Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They didn't think he would be the project he is.
They have a QB they can win a SB with, and Trey is so far behind there's just no point now. They aren't going to extend him based on hope. Might as well get what you can while you can
Originally posted by CharlieSheen: The only people with a good idea of where he's at are within the organization.
Basing my opinion off their actions/comments from the players
Sorry. I call BS on that.
Those type of comments are expected. They have let things slip that tell me they aren't sure about him.
Again, what are these comments you're hearing from the players? The only one I saw you posted was the one that Kittle said Trey just doesn't have to mess things up (or something like that). This is your whole basis for saying the players don't like him? It's quite a stretch.
Now you're saying the team wants to trade him, but in reality, that report was from a rumor page with 5000 subs. That page is far from being credible, yet you're convinced its true.
I don't find either of these opinions very objective at all. That's my issue with your recent posts.
I've been on record saying that if I was a betting man that I would assume Purdy is our future. I want the best QB possible, whether that's Purdy or Lance is irrelevant to me. I also have no problem with people not believing in Lance or believing that Lance needs to essentially put up or shut up. He absolutely does at this point.
But you continue to post extremely subjective comments and you act as if they're objective facts. For example:
"They didn't think he would be the project he is."
"And judging by their actions, he's more green than they thought he would be"
"Trey is so far behind there's just no point now."
"They're going for a SB, which means they are going with Brock, which also means Trey will not develop, which means he won't get resigned here, which means they should probably trade him and get something instead of nothing"
"they don't think Trey is going to help if Brock's not ready. Brock's status doesn't matter, they will get rid of him if they get what they're asking for"
I really don't get the pushback on a 22 year old player that's completed 3 games. Having a strong opinion about him one way or the other shows bias IMO. I've repeatedly argued that Trey is and should be treated like an unknown. I argued he should not be considered an upgrade to Jimmy or a downgrade to Purdy until he has a chance to play more. That's the most rational perspective IMO.
I said they were looking to trade him before that dumb twitter post. If you were excited to play with a guy and thought he was going to ball out, you wouldn't say the things Bosa and Kittle said. I know the Chiefs players weren't like "Yea luckily he's in a good situation so if he doesn't f**k up we should be good", when Mahomes came in. These guys struggle to hype him up beyond his upside and say things that just make me scratch my head.
Again, do you have links to these comments? What are you basing your opinion that they will trade Lance on?
Patrick Mahomes had over 1000 more passing attempts than Lance did in college. It's almost as if you need to play to get better.
No, he doesnt have links to any of these comments. He is basing his opinion that they will trade Lance off of his biases and hope to be correct.
+ Show all quotes It's not worth linking all the comments. We would go down another rabbit hole of everyone demanding explanation of each comment. Then you guys wouldn't agree anyways so like I said not worth it
You need to understand how saying stuff like this comes off. Its basically admitting you dont have what you are claiming to.
On a related note....you realize that "you guys" are people who simply think Trey is an unknown, not people who are Trey homers, right? Its funny you keep trying to make this about Brock vs Trey fans....but the "Trey fans" are simply people like me who would like to see him play before we make definitive statements about him.
Moving on.
No we would go down a rabbit hole that I don't care to go down but believe what you want.
Why bother posting at all then? Basically you are saying is it is ok to make claims and not back them up because you dont want to have a discussion about it. Just a ridiculous position to have on a message board, but you do you Charlie.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I almost forgot that the niners made a call for rodgers right before drafting Lance. They just never were 100% all in on him IMO
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I almost forgot that the niners made a call for rodgers right before drafting Lance. They just never were 100% all in on him IMO
They woulda taken rodgers over any rookie qb
Yea
I have got a first ballot HOFER fresh off an NFL MVP campaign vs a one year college FCS starter that's one year removed from that as a 20yr old. Hmm
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I almost forgot that the niners made a call for rodgers right before drafting Lance. They just never were 100% all in on him IMO
They woulda taken rodgers over any rookie qb
Yea
I have got a first ballot HOFER fresh off an NFL MVP campaign vs a one year college FCS starter that's one year removed from that as a 20yr old. Hmm
Which to pick what to pick?
I have to agree with this. Only player they MAYBE draft over Rodgers at the time was Lawrence, and even that's a big maybe. Just because Lawrence was considered a generational prospect and because of Rodgers age.
if the choice was between Mac Jones, Trey, Fields, and Aaron Rodgers coming off an MVP season - choosing anything but Rodgers would of been dumb. Even the packers chose Rodgers over any of those three. Hahaha
[ Edited by tankle104 on Apr 11, 2023 at 2:14 AM ]
They have a QB they can win a SB with, and Trey is so far behind there's just no point now. They aren't going to extend him based on hope. Might as well get what you can while you can
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The only people with a good idea of where he's at are within the organization.
Basing my opinion off their actions/comments from the players
Sorry. I call BS on that.
Those type of comments are expected. They have let things slip that tell me they aren't sure about him.
Again, what are these comments you're hearing from the players? The only one I saw you posted was the one that Kittle said Trey just doesn't have to mess things up (or something like that). This is your whole basis for saying the players don't like him? It's quite a stretch.
Now you're saying the team wants to trade him, but in reality, that report was from a rumor page with 5000 subs. That page is far from being credible, yet you're convinced its true.
I don't find either of these opinions very objective at all. That's my issue with your recent posts.
I've been on record saying that if I was a betting man that I would assume Purdy is our future. I want the best QB possible, whether that's Purdy or Lance is irrelevant to me. I also have no problem with people not believing in Lance or believing that Lance needs to essentially put up or shut up. He absolutely does at this point.
But you continue to post extremely subjective comments and you act as if they're objective facts. For example:
"They didn't think he would be the project he is."
"And judging by their actions, he's more green than they thought he would be"
"Trey is so far behind there's just no point now."
"They're going for a SB, which means they are going with Brock, which also means Trey will not develop, which means he won't get resigned here, which means they should probably trade him and get something instead of nothing"
"they don't think Trey is going to help if Brock's not ready. Brock's status doesn't matter, they will get rid of him if they get what they're asking for"
I really don't get the pushback on a 22 year old player that's completed 3 games. Having a strong opinion about him one way or the other shows bias IMO. I've repeatedly argued that Trey is and should be treated like an unknown. I argued he should not be considered an upgrade to Jimmy or a downgrade to Purdy until he has a chance to play more. That's the most rational perspective IMO.
I said they were looking to trade him before that dumb twitter post. If you were excited to play with a guy and thought he was going to ball out, you wouldn't say the things Bosa and Kittle said. I know the Chiefs players weren't like "Yea luckily he's in a good situation so if he doesn't f**k up we should be good", when Mahomes came in. These guys struggle to hype him up beyond his upside and say things that just make me scratch my head.
Again, do you have links to these comments? What are you basing your opinion that they will trade Lance on?
Patrick Mahomes had over 1000 more passing attempts than Lance did in college. It's almost as if you need to play to get better.
No, he doesnt have links to any of these comments. He is basing his opinion that they will trade Lance off of his biases and hope to be correct.
It's not worth linking all the comments. We would go down another rabbit hole of everyone demanding explanation of each comment. Then you guys wouldn't agree anyways so like I said not worth it
+ Show all quotes
You need to understand how saying stuff like this comes off. Its basically admitting you dont have what you are claiming to.
On a related note....you realize that "you guys" are people who simply think Trey is an unknown, not people who are Trey homers, right? Its funny you keep trying to make this about Brock vs Trey fans....but the "Trey fans" are simply people like me who would like to see him play before we make definitive statements about him.
Moving on.
No we would go down a rabbit hole that I don't care to go down but believe what you want.
Why bother posting at all then? Basically you are saying is it is ok to make claims and not back them up because you dont want to have a discussion about it. Just a ridiculous position to have on a message board, but you do you Charlie.
I'm not going to go through the trouble of finding all the links and explaining it all when you guys are just going blow it all off anyways. It's truly a waste
From the beginning of the offseason I started calling it that Treys development will not work here. I knew it because of the comments I've read (along with a few other things). Even comments like "He's getting better, I can see it!"……..at the time told me they aren't completely confident in him yet, but after Brock it told me Treys not going to cut it anymore.
I knew these players/coaches wouldn't want to keep investing their future and living on the hope that Trey will keep getting better, when he has a mountain to climb and likely won't become elite. There isn't even a guarantee he's going to be good, so at this point why keep moving forward with him? Draft status isn't enough
[ Edited by CharlieSheen on Apr 11, 2023 at 2:18 AM ]
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I'm not going to go through the trouble of finding all the links and explaining it all when you guys are just going blow it all off anyways. It's truly a waste
From the beginning of the offseason I started calling it that Treys development will not work here. I knew it because of the comments I've read (along with a few other things). Even comments like "He's getting better, I can see it!"……..at the time told me they aren't completely confident in him yet, but after Brock it told me Treys not going to cut it anymore.
I knew these players/coaches wouldn't want to keep investing their future and living on the hope that Trey will keep getting better, when he has a mountain to climb and likely won't become elite. There isn't even a guarantee he's going to be good, so at this point why keep moving forward with him? Draft status isn't enough
Trey just needs to hang loose and wait for his opportunity.
If they aren't able to trade him he'll get his shot, but we have one year to decide on Trey and I think they've determined that won't be enough for him. Bringing on Darnold shows where they think Trey is at. It seems like they've moved on outside of Trey completely shocking them if he's still around
[ Edited by CharlieSheen on Apr 11, 2023 at 3:32 AM ]
Originally posted by mayo49:
Trey just needs to hang loose and wait for his opportunity.
If they aren't able to trade him he'll get his shot, but we have one year to decide on Trey and I think they've determined that won't be enough for him. Bringing on Darnold shows where they think Trey is at. It seems like they've moved on outside of Trey completely shocking them if he's still around
Pending, unforseen events, your probably right. It'll be, Dirty and Darnold, backing him up, going foward in a year or two - once, Trey finds a new home.
