Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Lol basically no one knows…"not my problem"

"Hes not a running back, he's a quarterback!!"

is he sure about that?

I truly think Shanahan ran the offense that way with Trey because he did not trust trey at the time. It's possible that he wanted to ease him in (unlike brock). But clearly he didn't think trey was capable of running the full offense.

Idk if Kyle ran that style of offense because he didn't trust Lance's accuracy/ability to operate the full offense or if it was because Lance flat out couldn't at the time, but if Lance plays, I'd like to see him run the normal offense that we do with Brock/Jimmy and see how Lance looks.

if he's able to consistently be accurate and hit the right plays, his running ability can become a huge factor in the game that doesn't need to be forced. It would also limit how he gets hit.

since kyle is smarter than I at designing an offense and what would be most efficient, Which makes my comment above common sense, I have to believe it's because Lance was struggling to do that in camp and that forced Kyle to call the offense that way. I really hope he turns that Around this off-season and changes that.

That would give him the best chance at operating the offense on a higher level and getting QB1. If he can't, he doesn't have a chance. That's my opinion.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

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Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They didn't think he would be the project he is.

They have a QB they can win a SB with, and Trey is so far behind there's just no point now. They aren't going to extend him based on hope. Might as well get what you can while you can

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The only people with a good idea of where he's at are within the organization.

Basing my opinion off their actions/comments from the players

Sorry. I call BS on that.

Those type of comments are expected. They have let things slip that tell me they aren't sure about him.

Again, what are these comments you're hearing from the players? The only one I saw you posted was the one that Kittle said Trey just doesn't have to mess things up (or something like that). This is your whole basis for saying the players don't like him? It's quite a stretch.

Now you're saying the team wants to trade him, but in reality, that report was from a rumor page with 5000 subs. That page is far from being credible, yet you're convinced its true.

I don't find either of these opinions very objective at all. That's my issue with your recent posts.

I've been on record saying that if I was a betting man that I would assume Purdy is our future. I want the best QB possible, whether that's Purdy or Lance is irrelevant to me. I also have no problem with people not believing in Lance or believing that Lance needs to essentially put up or shut up. He absolutely does at this point.

But you continue to post extremely subjective comments and you act as if they're objective facts. For example:

"They didn't think he would be the project he is."

"And judging by their actions, he's more green than they thought he would be"

"Trey is so far behind there's just no point now."

"They're going for a SB, which means they are going with Brock, which also means Trey will not develop, which means he won't get resigned here, which means they should probably trade him and get something instead of nothing"

"they don't think Trey is going to help if Brock's not ready. Brock's status doesn't matter, they will get rid of him if they get what they're asking for"

I really don't get the pushback on a 22 year old player that's completed 3 games. Having a strong opinion about him one way or the other shows bias IMO. I've repeatedly argued that Trey is and should be treated like an unknown. I argued he should not be considered an upgrade to Jimmy or a downgrade to Purdy until he has a chance to play more. That's the most rational perspective IMO.

I said they were looking to trade him before that dumb twitter post. If you were excited to play with a guy and thought he was going to ball out, you wouldn't say the things Bosa and Kittle said. I know the Chiefs players weren't like "Yea luckily he's in a good situation so if he doesn't f**k up we should be good", when Mahomes came in. These guys struggle to hype him up beyond his upside and say things that just make me scratch my head.

Again, do you have links to these comments? What are you basing your opinion that they will trade Lance on?

Patrick Mahomes had over 1000 more passing attempts than Lance did in college. It's almost as if you need to play to get better.

No, he doesnt have links to any of these comments. He is basing his opinion that they will trade Lance off of his biases and hope to be correct.

It's not worth linking all the comments. We would go down another rabbit hole of everyone demanding explanation of each comment. Then you guys wouldn't agree anyways so like I said not worth it

You need to understand how saying stuff like this comes off. Its basically admitting you dont have what you are claiming to.

On a related note....you realize that "you guys" are people who simply think Trey is an unknown, not people who are Trey homers, right? Its funny you keep trying to make this about Brock vs Trey fans....but the "Trey fans" are simply people like me who would like to see him play before we make definitive statements about him.

Moving on.

No we would go down a rabbit hole that I don't care to go down but believe what you want.

Why bother posting at all then? Basically you are saying is it is ok to make claims and not back them up because you dont want to have a discussion about it. Just a ridiculous position to have on a message board, but you do you Charlie.

I'm not going to go through the trouble of finding all the links and explaining it all when you guys are just going blow it all off anyways. It's truly a waste

From the beginning of the offseason I started calling it that Treys development will not work here. I knew it because of the comments I've read (along with a few other things). Even comments like "He's getting better, I can see it!"……..at the time told me they aren't completely confident in him yet, but after Brock it told me Treys not going to cut it anymore.

I knew these players/coaches wouldn't want to keep investing their future and living on the hope that Trey will keep getting better, when he has a mountain to climb and likely won't become elite. There isn't even a guarantee he's going to be good, so at this point why keep moving forward with him? Draft status isn't enough

If you had links to what you claim you have, then there would be no dismissing it or blowing it off. But you know you dont.

You are basically advertising to everyone that you possibly have some vague statements that you will twist to fit your narrative, and you know that people are going to disagree with (or you are making up these quotes entirely)....which is why you dont even want to post the links. We all see right through this dude.

22 going on 46

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean if Brock turns into Joe Burrow 2.0 then there's no stains imo. If he's anything but that or more similar to Jimmy G, then overall I see it more as a failure.. not so much for Brock…anything we get out of him is gravy imo.

Lance has that ceiling as a top 5 QB. Not sure Brock does (over the long haul) a couple games either way doesn't prove anything for either guy imo. End of the day I want and elite level QB for the long-term. If it's brock sweet. If it's Lance sweet. I do NOT want another Jimmy G situation…avg QB who can't stay on the field. We aren't gonna always have pro-bowlers at every position and paying a QB peanuts…one of these dudes needs to be a stud. They need to lift up the roster and help when we have to lose talent elsewhere.

How can Brock play at a top 5 level and not have a ceiling of a top 5 QB? as for Trey and his ceiling... It's best that I just don't comment

Does every QB that plays like a top 5 QB for any small stretch of time have the ceiling of a top 5 QB?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Does every QB that plays like a top 5 QB for any small stretch of time have the ceiling of a top 5 QB?

Is ceiling a real thing?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean if Brock turns into Joe Burrow 2.0 then there's no stains imo. If he's anything but that or more similar to Jimmy G, then overall I see it more as a failure.. not so much for Brock…anything we get out of him is gravy imo.

Lance has that ceiling as a top 5 QB. Not sure Brock does (over the long haul) a couple games either way doesn't prove anything for either guy imo. End of the day I want and elite level QB for the long-term. If it's brock sweet. If it's Lance sweet. I do NOT want another Jimmy G situation…avg QB who can't stay on the field. We aren't gonna always have pro-bowlers at every position and paying a QB peanuts…one of these dudes needs to be a stud. They need to lift up the roster and help when we have to lose talent elsewhere.

How can Brock play at a top 5 level and not have a ceiling of a top 5 QB? as for Trey and his ceiling... It's best that I just don't comment

Does every QB that plays like a top 5 QB for any small stretch of time have the ceiling of a top 5 QB?

Depends on their career and consistency. When you see someone start and only play at top 5, I'd say yes, until proven otherwise.

I think in most situations, you see someone struggle or be above average, then have a really nice stretch of games at top 5 level (like Flacco did in the 2012 playoffs), but they tend to come back to reality.

if Lance "deserves" the chance to show that he can play better football because he's only played a handful of games, then Purdy deserves to start until he proves he isn't a top 5 guy, or worse, when healthy.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Does every QB that plays like a top 5 QB for any small stretch of time have the ceiling of a top 5 QB?

Is ceiling a real thing?

If you're tall, strong arm, and can run fast - you have a chance at being the next Montana/Mahommes/Brady.
If you're more than tall enough, stronger than average arm, and very quick at avoiding pressure - you're very limited and never will be great. Because some think those are intangibles, when they're really not. Lol

ceiling is actually tied more to your the way your mind works and sees the game, football IQ, leadership, emotional maturity etc. that's what determines how good someone can be, as long as your physical traits are good enough. Which Purdys are more than enough. He just needs to heal up.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Does every QB that plays like a top 5 QB for any small stretch of time have the ceiling of a top 5 QB?

Is this a serious question?

Upside of a player

Ceiling is a term that refers to a player's upside, otherwise known as the level a player can perform at when playing his best.

So if a QB does in fact play like a top 5 QB how is his ceiling not that? He'd have already reached that threshold. The question becomes can he stay there.

Florio suggesting Mac for TL straight up

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Does every QB that plays like a top 5 QB for any small stretch of time have the ceiling of a top 5 QB?

Is this a serious question?

Upside of a player

Ceiling is a term that refers to a player's upside, otherwise known as the level a player can perform at when playing his best.

So if a QB does in fact play like a top 5 QB how is his ceiling not that? He'd have already reached that threshold. The question becomes can he stay there.

Well then I guess it depends on what one takes it to mean to "play like a top 5 QB". The biggest separator between the top guys and everyone else is consistency over multiple seasons, so I'd say at least a season of consistent elite play is a bare minimum requirement before it could be said that someone is playing like a top QB.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Florio suggesting Mac for TL straight up

I hope not. Would put us in same situation of needing to use 5th year option next year on a backup QB.

If we trade Trey we need to get a pick that has potential for us to add a starter

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Does every QB that plays like a top 5 QB for any small stretch of time have the ceiling of a top 5 QB?

Is this a serious question?

Upside of a player

Ceiling is a term that refers to a player's upside, otherwise known as the level a player can perform at when playing his best.

So if a QB does in fact play like a top 5 QB how is his ceiling not that? He'd have already reached that threshold. The question becomes can he stay there.

Yeah idk the answer to that question. Ryan Tannehill had top 3 numbers one year, does that mean that's his ceiling?

I don't think it's accurate to say Lance has a higher ceiling than Purdy. We don't know if that's true or not. I would say it's possible that Lance adds more elements to the offense, vertical passing game and running ability, but it's entirely possible from what I saw of Purdy that he has the higher ceiling.

I think both QBs have a lot of potential. But I don't think it's fair to use the ceiling argument for why Trey needs to be the guy.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Lol basically no one knows…"not my problem"

"Hes not a running back, he's a quarterback!!"

is he sure about that?

I truly think Shanahan ran the offense that way with Trey because he did not trust trey at the time. It's possible that he wanted to ease him in (unlike brock). But clearly he didn't think trey was capable of running the full offense.

He literally ran the full offense but added some stuff. They were running the same pass concepts, but added QB runs and more boot stuff.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Does every QB that plays like a top 5 QB for any small stretch of time have the ceiling of a top 5 QB?

Is ceiling a real thing?

If it means the peak that they can consistently be long term, then yeah.

Trey needs to take it down to a 1. I'm sorry. I can't. Either wear the helmet all the time or take it to a 1.