Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

It would be a win for both sides if Trey Lance got a fresh start somewhere else. Seems kinda late to try and salvage his career. The odds of him stepping in and lighting up the NFL after so little playing time aren't good. IMO

Originally posted by Kolohe:
It would be a win for both sides if Trey Lance got a fresh start somewhere else. Seems kinda late to try and salvage his career. The odds of him stepping in and lighting up the NFL after so little playing time aren't good. IMO

He's only 22. There are QB's in this years draft class that are older than him. And it's not a win-win for both sides. It's only a win for Trey. 49ers have nothing to gain from trading him. They aren't getting much for him, and the dead cap is higher than his cap. So they are not even saving money. It makes no sense. And even if it takes Trey 2 more years to reach his full potential it will still be a major fail if Brock ends up not being elite and and if Niners haven't gotten a SB in those 2 years. Because then they would have no SB and no future.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
It would be a win for both sides if Trey Lance got a fresh start somewhere else. Seems kinda late to try and salvage his career. The odds of him stepping in and lighting up the NFL after so little playing time aren't good. IMO

Dude is 22 years old. I think he has time. WTF?

Trey will be QB1 entering season. Brock will need time to recover to full strength. Darnold will be cut and replaced by the 7th round QB we draft...perhaps he will stick around the PS because given this teams luck we might just need if we make another deep playoff run. I never want to see Josh Johnson near the 49ers stadium again.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
It would be a win for both sides if Trey Lance got a fresh start somewhere else. Seems kinda late to try and salvage his career. The odds of him stepping in and lighting up the NFL after so little playing time aren't good. IMO

He's only 22. There are QB's in this years draft class that are older than him. And it's not a win-win for both sides. It's only a win for Trey. 49ers have nothing to gain from trading him. They aren't getting much for him, and the dead cap is higher than his cap. So they are not even saving money. It makes no sense. And even if it takes Trey 2 more years to reach his full potential it will still be a major fail if Brock ends up not being elite and and if Niners haven't gotten a SB in those 2 years. Because then they would have no SB and no future.

For one none of you know what the 9ers would get for him. Two, the salary cap can be manipulated and if traded before June 1st the 49ers would only lose $1.55 mil in cap space. The 49ers then could restructure CMC and create about $8 mil in cap space. And the trade is before June 1st there would be no dead cap in the future either.

Like I said the odds of Lance setting the world on fire after missing so much time and playing so little is slim to none or not great at all. Not to mention the expectations will be high because they of what was invested in him.

Cut our losses and move on.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Like I said the odds of Lance setting the world on fire after missing so much time and playing so little is slim to none or not great at all. Not to mention the expectations will be high because they of what was invested in him.

1) If the NFL professionals agree with you, they won't be offering much for Lance in a trade.

2) If the NFL professionals don't agree with you, the 49ers will not trade him because, well, the NFL professionals disagree with you, and as such, believe his odds of playing well are far from slim to none or not great at all.

There is no scenario, based on your outlook, where it makes sense for the 49ers to trade Lance. In scenario one, the 49ers trade Lance for pennies on the dollar. In scenario two, the 49ers trade away someone who NFL professionals believe has a future.

3) If he is traded the expectations are either a) high, because a lot was given up for him in a trade; b) low, because little was given up for him in a trade. Why would 3a occur if your outlook is accurate / shared by NFL professionals? Why would the 49ers choose 3b?

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yes it is, it just came out the other day that because of "likely to earn incentives", his cap his $5.1

https://overthecap.com/player/sam-darnold/6888

honestly, if you take emotions out of this, which you clearly have regarding Lance, the signing/ contract given to darnold is odd. We could of signed 3-4 vets with that money we gave darnold to just have him on the bench inactive every game? That just doesn't make much sense.

i think they're using him as motivation and insurance if Lance comes in this year and stinks up camp again. I hope he doesn't but they didn't sign darnold to that contract for fun.

The only one using emotion is you my dude. His GD cash is $3.5M which is all that matters.

3 or 4 vets HA .yeah I guess we could have signed some s**tty min vets last yr instead of Sudfield all the same.

they're using him as a QB that might have to play because no one can every stay healthy. They will roster 3 QBs this yr, like they have for years. They can do that because the two other QBs are on rookie deals…so yeah they can play Sam league avg backup cash. His contract proves nothing.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Right, only $3.5M is guaranteee but still locks up $5.1M of the cap this year. Which is a lot when you only have a few mil to spend. Limits what we can do regarding signings if people get injured outside of qb.

which coincidentally, is the exact amount we would save in a post June 1 trade of Lance…

I see it differently. It's guarding against Brock injury being more serious than they are hoping. Having Lance and Darnold there just in case would be a smarter bet than Darnold and some rook or other cheap vet.

He seems to no understanding that they can cut Sam tomorrow and its only a $3.5M cap hit. I agree, you can't ride into all the off season camps with Lance coming off a broken ankle and nothing else. They don't know how long Brock will be hurt. Clearly.

one of the dumbest takes in here is we're done with Lance because we signed one of the worst starting QBs in the league who can earn some cash if he doesn't play like he has his whole career….and he's got the nerve to say I'm emotional about it 😂

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Like I said the odds of Lance setting the world on fire after missing so much time and playing so little is slim to none or not great at all. Not to mention the expectations will be high because they of what was invested in him.

1) If the NFL professionals agree with you, they won't be offering much for Lance in a trade.

2) If the NFL professionals don't agree with you, the 49ers will not trade him because, well, the NFL professionals disagree with you, and as such, believe his odds of playing well are far from slim to none or not great at all.

There is no scenario, based on your outlook, where it makes sense for the 49ers to trade Lance. In scenario one, the 49ers trade Lance for pennies on the dollar. In scenario two, the 49ers trade away someone who NFL professionals believe has a future.

3) If he is traded the expectations are either a) high, because a lot was given up for him in a trade; b) low, because little was given up for him in a trade. Why would 3a occur if your outlook is accurate / shared by NFL professionals? Why would the 49ers choose 3b?

I generally agree with you but also think it's worth acknowledging that "NFL professionals" don't think as a singular, collective unit. It only takes one buyer to make a sale, and it only takes two buyers to make a bidding war.

SF has more information on Lance than any other organization in the league. They also have different needs and priorities than any other organization in the league. It's not unreasonable to think SF could reach a point where they are ready to move on due to many factors, including Purdy's presence, while some team(s) might be sold on Lance's potential.

These guys saw Lynch's comments and started calling it immediately. This was before Darnold was signed too.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
For one none of you know what the 9ers would get for him. Two, the salary cap can be manipulated and if traded before June 1st the 49ers would only lose $1.55 mil in cap space. The 49ers then could restructure CMC and create about $8 mil in cap space. And the trade is before June 1st there would be no dead cap in the future either.

Like I said the odds of Lance setting the world on fire after missing so much time and playing so little is slim to none or not great at all. Not to mention the expectations will be high because they of what was invested in him.

Cut our losses and move on.

You kind of just proven my point. You are giving away a guy you traded 3 1st RD picks for and actually lose cap space. How does that make any sense?

The only way the Niners trade him is if a team offers them enough to the point where John and Kyle are willing to take the cap hit and also the risk of him being great. Atleast that's what a GM and coach with half a brain would do. Maybe I am giving John and Kyle too much credit but I hope not.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
For one none of you know what the 9ers would get for him. Two, the salary cap can be manipulated and if traded before June 1st the 49ers would only lose $1.55 mil in cap space. The 49ers then could restructure CMC and create about $8 mil in cap space. And the trade is before June 1st there would be no dead cap in the future either.

Like I said the odds of Lance setting the world on fire after missing so much time and playing so little is slim to none or not great at all. Not to mention the expectations will be high because they of what was invested in him.

Cut our losses and move on.

You kind of just proven my point. You are giving away a guy you traded 3 1st RD picks for and actually lose cap space. How does that make any sense?

The only way the Niners trade him is if a team offers them enough to the point where John and Kyle are willing to take the cap hit and also the risk of him being great. Atleast that's what a GM and coach with half a brain would do. Maybe I am giving John and Kyle too much credit but I hope not.

Exactly. It's an utterly stupid idea unless the compensation is disproportionate.

I'm looking forward to Trey backing up Kyle Juszczyk this year!

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm looking forward to Trey backing up Kyle Juszczyk this year!

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm looking forward to Trey backing up Kyle Juszczyk this year!

I'm looking forward to him juking safeties like he did last year and then Jimmy stans saying he has no quickness because they're still bitter he was drafted with the aim of replacing Jimmy.