Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
The reason you don't necessarily put Lance back in is the same reason he's not being given the job to start (again). Because the team is trying to win right now. The best guy is going to play. Development is not the top priority... for any player on this team especially at the most critical position.

Let Lance win his competition against Darnold first. If he does that, then he would be the best option to replace a struggling Purdy. If he doesn't do that, play Darnold and then go back into the QB market next offseason.

Dude if Brock isn't playing well they're not winning…the whole we can't develop a QB because we're tying to win a SB doesn't hold water…Brock has 170 career passing attempts. He is basically a rookie. He will be developing regardless. There's gonna be ups and downs. Will Kyle allow Brock to play thru them if he plays poorly for a couple games? Doesn't seem like it.

sam has proven he's not a starting QB in the NFL at this pt. There's years worth of s**t play that has birthing to do with the roster or coaching. It's stuff he's never improved upon.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
This is fascinating QB talk.

He added me to his block list. So there shouldn't be anymore "no you" arguments

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
What the hell is happening in here?

And I thought Jimmy was dividing the fans.

Brock's stellar play is even more devisive

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean he had 70 passing attempts in CLE

I said when he got to play. It may only be 2 games and 70 passes but he was looking right at home in the offense all the same. Which was really my point

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Comments like those are why I'm always cautious of believing what players say about teammates. I watch their body language and secondary words to try and get a feel for their actual opinion. Subconscious says a lot. Whoever called him baby Wilson is a moron. Hahah bet he doesn't want to be baby Wilson now, outside of cashing checks.

It was a former teammate of Wilson's that was in DC…I think McKissic. Some called him baby Farve as well. His teammates loved him. Propped him up all the same.

im not saying that's who Brock is. I'm pointing out there's been QBs that most wouldn't call elite QBs that played well for 7+ games. Where the play matters a ton. We will see with Brock.

Please list all of the QBs whose first 7 starts matched Brock's.

"Don't worry, I'll wait" 😈

Originally posted by genus49:
Still waiting Mr Tiger Blood.

You don't need him to answer this question, because the answer is obvious. You would trade him to gain assets that you can use to help your team elsewhere.

Whether they get a worthwhile offer is a different question. I believe that's really unlikely (as you do).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
The reason you don't necessarily put Lance back in is the same reason he's not being given the job to start (again). Because the team is trying to win right now. The best guy is going to play. Development is not the top priority... for any player on this team especially at the most critical position.

Let Lance win his competition against Darnold first. If he does that, then he would be the best option to replace a struggling Purdy. If he doesn't do that, play Darnold and then go back into the QB market next offseason.

Dude if Brock isn't playing well they're not winning…the whole we can't develop a QB because we're tying to win a SB doesn't hold water…Brock has 170 career passing attempts. He is basically a rookie. He will be developing regardless. There's gonna be ups and downs. Will Kyle allow Brock to play thru them if he plays poorly for a couple games? Doesn't seem like it.

sam has proven he's not a starting QB in the NFL at this pt. There's years worth of s**t play that has birthing to do with the roster or coaching. It's stuff he's never improved upon.

It's not a matter of developing a qb, it's that Trey needs to learn EVERYTHING - or at least that's what he's shown so far.

I keep hearing "this team can win with Trey" but data suggest otherwise so far. He's so raw that he averages 14 PPG as the starter and turns the ball over more than he scores. Factor in he's doing that with a great team and coaching, it's concerning.

couple that with the fact 2/3 teams he's faced have been bottom dwellers in the nfl, it's even more concerning.

if he does start, we have to hope his learning curve is dramatic. It's not a matter of developing him, it's the team has to carry the entire load and that isn't winning football.

hopefully he's improved a lot this off season and that's all a non factor, but that's a waste of a great team.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude if Brock isn't playing well they're not winning…the whole we can't develop a QB because we're tying to win a SB doesn't hold water…Brock has 170 career passing attempts. He is basically a rookie. He will be developing regardless. There's gonna be ups and downs. Will Kyle allow Brock to play thru them if he plays poorly for a couple games? Doesn't seem like it.

sam has proven he's not a starting QB in the NFL at this pt. There's years worth of s**t play that has birthing to do with the roster or coaching. It's stuff he's never improved upon.

This isn't helping your argument. It helps mine. Development is not a priority. Whether that's Lance, Purdy, Darnold, or anybody else. If we don't get good QB play from one of these three guys this season, you're in denial (imo) if you think that means we just go back to prioritizing Lance going forward. All evidence shows otherwise.

You are free to take issue with that being the case but the team is broadcasting it. You want to criticize Kyle for taking a project and then not developing the project, I think that's fair. The only caveat to that point is I think there's evidence to suggest they didn't think he was going to be the project it appears that he is... and not for nothing I think you were in that same boat initially based on the first parts of this thread.

Originally posted by tankle104:
It's not a matter of developing a qb, it's that Trey needs to learn EVERYTHING - or at least that's what he's shown so far.

I keep hearing "this team can win with Trey" but data suggest otherwise so far. He's so raw that he averages 14 PPG as the starter and turns the ball over more than he scores. Factor in he's doing that with a great team and coaching, it's concerning.

couple that with the fact 2/3 teams he's faced have been bottom dwellers in the nfl, it's even more concerning.

if he does start, we have to hope his learning curve is dramatic. It's not a matter of developing him, it's the team has to carry the entire load and that isn't winning football.

hopefully he's improved a lot this off season and that's all a non factor, but that's a waste of a great team.

It's no different than if Darnold starts. At least Trey knows the system.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
What the hell is happening in here?

And I thought Jimmy was dividing the fans.

Brock's stellar play is even more devisive

My issue isn't choosing between either player - it's the fact that some refuse to admit that Lance hasn't played well at all, yet they're quick to make every excuse for him, including minimizing what Purdy did. It doesn't make any sense.

just say Trey has sucked but you believe he can become awesome with more play time. Admit he will be a liability for the team as a starter until he has a season or two under his belt, since he's only started approximately 30 games (including high school varsity, college, and NFL). Admit he has accuracy issues. Admit he doesn't do really anything excellent, yet. Say you like his skill set and think he can become better or that you prefer Lance because you like QBs that run and have big arms. When all your arguments are based on cherry picking all time greats stats and ignoring 99% of the rest of the people that failed, admit that you think he can be the 1% to overcome certain issues.

its not a big deal. At all. Anyone rational can understand that you're optimistic about a player but to act like none of that exists? He hasn't led the offense on a TD drive 90% of his drives as a starter?

i just don't understand it. we can't have any sort of constructive conversation when some are just saying flat out non sense.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
It's not a matter of developing a qb, it's that Trey needs to learn EVERYTHING - or at least that's what he's shown so far.

I keep hearing "this team can win with Trey" but data suggest otherwise so far. He's so raw that he averages 14 PPG as the starter and turns the ball over more than he scores. Factor in he's doing that with a great team and coaching, it's concerning.

couple that with the fact 2/3 teams he's faced have been bottom dwellers in the nfl, it's even more concerning.

if he does start, we have to hope his learning curve is dramatic. It's not a matter of developing him, it's the team has to carry the entire load and that isn't winning football.

hopefully he's improved a lot this off season and that's all a non factor, but that's a waste of a great team.

It's no different than if Darnold starts. At least Trey knows the system.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of darnold either. I think we are in a tough spot W/L wise with either, for sure.

only positive I can say that darnold has is regarding game planning because you know what he isn't good at. You can gameplan around it, still not a good situation though.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
This isn't helping your argument. It helps mine. Development is not a priority. Whether that's Lance, Purdy, Darnold, or anybody else. If we don't get good QB play from one of these three guys this season, you're in denial (imo) if you think that means we just go back to prioritizing Lance going forward. All evidence shows otherwise.

You are free to take issue with that being the case but the team is broadcasting it. You want to criticize Kyle for taking a project and then not developing the project, I think that's fair. The only caveat to that point is I think there's evidence to suggest they didn't think he was going to be the project it appears that he is... and not for nothing I think you were in that same boat initially based on the first parts of this thread.

Development should always be the priority. The best way to compete long term in the NFL is to have a top level QB. That should always be the focus if you don't have one.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude if Brock isn't playing well they're not winning…the whole we can't develop a QB because we're tying to win a SB doesn't hold water…Brock has 170 career passing attempts. He is basically a rookie. He will be developing regardless. There's gonna be ups and downs. Will Kyle allow Brock to play thru them if he plays poorly for a couple games? Doesn't seem like it.

sam has proven he's not a starting QB in the NFL at this pt. There's years worth of s**t play that has birthing to do with the roster or coaching. It's stuff he's never improved upon.

But he let Nick Mullens try and play through his ups and downs. Kept trying to coach the turnovers out of him. Every week he'd say the same thing.

I think you are saying this because you feel he isn't giving Trey a chance. I think both Mullens and Purdy showed their capabilities in his offense right off the bat. Trey has yet to do that. That to me is the difference.

Trey was not showing it throughout camp last year or at any point since being a 9er. I understand what we gave up for Trey. I understand Trey's physical attributes. However, if they are going to invest playing time to help someone develop it's going to be the guy they seen lead this offense to nearly the fullest of its capabilities. They are both young(only 6 months apart) and both inexperienced (only 70 pass attempts apart). So why wouldn't they invest more time into the guy the legit seen lead the team?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
It's no different than if Darnold starts. At least Trey knows the system.

Darnold has something BP and TL don't, experience. He's on JGs level in terms of career starts. He's seen a lot in this league. I do believe experience matters. TL as you mention, has more years in the KS offense.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Darnold has something BP and TL don't, experience. He's on JGs level in terms of career starts. He's seen a lot in this league. I do believe experience matters. TL as you mention, has more years in the KS offense.

Experience only matters to a certain extent imo.