Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Cowboys game was impressive. Every great QB there's ever been has won playoff games like that. Using it as a reason to bring him down is pathetically desperate.

Do you think we will have the worst roster and coach in a couple years? Kap took over a sinking ship, hopefully that is not us

Kap got figured out before the ship sunk.

The stuff Brock was doing was within the offense so its likely to be more sustainable but it's still a short sample. Jimmy was an even smaller sample. I'd just rather have it given time before a final decision gets made.

Just because most people think this was the case, doesnt mean it was.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Anytime a mobile QB doesn't pan out the narrative is always he got figured out, but yea the organization was in steep decline as soon as he took over. That's why I don't see the comparisons to Kap. Not to Jimmy either, because Jimmy wasn't really running Kyles offense in his first starts with us

Kap did get figured out. He couldn't process what he was seeing quickly enough. It wasn't all his fault because the offensive brain trust under Harbaugh was crap and the passing x's and o's were god awful but he still couldn't process quickly enough.

Committed to Jimmy on a 5 game sample regardless of the circumstances. That is too quick. We paid for it by overpaying for him. Don't want to see the same mistake made again.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

They are going to give time to make sure lol. Doesn't mean they have to hold onto a player that they don't see having a future

I don't know how anyone can come to the conclusion any player doesn't have a future based on such a small sample. Including the 9ers brain trust.

They know if he'll be worth keeping when his contract is up. That's all that matters to us. They're going for a SB, which means they are going with Brock, which also means Trey will not develop, which means he won't get resigned here, which means they should probably trade him and get something instead of nothing

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They know if he'll be worth keeping when his contract is up. That's all that matters to us. They're going for a SB, which means they are going with Brock, which also means Trey will not develop, which means he won't get resigned here, which means they should probably trade him and get something instead of nothing

Then trade him during the season at the deadline when you are confident Brock is good to go for the season and is showing no ill effects.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Anytime a mobile QB doesn't pan out the narrative is always he got figured out, but yea the organization was in steep decline as soon as he took over. That's why I don't see the comparisons to Kap. Not to Jimmy either, because Jimmy wasn't really running Kyles offense in his first starts with us

Kap did get figured out. He couldn't process what he was seeing quickly enough. It wasn't all his fault because the offensive brain trust under Harbaugh was crap and the passing x's and o's were god awful but he still couldn't process quickly enough.

Committed to Jimmy on a 5 game sample regardless of the circumstances. That is too quick. We paid for it by overpaying for him. Don't want to see the same mistake made again.

That was something he needed to develop from the start. It wasn't anything anyone figured out. What happened was we lost talent and at the same time tried take him away from his strengths. Guys like Allen and Hurts were played to their strengths while their offenses got better around them. We did exactly the opposite with Kap lol.

Again that is not the same situation as Brock. And we have years to see Brock before we pay him, so we're good with another Jimmy situation too

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
That was something he needed to develop from the start. It wasn't anything anyone figured out. What happened was we lost talent and at the same time tried take him away from his strengths. Guys like Allen and Hurts were played to their strengths while their offenses got better around them. We did exactly the opposite with Kap lol.

Again that is not the same situation as Brock. And we have years to see Brock before we pay him, so we're good with another Jimmy situation too

Defenses figured him out. Couldn't just run the pistol option and had to win from the pocket.

We have years to pay Brock, so why not keep him competing to be the guy until he has a large enough sample to prove it without a doubt?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

That was something he needed to develop from the start. It wasn't anything anyone figured out. What happened was we lost talent and at the same time tried take him away from his strengths. Guys like Allen and Hurts were played to their strengths while their offenses got better around them. We did exactly the opposite with Kap lol.

Again that is not the same situation as Brock. And we have years to see Brock before we pay him, so we're good with another Jimmy situation too

Defenses figured him out. Couldn't just run the pistol option and had to win from the pocket.

We have years to pay Brock, so why not keep him competing to be the guy until he has a large enough sample to prove it without a doubt?

If Hurts and Allen went through the same I wouldn't say they were figured out, more like they never had a chance to figure it out. That's besides the point though. The point is the situation is night and day compared to Brock's. That you can't deny

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

They know if he'll be worth keeping when his contract is up. That's all that matters to us. They're going for a SB, which means they are going with Brock, which also means Trey will not develop, which means he won't get resigned here, which means they should probably trade him and get something instead of nothing

Then trade him during the season at the deadline when you are confident Brock is good to go for the season and is showing no ill effects.

I don't think you get it lol they don't think Trey is going to help if Brock's not ready. Brock's status doesn't matter, they will get rid of him if they get what they're asking for

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
That was something he needed to develop from the start. It wasn't anything anyone figured out. What happened was we lost talent and at the same time tried take him away from his strengths. Guys like Allen and Hurts were played to their strengths while their offenses got better around them. We did exactly the opposite with Kap lol.

Again that is not the same situation as Brock. And we have years to see Brock before we pay him, so we're good with another Jimmy situation too

Defenses figured him out. Couldn't just run the pistol option and had to win from the pocket.

We have years to pay Brock, so why not keep him competing to be the guy until he has a large enough sample to prove it without a doubt?

So why are teams/QBs still using the pistol and/or read option today? That kind of football was figured out in 2014 right? Seems silly teams are using a style of offense that defenses figured out nearly a decade ago.

Its almost as if, the narrative is total nonsense....yet here we are.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

That was something he needed to develop from the start. It wasn't anything anyone figured out. What happened was we lost talent and at the same time tried take him away from his strengths. Guys like Allen and Hurts were played to their strengths while their offenses got better around them. We did exactly the opposite with Kap lol.

Again that is not the same situation as Brock. And we have years to see Brock before we pay him, so we're good with another Jimmy situation too

Defenses figured him out. Couldn't just run the pistol option and had to win from the pocket.

We have years to pay Brock, so why not keep him competing to be the guy until he has a large enough sample to prove it without a doubt?

So why are teams/QBs still using the pistol and/or read option today? That kind of football was figured out in 2014 right? Seems silly teams are using a style of offense that defenses figured out nearly a decade ago.

Its almost as if, the narrative is total nonsense....yet here we are.

The funniest part is he was at his best when we actually let loose with that offense in the playoffs

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I don't think you get it lol they don't think Trey is going to help if Brock's not ready. Brock's status doesn't matter, they will get rid of him if they get what they're asking for

Because they signed Sam Darnold? Just decided well Trey can't help us if Brock is out but this guy who has been terrible for the majority of his career is the right answer.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Sure hope that's the case. I really hoping that Lance balls out. Guess I'm hoping for a good 'ol QB controversy, because that would mean we're finally getting good, consistent QB play.

His source is a Twitter handle with like 6.5K followers and they're following almost as many…it's the same stuff as all the other compilers on Twitter. they copy and paste s**t then add in some made up "rumors" followed by "per source" for clicks/retweets/follows…hoping that idiots like Larry make a 20 min video talking about it 😂

I don't doubt they'd trade any player on this roster if the compensation is stupid good. They'd trade Brock right now if they compensation was worth it.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They are going to give time to make sure lol. Doesn't mean they have to hold onto a player that they don't see having a future

It's very premature if they move him now. They don't know what they have yet and he's only played in 4 games. If they were expecting him to come right out the gate and be lights out then they seriously misjudged on Lance. They should've known it was gonna take some time for him with his limited experience. Why draft the guy if you're just gonna give up on him right away?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
A 107 passer rating is elite, #1 in the NFL last year I believe.

He was top 10 in lots of statistical categories.

Calling his play anythjng but elite is silly.

What does a passer rating track? How is it calculated? I'm just curious how they come up with that number….

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�=(TDATT)×20

�=2.375−(INTATT×25)

where

ATT = Number of passing attemptsCMP = Number of completionsYDS = Passing yardsTD = Touchdown passesINT = InterceptionsIf the result of any calculation is greater than 2.375, it is set to 2.375. If the result is a negative number, it is set to zero.

Then, the above calculations are used to complete the passer rating:

Passer Rating=(�+�+�+�6)×100

QB rating actually has a formula you can find unlike the stupid ESPN QBR which is apparently a big secret.

But QB rating has been proven to be a hollow stat that like any other stat can be misleading. Just look at the Pats/Falcons SB where Matt Ryan had a QB rating nearly 50 points higher than Tom Brady.

I think we all know which QB was better that day.

So while a high QB Rating is nice it shouldn't be used as definitive stat on who played better like any other stat.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
So why are teams/QBs still using the pistol and/or read option today? That kind of football was figured out in 2014 right? Seems silly teams are using a style of offense that defenses figured out nearly a decade ago.

Its almost as if, the narrative is total nonsense....yet here we are.

Because QB's like Hurts can hurt teams more consistently with his arm from the pocket. Didn't say teams figured out the read option, just Kap himself. Lots of factors went into it but he never took the next step into developing the mental side needed. If you wanna blame that on the team or the coaches fine but it is what it is.

The point of bringing him up is we thought we had a franchise guy with him. Thought we had it with Jimmy. I wanna see more of Brock before I decide we have it with him. Handing Sam Darnold the week 1 start before he's even taken a training camp snap with this offense makes zero sense.