Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I'm not saying you said those exact words, if ppl want to read your exact words, I imagine they will read your posts, not mine. My quote of you was to show my take on what your post boils down to.

In my post, I quoted your entire thing, so ppl can fairly read it, with nothing mischaracterized.

here is your whole post so ppl can see it:

Heinicke had a 7 game stretch of top 5 ball. So that's his ceiling? Keenum had a whole season of playing at a top level QB. Is that his ceiling?

even Jimmy had a couple games stretches of top 5 play. That doesn't conclude that that's their ceiling imo. Joe blow can go out and score 40pts in a NBA game a couple times…that's not who they are as a NBA though….It's a couple games of good football on a really good roster. If Lance goes out and plays top 5 ball for a couple games…I'm sure you will be running around tossing out every doubt you could possibly find. Every bad play. Every well he didn't him him in stride here blah blah blah.

no I don't think Brock's skill set is that of a top 5 QB and I'm talking about sustainable. Not for a couple games. hopefully he proves me wrong because unlike the Trey hater club I don't give a s**t who's the guy. I just want there to be a guy. I don't want Jimmy G 2.0. I don't want Kirk 2.0. I want a bona fide elite QB. I want the league to think well SF has *insert name* at QB so they're gonna be favorites to win it all every yr for the next decade.

Heinicke had no such stretch, so you are off to a bad, incorrect start here. You then say you hope Brock proves you wrong, cuz you don't like his skill set or you don't think it's top 5. This is a terrible post, top to bottom, imo. Brock's skill is in his ability to play loose, put it on ppl, with no fear of what is going on around him. He's shown he can play in this league, TL trying to get to that level right now / this offseason.

He most certainly did have such a stretch. I told you when and the stats…even used your favorite stat, QB Rating which was 95.7 over that 7 games.

it hasn't nothing to do with what I like or don't like regarding skill set. No overall I don't think he has the skill set to be a year in a year out top 5 QB in the NFL. That's my opinion.

that rating wouldn't be top 5 or top 10.. you said he was top 5. Not even close.

TL had a 97 rating in 2021 for reference, and to be on topic..

I'm not convinced of treys "new improved throwing mechanics"… based solely off the evidence presented.

Originally posted by tankle104:
When you're selected 3rd overall and use 3 first round draft picks on him, sorry if I expect him to be able to run an offense that puts up more than 14 ppg or higher than 50-55% accuracy? I said it greatly concerns me. Not that is all he will ever be. All while having one of the best rosters and coaching staff?

when you have a rookie 7th round pick accomplish in one game more than a guy you traded a ransom for, that greatly concerns me.

when you don't lead an offense to touchdowns in 10.5/12 quarters of play, that concerns me.

when you have some of the worst flat out misses of a WR/TE I've ever seen. That greatly concerns me.

it doesn't mean I think that is all he will ever be, but it tells me he has a very low floor, and makes me question what he is ever capable of ascending to.

the real question is - why doesn't it make you question him? Cause it's a small sample size? Well what about the sample size gives you confidence?

im critical of Brock where he needs to improve. He hasn't played 1/10 as bad as Lance. Lol there isn't the same level of poor play to be critical of.

How about expect him to actually play a couple games in a row before declaring him anything? Man you must have hated Banks/AA/Ward early in their careers.

Not sure how many more times I need to post comp % from a f**k ton of really good QBs early in their career to show you that s**t isn't some stagnant stat.

I'd bet money if Brock started WK1 vs the bears in that weather with the way the rest of the team was playing he wouldn't have looked like the guy we saw towards the end of this year.

Flat out misses? What are you talking about? That one to a TE on a corner fade? I mean I can show Brock "flat out" missing guys too. I can show Jimmy "flat out" missing guys all the same.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

he begins that stretch with this:

rating 70
rating 86
rating 69

3 pass TD, 4 Int

how do you get top 5 from that.. TL wouldn't say that's top 5.. maybe top 5 in the NFC East, I'll give you that.

Will say anything to knock Brock

Darnold sucks, Brady's old, Cousins costs too much, Brock will never be good because he's not big and fast

Will knock anybody that stands in the way of Trey. Then tells everyone they're biased lol

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
This is the part that got me lol

" If Lance goes out and plays top 5 ball for a couple games…I'm sure you will be running around tossing out every doubt you could possibly find. Every bad play."

Isnt that exactly what is happening with Purdy? And It's not a what if.

Some posters need to be more self aware

People are trying to find negatives and posting bad plays with Purdy? I really must not be paying attention because I have not seen anything of the sort. Dont we all love Brock? I get that some are cautiously optimistic, but does he really have detractors? I legitimately havent seen one.

You must not have been paying attention, not seeing what you don't want to see, or just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
that rating wouldn't be top 5 or top 10.. you said he was top 5. Not even close.

TL had a 97 rating in 2021 for reference, and to be on topic..

95.7 QB rating is f**king good lol. Especially on the s**tty commanders. The hell you talking about. That's better than what Lawrence had this yr and damn near the same as Allen this past yr.

Keenum over a full season had a higher QB rating than Rogers/Big Ben/rivers/Wilson etc back in 2017. You know who's has multiple seasons of elite level QB ratings? Goff…we gonna call him elite level?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
the only fact here is that you are doing it. So save the BS

You've been doing it for years so you can cut the s**t. Hypocrite

Thats rich coming from you. You're the biggest f**king hypocrite on this site.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
I'm not convinced of treys "new improved throwing mechanics"… based solely off the evidence presented.

Nobody should be convinced good or bad about how anything will translate to a QB's game from a couple slow motion practice throws against air.

The positive takeaway is that he's out there working to get better, though I don't think there was any reason to doubt that he wouldn't.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
When you're selected 3rd overall and use 3 first round draft picks on him, sorry if I expect him to be able to run an offense that puts up more than 14 ppg or higher than 50-55% accuracy? I said it greatly concerns me. Not that is all he will ever be. All while having one of the best rosters and coaching staff?

when you have a rookie 7th round pick accomplish in one game more than a guy you traded a ransom for, that greatly concerns me.

when you don't lead an offense to touchdowns in 10.5/12 quarters of play, that concerns me.

when you have some of the worst flat out misses of a WR/TE I've ever seen. That greatly concerns me.

it doesn't mean I think that is all he will ever be, but it tells me he has a very low floor, and makes me question what he is ever capable of ascending to.

the real question is - why doesn't it make you question him? Cause it's a small sample size? Well what about the sample size gives you confidence?

im critical of Brock where he needs to improve. He hasn't played 1/10 as bad as Lance. Lol there isn't the same level of poor play to be critical of.

How about expect him to actually play a couple games in a row before declaring him anything? Man you must have hated Banks/AA/Ward early in their careers.

Not sure how many more times I need to post comp % from a f**k ton of really good QBs early in their career to show you that s**t isn't some stagnant stat.

I'd bet money if Brock started WK1 vs the bears in that weather with the way the rest of the team was playing he wouldn't have looked like the guy we saw towards the end of this year.

Flat out misses? What are you talking about? That one to a TE on a corner fade? I mean I can show Brock "flat out" missing guys too. I can show Jimmy "flat out" missing guys all the same.

Why don't you take how many QBs have a bad completion percentage and how many never become better? Instead of just cherry picking all time greats or best in the game?

It's easy to make a hypothetical bet. Who knows but everything suggest he wouldn't of run an inept offense. Brock played in some rain too. Don't act like it was pouring all game. Rain only got heavy in the fourth quarter, after 3 quarters of horrible play.

Lol you really think Lance has been accurate and not had horrendous accuracy? Of course they've missed people, but at the same rate Lance has in his starts? Not even close.

what bugs me about people on here is they make every excuse in the world about why Lance didn't play well. There will always be outside factors that impact a game, in every game. You're still expected to do it. Folks did the same thing with smith, Jimmy etc.

either you come through did your team or you don't. hurts could barely throw the ball and lead his team to the super bowl. Mahommes could barely walk and led his team to a super bowl. Lance has rain and can't beat the worst team in the league, stop it.

there isn't one thing in lances starts that you can say he is excellent at. Nothing. You can make a list of the things Purdy was excellent at. THAT CONCERNS ME. Should concern anyone in their right mind.

he was mainly selected because his big arm and running ability, which should of greatly benefited him in the bears game. It was useless.

To just ignore all of this and act like none of it is treys fault is mind blowing.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
People are trying to find negatives and posting bad plays with Purdy? I really must not be paying attention because I have not seen anything of the sort. Dont we all love Brock? I get that some are cautiously optimistic, but does he really have detractors? I legitimately havent seen one.

You've seen it before in another thread. Same people making the same argument. Rinse and repeat

You guys are right. There's no Lance detractors, Purdy detractors, Jimmy detractors, Kap detractors, Alex detractors, etc

we love all all our niner QBs

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
that rating wouldn't be top 5 or top 10.. you said he was top 5. Not even close.

TL had a 97 rating in 2021 for reference, and to be on topic..

95.7 QB rating is f**king good lol. Especially on the s**tty commanders. The hell you talking about. That's better than what Lawrence had this yr and damn near the same as Allen this past yr.

Keenum over a full season had a higher QB rating than Rogers/Big Ben/rivers/Wilson etc back in 2017. You know who's has multiple seasons of elite level QB ratings? Goff…we gonna call him elite level?

You said it was a top 5 stretch from Heinicke.. TL as a raw rook put up a better rating than Heinicke in his 'elite top 5' stretch...

this great top 5 stretch would have placed him 12th that season in rating, right ahead of Bridgewater and Wentz.. it was a top 12 stretch, at best

When we named Purdy the starter, it was absolutely inevitable teams would call and ask what do you want for that other guy. Once you answer that question, the league knows your willingness to trade him, and it doesn't take an internal leak to reach the media. When asked what I thought we might get for Lance, I suggested we might have a chance at a 2nd, so I find a 2nd and 4th for an asking price credible. Of course I don't know the validity of the rumor, but can see how it could happen.

Kyle and John have worked with Trey closely for two full years. I find it silly for people to think they don't have a very good idea of what they've got by now. Remember, Kyle would prefer we'd do away with preseason games altogether, because he can better evaluate players in practice anyway. His only value to seeing players in games is to see if they fold getting hit or under pressure. It only matters to fans how much we've seen him in games.

Tea leaves are stacking up that they just might be done with Lance. While none are conclusive, it does change the apparent probability:

Trey has not played well when given the chance. When he has played, he's gotten as many runs as you'd expect a running back to get, and certainly we can't believe that's Kyle's preferred game plan. That shows a lack of trust in him running what Kyle does want to run.

Sam Darnold was also a 3rd overall pick who went 4 and 2 last year on a sub par team, throwing an improved 7 td's to 3 picks. It was reported he was a draft day favorite of Kyle's, Kyle may have offered our 12 overall for him before being rejected and trading up for Lance, and Sam could have gotten a starting gig. It's just not logical he came here expecting to be qb3.

We all agree Trey will need more experience to have a chance of being good, but if he's qb3, that is highly unlikely. Before glass Jimmy landed in SF, the team has a 71 year history, and in that time, they started more than two quarterbacks in only 8 seasons. Most of that time, you could actually hit quarterbacks too. That gives Trey an 11 percent chance of playing at best.

We're making a big push to win a SB this year. I think even the biggest supporters of Trey will admit, if he plays a number of games, we are going to lose several of them. Who wants to do that? Who thinks Kile a and John want to do that? I think that's why Sam is here.

Trey's trade value goes down after this year if he falls to qb3. It also goes down because to trade for him next year, you must immediately decide on the guaranteed 5th year option at $20m, and Nobody is going to do that without seeing more of him than they have now. That means you are trading for him on a one year contract.

We might not save much cap space this year, but he would be off the books next year, and we've got a lot of people to pay next year.

If we could get a 2nd for Trey now, that could be a Huge boost to our SB chances. A top TE, CB, or any lineman could be just what we need to put us over the top, and these are positions that often don't go real high. Everything is worth the market price, not the original purchase price. And John and Kyle have demonstrated they are man enough to carry on looking forward, knowing nobody bats 1,000.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
the only fact here is that you are doing it. So save the BS

You've been doing it for years so you can cut the s**t. Hypocrite

Thats rich coming from you. You're the biggest f**king hypocrite on this site.

HA that has and been your title in here for YEARS

never anything of substance from you….If I want to argue about QBs with zero context or get an emoji as a response I'll talk to you…outside of that not much else.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
he begins that stretch with this:

rating 70
rating 86
rating 69

3 pass TD, 4 Int

how do you get top 5 from that.. TL wouldn't say that's top 5.. maybe top 5 in the NFC East, I'll give you that.

Will say anything to knock Brock

Darnold sucks, Brady's old, Cousins costs too much, Brock will never be good because he's not big and fast

Will knock anybody that stands in the way of Trey. Then tells everyone they're biased lol

If you just come here for the lol's due to all the nonsense, you'll have a much better time. If you're coming here for an objective discussion on QB play you'll leave disappointed

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You guys are right. There's no Lance detractors, Purdy detractors, Jimmy detractors, Kap detractors, Alex detractors, etc

we love all all our niner QBs

Lol. The zero sum game that people present between the quarterbacks is* another bizarre dynamic in these threads as well.