Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Disagree on this point. Our team is loaded. I don't think we need Mahomes, to win a SB, or that kind of production from the QB spot. Only a handful of teams have that QB. And we have beaten down Rodgers year after year, without that kind of elite QB. I mean Rodgers was winning NFL MVPs and we were shutting him down, ending his season.

I just think we need someone who can run the thing, hit open guys, not turn it over. Anything more than that, like BP last season, is a bonus.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
No need to compare Brock to previous rookies. All you have to do to know that Brock did unusually outstanding is compare his output to JIMMY'S. Jimmy having a career year, with a QBR of 54.3. Brock 65.6. And this checks out with the massive points per game increase.* Jimmy had 16 TDs and 4 INTs in 11 games. Brock had 13 TDs and 3 INTs in 6 games, or 13 and 4 in 7 if you count the K.C. game. It's clear and obvious Brock was a superior QB, and he played excellently for a QB of ANY experience level.

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*And that, by the way, is how you know QBR is superior to passer rating. Jimmy's passer rating was 103.0 last year; Brock's was 107.3, for a percent difference of 4.1, where as QBR the percent difference was 18.8. That huge change shown by QBR matches the huge change shown in points per game. QBR > passer rating.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
No, I don't.
Literally every QB is in a unique situation.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
No need to compare Brock to previous rookies. All you have to do to know that Brock did unusually outstanding is compare his output to JIMMY'S. Jimmy having a career year, with a QBR of 54.3. Brock 65.6. And this checks out with the massive points per game increase.* Jimmy had 16 TDs and 4 INTs in 11 games. Brock had 13 TDs and 3 INTs in 6 games, or 13 and 4 in 7 if you count the K.C. game. It's clear and obvious Brock was a superior QB, and he played excellently for a QB of ANY experience level.

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*And that, by the way, is how you know QBR is superior to passer rating. Jimmy's passer rating was 103.0 last year; Brock's was 107.3, for a percent difference of 4.1, where as QBR the percent difference was 18.8. That huge change shown by QBR matches the huge change shown in points per game. QBR > passer rating.

I don't think JG was having a career year, I heard that take, however he looked rusty vs DEN, among others.

I think his best was 2017 / 2019.

QBR reflects this also, 2019 higher than 2022 and 2017 much higher.

Not much sample size but here are the other QBRs including TL as it's his thread; as well as the draft class

numbers are year 1/year2

Lawrence - 33/54
Fields - 26/54
Lance - 33/34
Wilson - 28/36
Mac - 50/36

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

No, I don't.
Literally every QB is in a unique situation.

Well that should be added as context to your statement when asking about another rookie QBs first 7 starts.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
It's not a bonus. It should be what we want. The reason we didn't win in 2019 was their guy could lead his offense back from any deficit and we needed everything to run flawlessly to win. It's not sustainable.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
It's not a bonus. It should be what we want. The reason we didn't win in 2019 was their guy could lead his offense back from any deficit and we needed everything to run flawlessly to win. It's not sustainable.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Literally everyone knows that context.
Any examples of other players who started out like Brock?

You compared Brock to Heinicke...come on man.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Literally everyone knows that context.
Any examples of other players who started out like Brock?

You compared Brock to Heinicke...come on man.

I compared a 7 game stretch from a QB that no one considers anything remotely close to elite have a damn good 7 games. 95.7 qb rating avg 230yards completing 71.5% of his passes on one of the worst rosters in the league in 2021.

If everyone knew that context then it wouldn't be a simple who started out like that…we've already given you a list of really really good QBs who started out completely awful. So are you saying he's better than all those guys?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Literally everyone knows that context.
Any examples of other players who started out like Brock?

You compared Brock to Heinicke...come on man.

I compared a 7 game stretch from a QB that no one considers anything remotely close to elite have a damn good 7 games. 95.7 qb rating avg 230yards completing 71.5% of his passes on one of the worst rosters in the league in 2021.

If everyone knew that context then it wouldn't be a simple who started out like that…we've already given you a list of really really good QBs who started out completely awful. So are you saying he's better than all those guys?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The infamous 'Heinicke is a top 5 QB' stretch of games, which coincidentally, was indeed quite a stretch, from NY stretching the truth..

95 rating may have been top 5 in 1995, not anymore

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
No stretch of Heinicke's career comes close to matching Brock's career numbers no matter how you cherry pick.
It seems as if you are looking hard for 7 game stretches to compare to Brock's career numbers as if Brock's first seven games are likely to be his career best.

A list of QBs who started bad are irrelevant when talking about Brock because he started out great.
Why not provide a list of Rookies who started out like Brock and then became s**tty?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The infamous 'Heinicke is a top 5 QB' stretch of games, which coincidentally, was indeed quite a stretch, from NY stretching the truth..

95 rating may have been top 5 in 1995, not anymore

Lol that's cute coming from you and your Sam Darnold QB rating…maybe he can throw for 5,000 yards and 40TDs this yr, eh?

Constantly trying to diminish/twist what I say to push a narrative.