Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm looking forward to Trey backing up Kyle Juszczyk this year!

I'm looking forward to him juking safeties like he did last year and then Jimmy stans saying he has no quickness because they're still bitter he was drafted with the aim of replacing Jimmy.

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That tub of popcorn must have cost about $15. $25 if it's at a sports event.

49eraithful6's face when he sees Trey juke a safety after claiming he couldn't juke a linebacker? Priceless.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm looking forward to Trey backing up Kyle Juszczyk this year!

I'm looking forward to him juking safeties like he did last year and then Jimmy stans saying he has no quickness because they're still bitter he was drafted with the aim of replacing Jimmy.

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That tub of popcorn must have cost about $15. $25 if it's at a sports event.

49eraithful6's face when he sees Trey juke a safety after claiming he couldn't juke a linebacker? Priceless.

I mean, who doesn't want a QB who can juke a S? LOL

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Team has $3M in cap room, by trading him they lose $1.55M-$2M in cap room, not happening, not now anyway, and he looks improved, I know it's just one video, but he looks better, almost Mahomes-ish.

Exactly (with respect to the cap; not saying he looks Mahomes-ish, which to me is ridiculous). What follows is not directed at you; just the people who don't seem to understand what you're saying (unless I'm completely mistaken which is possible).

His salary doesn't go away. We get a couple million WORSE in cap room (his cost goes from 9 million to 11 million, as pointed out by AB81Rules), and then we also have to replace him. It isn't 9 million minus 11 million, like some people seem to think. His cap hit for not being here will be 11 million. Look at over the cap 49ers cap calculator. When something is in parentheses, that means it's negative (why in the world they didn't just use a negative sign is beyond me, but apparently accountants don't understand what negative numbers are because they seem to confuse it with a subtraction operation, even though subtraction is a binary operation which requires TWO numbers to work.../endrant). That's why when you do a pre-June 1st trade and submit, his cap number doesn't go from 9ish million to 2ish million, it goes from 9ish million to 11ish million. Because it's in parenthesis, because you can't undo guaranteed bonus money. We LOSE cap space by trading him before June 1st, if I understand this correctly. There is no saving money in that situation. We're paying his full 9ish million cap hit he has now PLUS an extra 2ish million, while still having to replace him, if we trade him before June 1st. $11,081,912 is his cap number if we trade him pre-June 1st. Not 2 million. Not 9 million. Not 11 million minus 9 million. 11 million.

If we wait until June 1st, his cap number is his current cap number $9,301,434 minus $3,760,478 (his non-bonus salary), which will make him count $5,540,956 against are cap.

We. Are. Not. Trading. Lance. At least not until after June 1st (which is still highly unlikely) or next year.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They'd probably see big strong arm Trey as a good replacement too. They made a mistake valuing physical over mental. Same thing Trey fans are doing

Or they saw a guy who wasn't accurate with a limited physical skillset who they didn't trust to be the guy. The mental part developed once he got with Sean Payton. It wasn't "Always There". It had to be brought out.

Chargers saw a small QB with limited arm strength and thought he couldn't be great. They were wrong

Did Payton get it out of his boy Taysom Hill? You either have it or you don't

Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers... all of them should receive the "doesn't have it" label if you base all your opinions about player for their first year.

And Trey has less than that.

Not at all. Lol if you watched them play early on, it was clear they had it and just needed some more in game experience to work out the kinks of learning the nfl game. Mahommes was blowing everyone away in practice his rookie year. Manning is manning, Rodgers did benefit a lot from sitting - he reworked his throwing motion and mechanics etc.

it is true that Lance has such a small sample size that we really don't know, can't make any concrete stances. We can only go off of the little we've seen from him and it hasn't been very good.

What gets me about him is the commentary from guys like kittle before last season began - it says that they don't have much faith in him.

idk if Lance will be any good. We will have to wait and see, but my preference would be to not see him play unless Purdy isn't fully recovered. Who knows what will happen.

Manning looked like doo doo his first year. No way it was "clear" he had it from watching him - he was the #1 overall pick so he was given the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to develop and get continued experience and then turned it around obv.

And with this roster we'll win games with Lance so I'd rather see him get more starts to get a better consistent look and if it's not good enough then can pull him mid-season for a 100% Brock.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Exactly (with respect to the cap; not saying he looks Mahomes-ish, which to me is ridiculous). What follows is not directed at you; just the people who don't seem to understand what you're saying (unless I'm completely mistaken which is possible).

His salary doesn't go away. We get a couple million WORSE in cap room (his cost goes from 9 million to 11 million, as pointed out by AB81Rules), and then we also have to replace him. It isn't 9 million minus 11 million, like some people seem to think. His cap hit for not being here will be 11 million. Look at over the cap 49ers cap calculator. When something is in parentheses, that means it's negative (why in the world they didn't just use a negative sign is beyond me, but apparently accountants don't understand what negative numbers are because they seem to confuse it with a subtraction operation, even though subtraction is a binary operation which requires TWO numbers to work.../endrant). That's why when you do a pre-June 1st trade and submit, his cap number doesn't go from 9ish million to 2ish million, it goes from 9ish million to 11ish million. Because it's in parenthesis, because you can't undo guaranteed bonus money. We LOSE cap space by trading him before June 1st, if I understand this correctly. There is no saving money in that situation. We're paying his full 9ish million cap hit he has now PLUS an extra 2ish million, while still having to replace him, if we trade him before June 1st. $11,081,912 is his cap number if we trade him pre-June 1st. Not 2 million. Not 9 million. Not 11 million minus 9 million. 11 million.

If we wait until June 1st, his cap number is his current cap number $9,301,434 minus $3,760,478 (his non-bonus salary), which will make him count $5,540,956 against are cap.

We. Are. Not. Trading. Lance. At least not until after June 1st (which is still highly unlikely) or next year.

We'd lose 1.8ish. Which is less than they lost by cutting Sudfeld last year

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
This.

That is my only fear as well. I want to get a good look at Lance before I'm willing to give Brock the keys long term. But if he is healthy and starts then we don't get a good look at Lance and he may get traded before we do.

God forbid Trey balls for another team and wins a SB before we do.

I'd be livid and be so pissed at Shanalynch. Would be unforgivable. They trade Lance he better suck or be mediocre on his next team.

Your fear is that Brock is so good, we don't have to worry about anyone else?

Lol. My fear is I win the lottery, and I'll miss out what poverty feels like. Lol.

We're cursed!

My fear is that Brock does not end up being elite and that we trade Lance before we get a better look at him and then he goes and becomes elite on another team.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
My fear is that Brock does not end up being elite and that we trade Lance before we get a better look at him and then he goes and becomes elite on another team.

We seen Brock play elite over the course of 8 games which equates to halfa season! We have yet to see Trey play to the status of the guy he was drafted to replace.

Originally posted by krizay:
We seen Brock play elite over the course of 8 games which equates to halfa season! We have yet to see Trey play to the status of the guy he was drafted to replace.

He wasn't elite he played very good

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Exactly (with respect to the cap; not saying he looks Mahomes-ish, which to me is ridiculous). What follows is not directed at you; just the people who don't seem to understand what you're saying (unless I'm completely mistaken which is possible).

His salary doesn't go away. We get a couple million WORSE in cap room (his cost goes from 9 million to 11 million, as pointed out by AB81Rules), and then we also have to replace him. It isn't 9 million minus 11 million, like some people seem to think. His cap hit for not being here will be 11 million. Look at over the cap 49ers cap calculator. When something is in parentheses, that means it's negative (why in the world they didn't just use a negative sign is beyond me, but apparently accountants don't understand what negative numbers are because they seem to confuse it with a subtraction operation, even though subtraction is a binary operation which requires TWO numbers to work.../endrant). That's why when you do a pre-June 1st trade and submit, his cap number doesn't go from 9ish million to 2ish million, it goes from 9ish million to 11ish million. Because it's in parenthesis, because you can't undo guaranteed bonus money. We LOSE cap space by trading him before June 1st, if I understand this correctly. There is no saving money in that situation. We're paying his full 9ish million cap hit he has now PLUS an extra 2ish million, while still having to replace him, if we trade him before June 1st. $11,081,912 is his cap number if we trade him pre-June 1st. Not 2 million. Not 9 million. Not 11 million minus 9 million. 11 million.

If we wait until June 1st, his cap number is his current cap number $9,301,434 minus $3,760,478 (his non-bonus salary), which will make him count $5,540,956 against are cap.

We. Are. Not. Trading. Lance. At least not until after June 1st (which is still highly unlikely) or next year.

We'd lose 1.8ish. Which is less than they lost by cutting Sudfeld last year

We lose 1.8ish. Which puts us somewhere between less than 1 million and less than zero cap space, depending on which site you use. And then we have to pay several million to get someone as good or better than him. I'm sorry. It's not happening. It seems you're still in the denial stage, or maybe the bargaining stage. But you need to get through that and work through your grief at the fact that Trey is going to be on this team in 2023.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
He wasn't elite he played very good

He was top 5 or had our offense top 5 in damn near every statistic.

People clamoring for a top 5 QB. We had one play top 5 and people don't even realize.

Makes me think they only want top 5 QB in terms of physical attributes.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
We lose 1.8ish. Which puts us somewhere between less than 1 million and less than zero cap space, depending on which site you use. And then we have to pay several million to get someone as good or better than him. I'm sorry. It's not happening. It seems you're still in the denial stage, or maybe the bargaining stage. But you need to get through that and work through your grief at the fact that Trey is going to be on this team in 2023.

No was just correcting your misinformation of it being 11 million. You even quoted the guy who broke it down and still got it wrong.

I could give 2 s**ts if Trey is on the team or not. So long as Brock is QB1 when he's healthy.

Unless of course Trey magically becomes Charlie Bucket and busts through that glass ceiling

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They'd probably see big strong arm Trey as a good replacement too. They made a mistake valuing physical over mental. Same thing Trey fans are doing

Or they saw a guy who wasn't accurate with a limited physical skillset who they didn't trust to be the guy. The mental part developed once he got with Sean Payton. It wasn't "Always There". It had to be brought out.

Chargers saw a small QB with limited arm strength and thought he couldn't be great. They were wrong

Did Payton get it out of his boy Taysom Hill? You either have it or you don't

Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers... all of them should receive the "doesn't have it" label if you base all your opinions about player for their first year.

And Trey has less than that.

Not at all. Lol if you watched them play early on, it was clear they had it and just needed some more in game experience to work out the kinks of learning the nfl game. Mahommes was blowing everyone away in practice his rookie year. Manning is manning, Rodgers did benefit a lot from sitting - he reworked his throwing motion and mechanics etc.

it is true that Lance has such a small sample size that we really don't know, can't make any concrete stances. We can only go off of the little we've seen from him and it hasn't been very good.

What gets me about him is the commentary from guys like kittle before last season began - it says that they don't have much faith in him.

idk if Lance will be any good. We will have to wait and see, but my preference would be to not see him play unless Purdy isn't fully recovered. Who knows what will happen.

Manning looked like doo doo his first year. No way it was "clear" he had it from watching him - he was the #1 overall pick so he was given the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to develop and get continued experience and then turned it around obv.

And with this roster we'll win games with Lance so I'd rather see him get more starts to get a better consistent look and if it's not good enough then can pull him mid-season for a 100% Brock.

Lmao manning looked like crap his first year but Lance has looked good to you in his few starts? Lol alright

i thought we could beat the god awful bears with one of the best rosters but… rain in the fourth quarter got too heavy. :/ that was the problem and not the other 3.5 quarters where we put up 3 pts.

It'll suck if Purdy misses half the season because that'll mean his injury didn't heal right. Whatever games, if any, that Purdy isn't available - I hope we win and who ever is playing looks great. I'd Still want to see Purdy back in as soon as he's healthy.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
He wasn't elite he played very good

He was top 5 or had our offense top 5 in damn near every statistic.

People clamoring for a top 5 QB. We had one play top 5 and people don't even realize.

Makes me think they only want top 5 QB in terms of physical attributes.

If the offense and Brock didn't play at an elite level during that stretch, then what the hell is. No losses (until he couldn't play), 33+ pts a game, top 5 in nearly all offensive catagories, no interceptions in the playoffs, better than 4-1 TD-INT ratio, set numerous rookie records. Lol

I really don't understand some folks. Purdy isn't elite because that requires consistency, but at least he's shown he can play at that level for at least 7-8 games. I want to see how far that goes before we go back to trying someone who's operated the offense at a 14 ppg average.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They'd probably see big strong arm Trey as a good replacement too. They made a mistake valuing physical over mental. Same thing Trey fans are doing

Or they saw a guy who wasn't accurate with a limited physical skillset who they didn't trust to be the guy. The mental part developed once he got with Sean Payton. It wasn't "Always There". It had to be brought out.

Chargers saw a small QB with limited arm strength and thought he couldn't be great. They were wrong

Did Payton get it out of his boy Taysom Hill? You either have it or you don't

Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers... all of them should receive the "doesn't have it" label if you base all your opinions about player for their first year.

And Trey has less than that.

Not at all. Lol if you watched them play early on, it was clear they had it and just needed some more in game experience to work out the kinks of learning the nfl game. Mahommes was blowing everyone away in practice his rookie year. Manning is manning, Rodgers did benefit a lot from sitting - he reworked his throwing motion and mechanics etc.

it is true that Lance has such a small sample size that we really don't know, can't make any concrete stances. We can only go off of the little we've seen from him and it hasn't been very good.

What gets me about him is the commentary from guys like kittle before last season began - it says that they don't have much faith in him.

idk if Lance will be any good. We will have to wait and see, but my preference would be to not see him play unless Purdy isn't fully recovered. Who knows what will happen.

Manning looked like doo doo his first year. No way it was "clear" he had it from watching him - he was the #1 overall pick so he was given the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to develop and get continued experience and then turned it around obv.

And with this roster we'll win games with Lance so I'd rather see him get more starts to get a better consistent look and if it's not good enough then can pull him mid-season for a 100% Brock.

Lmao manning looked like crap his first year but Lance has looked good to you in his few starts? Lol alright

i thought we could beat the god awful bears with one of the best rosters but… rain in the fourth quarter got too heavy. :/ that was the problem and not the other 3.5 quarters where we put up 3 pts.

It'll suck if Purdy misses half the season because that'll mean his injury didn't heal right. Whatever games, if any, that Purdy isn't available - I hope we win and who ever is playing looks great. I'd Still want to see Purdy back in as soon as he's healthy.

Lance has not had enough starts to assess one way or the other. I liked what I saw yeah for being his first starts as a raw prospect.

I was at the Chicago game you have no ****ing clue how wet that game was and not for just half a quarter. It was way worse than the Redskins game in the rain where Jimmy put up three FGs and we won 9-0. That day SET RECORDS for the city of Chicago in terms of rain look it up. Only reason someone would judge Trey in a game like that is if they have a bias against him ie didn't like him already or weren't happy we drafted him etc. Just makes no effing sense. The game to assess would have been the following game in normal weather and unfortunately he got his leg broken in the first quarter. So there is not enough film to make any kind of definitive judgment either way.

Manning looked bad his first year no doubt and played the whole season. But his pedigree and background and projection to be elite and it didn't get harped on too much as he needed to develop and get more reps and once he did he became elite. Trey barely has any reps so there shouldn't be an urgency from people to come to conclusions and most that are doing so either don't prefer his play style and/or never liked him to start with and didn't want us to draft him. Trey might end up a bust but it's not going to be because of how he played in his first three starts for the 49ers and one you can completely throw out due to weather. I want to see consistent suckage for at least 8 straight starts before I'm willing to move on from him and be comfortable with it.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

He wasn't elite he played very good

He was top 5 or had our offense top 5 in damn near every statistic.

People clamoring for a top 5 QB. We had one play top 5 and people don't even realize.

Makes me think they only want top 5 QB in terms of physical attributes.

If the offense and Brock didn't play at an elite level during that stretch, then what the hell is. No losses (until he couldn't play), 33+ pts a game, top 5 in nearly all offensive catagories, no interceptions in the playoffs, better than 4-1 TD-INT ratio, set numerous rookie records. Lol

I really don't understand some folks. Purdy isn't elite because that requires consistency, but at least he's shown he can play at that level for at least 7-8 games. I want to see how far that goes before we go back to trying someone who's operated the offense at a 14 ppg average.

Its like these guys would see more potential in Fred Warner if he were part of the QB competition. I'll take the quarterback over the athlete