Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Does every QB that plays like a top 5 QB for any small stretch of time have the ceiling of a top 5 QB?

Is ceiling a real thing?

If you're tall, strong arm, and can run fast - you have a chance at being the next Montana/Mahommes/Brady.
If you're more than tall enough, stronger than average arm, and very quick at avoiding pressure - you're very limited and never will be great. Because some think those are intangibles, when they're really not. Lol

ceiling is actually tied more to your the way your mind works and sees the game, football IQ, leadership, emotional maturity etc. that's what determines how good someone can be, as long as your physical traits are good enough. Which Purdys are more than enough. He just needs to heal up.

I will never question Montana's greatness but I question why you included him in that group of tall, strong armed and fast QBs. Joe at 6'1" wasn't tall He didn't have a strong arm and he wasn't fast. He was a good runner when he was young but not really fast. Joe had none of those attributes. Joe was actually in that 2nd category that you described and he was great. Tall enough for that era. Good at avoiding pressure. Slightly above average arm. He had the intangibles that made the difference as well as a great coach and great talent around him.

Joe was 6'2. He was fast for a QB at the time. Very agile for a QB. Elite accuracy. Elite touch. Elite timing. Elite vision. Elite presence of mind/improvisation/reflexes. Elite footwork. I could probably go on a while. The guy had so many elite traits. Just didn't have a howizter arm. But relative to QBs of the era, he was elite and pretty much every other trait QBs are valued at.

That said he wasn't a height weight speed guy.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I agree with your overall point that we can't be sold on what Purdy is going to be going forward. Having said that, it's not an either/or choice with Purdy and Lance. If Lance doesn't take the job this offseason and Purdy regresses, that doesn't mean the team defaults to developing Lance going forward. They'll probably look for a new option. Lance's development timeline is independent of Purdy and both have to be weighed against the team's current position.

Also I don't think Keenum is a great comparison. He definitely played well for the Vikings through the 17 season but he also didn't have strong playoff performances and the regression that followed was on a different team.

That's my point…I don't think Keenum is some elite dude. He played well for a full season and on a damn good squad.

I mean if Brock regresses I don't see how you don't put Lance in. If Kyle is incapable of allowing a QB to develop then he should have taken those picks and went after a pro-bowl QB. We should never draft a QB again as long as he's the HC if that's his mindset.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You've been called out by numerous posters for that s**t. I'm not the first and certainly won't be the last. Everyone sees through your BS. If you don't like it block me.

Lol your b******t in the QB threads is WELL documented…I can and have left the QB threads for different amounts of times only to come back and see the same idiot posts from the same people. You talking about objective healthy debate? Well let me know when you start practicing what you preach. I got zero problem with that...have yet to see that.

Like I said earlier, if only some posters were more self aware. Everything you've said is EXACTLY you.

And that's funny you mention that. Because I did the same and came back to the same idiotic post by the same posters. So called it out.

Anyways you can add me to your block list. We all know you have no problem doing that lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
That's my point…I don't think Keenum is some elite dude. He played well for a full season and on a damn good squad.

I mean if Brock regresses I don't see how you don't put Lance in. If Kyle is incapable of allowing a QB to develop then he should have taken those picks and went after a pro-bowl QB. We should never draft a QB again as long as he's the HC if that's his mindset.

You quoted me before I finished my case keenum edit. So I'll add it here since he's the topic.

As for Case Keenum, he did have one great year in Minnesota. Bounced around elsewhere, then eventually signed on with CLE and the same system in CLE he had in Minnesota (same coach even) and when he got a chance to play in CLE (2021) his production there was matching his production in his one year in MIN. I have long since said every QB has a system. His was/is Stefanski's offense

Originally posted by NYniner85:
That's my point…I don't think Keenum is some elite dude. He played well for a full season and on a damn good squad.

I mean I'd Brock regresses I don't see how you don't put Lance in. If Kyle is incapable of allowing a QB to develop then he should have taken those picks and went after a pro-bowl QB. We should never draft a QB again as long as he's the HC if that's his mindset.

The reason you don't necessarily put Lance back in is the same reason he's not being given the job to start (again). Because the team is trying to win right now. The best guy is going to play. Development is not the top priority... for any player on this team especially at the most critical position.

Let Lance win his competition against Darnold first. If he does that, then he would be the best option to replace a struggling Purdy. If he doesn't do that, play Darnold and then go back into the QB market next offseason.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Like I said earlier, if only some posters were more self aware. Everything you've said is EXACTLY you.

And that's funny you mention that. Because I did the same and came back to the same idiotic post by the same posters. So called it out.

Anyways you can add me to your block list. We all know you have no problem doing that lol

Consider it done. I've spent enough time in here arguing with stupid posts and stubbornness. I don't have time to do that anymore.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I said they were looking to trade him before that dumb twitter post. If you were excited to play with a guy and thought he was going to ball out, you wouldn't say the things Bosa and Kittle said. I know the Chiefs players weren't like "Yea luckily he's in a good situation so if he doesn't f**k up we should be good", when Mahomes came in. These guys struggle to hype him up beyond his upside and say things that just make me scratch my head.

And that opinion was based on what?

The big time cap savings we're going to get by trading him?
The huge trade compensation we're likely to get by trading him?
The major off the field trouble and locker room cancer that Trey brings to the table that we're looking to remove?

Give me 1 logical reason to trade Lance right now. 1...

Still waiting Mr Tiger Blood.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Here's some objectivity for you. Lance has not lived up to 3 first and 3rd used on him so far. Going on year 3 we still don't know what he is or what he can be. He's gotten hurt every other game he's started, so it has made it difficult to give him the necessary reps to improve.

Brock played with his hair on fire since stepping on the field. With limited reps on top of it. Played like the QB1 we've been searching for. Can he keep it up, we'll see, but has shown he's capable of that play.

And I don't disagree with that.

I also did see issues with Brock down the stretch. Late on reads. Internal clock in the pocket slowed down. Saw some bad throws…I expect that with any rookie. NOW if he doesn't maintain that level of play or it becomes more up and down then what? We gonna play this out like Jimmy all over again? We not gonna put Lance in to see what the QB can do? You know the guy that this franchise was so convicted in they made the biggest trade in franchise history for?

we gonna let Brock develop and play through his ups and downs? I'm told we can't do that.

I saw Brock break records down the stretch. In the Playoffs of all places. Seen him make great reads. Extend plays and ad lib. All this as a rookie with very limited reps.

What if Lance never develops into the QB worthy of 3 first and a 3rd? What if he continues to get hurt every other game? Well cross that bridge when we get there.

Originally posted by krizay:
You quoted me before I finished my case keenum edit. So I'll add it here since he's the topic.

As for Case Keenum, he did have one great year in Minnesota. Bounced around elsewhere, then eventually signed on with CLE and the same system in CLE he had in Minnesota (same coach even) and when he got a chance to play in CLE (2021) his production there was matching his production in his one year in MIN. I have long since said every QB has a system. His was/is Stefanski's offense

I mean he had 70 passing attempts in CLE

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Like I said earlier, if only some posters were more self aware. Everything you've said is EXACTLY you.

And that's funny you mention that. Because I did the same and came back to the same idiotic post by the same posters. So called it out.

Anyways you can add me to your block list. We all know you have no problem doing that lol

Consider it done. I've spent enough time in here arguing with stupid posts and stubbornness. I don't have time to do that anymore.

Thank you. Saves me time responding to your hypocritical BS. I leave that up to someone else lol

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I said they were looking to trade him before that dumb twitter post. If you were excited to play with a guy and thought he was going to ball out, you wouldn't say the things Bosa and Kittle said. I know the Chiefs players weren't like "Yea luckily he's in a good situation so if he doesn't f**k up we should be good", when Mahomes came in. These guys struggle to hype him up beyond his upside and say things that just make me scratch my head.

And that opinion was based on what?

The big time cap savings we're going to get by trading him?
The huge trade compensation we're likely to get by trading him?
The major off the field trouble and locker room cancer that Trey brings to the table that we're looking to remove?

Give me 1 logical reason to trade Lance right now. 1...

Still waiting Mr Tiger Blood.

I'm not on that train but BOI had a good post if you want a reason or reasons. Page 4155

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

the only fact here is that you are doing it. So save the BS

You've been doing it for years so you can cut the s**t. Hypocrite

Thats rich coming from you. You're the biggest f**king hypocrite on this site.

HA that has and been your title in here for YEARS

never anything of substance from you….If I want to argue about QBs with zero context or get an emoji as a response I'll talk to you…outside of that not much else.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

the only fact here is that you are doing it. So save the BS

You've been doing it for years so you can cut the s**t. Hypocrite

Thats rich coming from you. You're the biggest f**king hypocrite on this site.

HA that has and been your title in here for YEARS

never anything of substance from you….If I want to argue about QBs with zero context or get an emoji as a response I'll talk to you…outside of that not much else.

You've been called out by numerous posters for that s**t. I'm not the first and certainly won't be the last. Everyone sees through your BS. If you don't like it block me.

This is fascinating QB talk.

What the hell is happening in here?

And I thought Jimmy was dividing the fans.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Comments like those are why I'm always cautious of believing what players say about teammates. I watch their body language and secondary words to try and get a feel for their actual opinion. Subconscious says a lot. Whoever called him baby Wilson is a moron. Hahah bet he doesn't want to be baby Wilson now, outside of cashing checks.

It was a former teammate of Wilson's that was in DC…I think McKissic. Some called him baby Farve as well. His teammates loved him. Propped him up all the same.

im not saying that's who Brock is. I'm pointing out there's been QBs that most wouldn't call elite QBs that played well for 7+ games. Where the play matters a ton. We will see with Brock.

Please list all of the QBs whose first 7 starts matched Brock's.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Comments like those are why I'm always cautious of believing what players say about teammates. I watch their body language and secondary words to try and get a feel for their actual opinion. Subconscious says a lot. Whoever called him baby Wilson is a moron. Hahah bet he doesn't want to be baby Wilson now, outside of cashing checks.

It was a former teammate of Wilson's that was in DC…I think McKissic. Some called him baby Farve as well. His teammates loved him. Propped him up all the same.

im not saying that's who Brock is. I'm pointing out there's been QBs that most wouldn't call elite QBs that played well for 7+ games. Where the play matters a ton. We will see with Brock.

Please list all of the QBs whose first 7 starts matched Brock's.