Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by ninerjok:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

RIP Trey Lance's career.

What needs to RIP is Cohn's career as any kind of football reporter, he sucks giant ass.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
You don't need to speak for him, either way you didn't answer the question.

Getting something is not a logical reason to trade a young QB and take a cap hit in the process.

Especially because that something is likely to be an unproven draft pick. Aka something can quickly become less than nothing.

I answered the question directly. Whether draft picks are guaranteed to be successful or not they are a means to improve your team. Not to mention that he could be traded for a player.

There is no other reason to trade him than that. That is the reason all players are traded. You remove an asset you don't believe helps you as much as the assets you acquire. That can be based on play, potential, locker room fit, or whatever else. Nothing is guaranteed.

I asked for a logical take.

Right now our QB room is Sam Darnold who is fully cleared to practice if it was today, a player who has a track record of AWFUL play and inconsistency, Trey Lance who has 4 starts under his belt before the age of 23 who may not be fully cleared himself and Brock Purdy who isn't even close to throwing again, let alone being cleared to practice.

So the idea that the team is going to trade one of the two QBs who may be available for training camp and the ONLY one out of the two QBs who has actually played in this system and team without knowing how the other guy will do in this offense and while the likely QB1 starter isn't even medically cleared is a ridiculous idea that there are more valuable assets you can get by trading him.

This isn't a 1 for 1 situation. You're moving a QB. Anyone you add is likely to be a bigger question mark than Trey and you're pushing to have this happen after what went down last season.

We should be rolling into the season with 3 QBs on the active roster AND a young kid on the PS to be groomed. Then you can trade Trey down the road if you still feel he's not in your future plans but not until you see Darnold picking up the offense and looking good in it and you get a 100% healthy Brock Purdy playing the way he did last year.

That's why there is no logic to moving him right now. Claiming "they get picks for him" is not logical. Not given the position, the state of it on our team and how last season went down - sprinkle the fact that we actually lose cap space by trading him and may not have enough cap to sign our draft picks and it just adds further to the stupidity of it.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

I don't even think Shanny thought they were that close. He obviously didn't believe they could pull off another 2019 playoff carry job with Jimmy. Then Jimmy gets to another NFCCG, and it's like "yup we were right not gonna get it done with him, let's keep moving forward with the plan".

But after getting CMC and seeing Brock run the offense he has what he needs. Kyle has a QB he believes in now. Kyle HAS to get it done with this roster and he's going to do what it takes to do that. He's not going to bank his future on Trey and pass this opportunity up

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

I don't even think Shanny thought they were that close. He obviously didn't believe they could pull off another 2019 playoff carry job with Jimmy. Then Jimmy gets to another NFCCG, and it's like "yup we were right not gonna get it done with him, let's keep moving forward with the plan".

But after getting CMC and seeing Brock run the offense he has what he needs. Kyle has a QB he believes in now. Kyle HAS to get it done with this roster and he's going to do what it takes to do that. He's not going to bank his future on Trey and pass this opportunity up

The team is banking on Trey because Brock is hurt and may not return to be the guy we saw.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

I don't even think Shanny thought they were that close. He obviously didn't believe they could pull off another 2019 playoff carry job with Jimmy. Then Jimmy gets to another NFCCG, and it's like "yup we were right not gonna get it done with him, let's keep moving forward with the plan".

But after getting CMC and seeing Brock run the offense he has what he needs. Kyle has a QB he believes in now. Kyle HAS to get it done with this roster and he's going to do what it takes to do that. He's not going to bank his future on Trey and pass this opportunity up

The team is banking on Trey because Brock is hurt and may not return to be the guy we saw.

If that were the case they wouldn't bring in another QB to compete for that opportunity. They're not sure about Trey. Even if they were banking on him to be a fill in for a few games, that has nothing to do with what I said. I said they're not banking their future on him

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

Every QB being drafted is a project. There will be stretches of good and bad play 99% of the time.

they sure as s**t weren't winning a SB with their current QB at the time and his contract was coming up.

They shot for Stafford/Rogers all the same. If this franchise and fan base can't handle a young QB developing then we should never draft one again simple as that.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

I don't even think Shanny thought they were that close. He obviously didn't believe they could pull off another 2019 playoff carry job with Jimmy. Then Jimmy gets to another NFCCG, and it's like "yup we were right not gonna get it done with him, let's keep moving forward with the plan".

But after getting CMC and seeing Brock run the offense he has what he needs. Kyle has a QB he believes in now. Kyle HAS to get it done with this roster and he's going to do what it takes to do that. He's not going to bank his future on Trey and pass this opportunity up

The team is banking on Trey because Brock is hurt and may not return to be the guy we saw.

What actions/words by shanahan or lynch this offseason would make you believe they're banking on him? I've seen nothing.

1. They've brought in darnold
2. Lynch proclaims purdy #1 when healthy
3. Shanahan speaks glowingly of darnold to a point where i want to vomit.
4. Lynch says he doesn't know when Trey will get a chance.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
What actions/words by shanahan or lynch this offseason would make you believe they're banking on him? I've seen nothing.

1. They've brought in darnold
2. Lynch proclaims purdy #1 when healthy
3. Shanahan speaks glowingly of darnold to a point where i want to vomit.
4. Lynch says he doesn't know when Trey will get a chance.

Come on man, what's wrong with coach talking glowingly about someone on our team.

Listen to Jed on Lance, Shanny on Darnold.. nothing but positive vibes here folks

we may be the only team in the NFL with two top 3 QB picks 26-and-under competing (haven't researched this point, but there can't be that many if any)

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

He was a major project and still is. Wouldn't be the end of the world if he sits year 3. Love sat year 3, and looks to be the guy year 4. Packers do a tremendous job developing QB talent, other teams would be wise to learn from them, let the young guys watch, don't be so impatient. Once they are ready to rock and roll, then put em out there.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

I don't even think Shanny thought they were that close. He obviously didn't believe they could pull off another 2019 playoff carry job with Jimmy. Then Jimmy gets to another NFCCG, and it's like "yup we were right not gonna get it done with him, let's keep moving forward with the plan".

But after getting CMC and seeing Brock run the offense he has what he needs. Kyle has a QB he believes in now. Kyle HAS to get it done with this roster and he's going to do what it takes to do that. He's not going to bank his future on Trey and pass this opportunity up

The team is banking on Trey because Brock is hurt and may not return to be the guy we saw.

If that were the case they wouldn't bring in another QB to compete for that opportunity. They're not sure about Trey. Even if they were banking on him to be a fill in for a few games, that has nothing to do with what I said. I said they're not banking their future on him

The team needed four capable QBs last year, Trey and Brock are the top 2, Darnold is competing for 3rd.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

I don't even think Shanny thought they were that close. He obviously didn't believe they could pull off another 2019 playoff carry job with Jimmy. Then Jimmy gets to another NFCCG, and it's like "yup we were right not gonna get it done with him, let's keep moving forward with the plan".

But after getting CMC and seeing Brock run the offense he has what he needs. Kyle has a QB he believes in now. Kyle HAS to get it done with this roster and he's going to do what it takes to do that. He's not going to bank his future on Trey and pass this opportunity up

The team is banking on Trey because Brock is hurt and may not return to be the guy we saw.

What actions/words by shanahan or lynch this offseason would make you believe they're banking on him? I've seen nothing.

1. They've brought in darnold
2. Lynch proclaims purdy #1 when healthy
3. Shanahan speaks glowingly of darnold to a point where i want to vomit.
4. Lynch says he doesn't know when Trey will get a chance.

Darnold sucks

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Come on man, what's wrong with coach talking glowingly about someone on our team.

Listen to Jed on Lance, Shanny on Darnold.. nothing but positive vibes here folks

we may be the only team in the NFL with two top 3 QB picks 26-and-under competing (haven't researched this point, but there can't be that many if any)

There was Mayfield and Darnold last year

This will be only 3rd time in history. Though not sure bout the under 26 part.

https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2022/07/08/carolina-panther-second-team-same-draft-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold/

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

I don't even think Shanny thought they were that close. He obviously didn't believe they could pull off another 2019 playoff carry job with Jimmy. Then Jimmy gets to another NFCCG, and it's like "yup we were right not gonna get it done with him, let's keep moving forward with the plan".

But after getting CMC and seeing Brock run the offense he has what he needs. Kyle has a QB he believes in now. Kyle HAS to get it done with this roster and he's going to do what it takes to do that. He's not going to bank his future on Trey and pass this opportunity up

The team is banking on Trey because Brock is hurt and may not return to be the guy we saw.

What actions/words by shanahan or lynch this offseason would make you believe they're banking on him? I've seen nothing.

1. They've brought in darnold
2. Lynch proclaims purdy #1 when healthy
3. Shanahan speaks glowingly of darnold to a point where i want to vomit.
4. Lynch says he doesn't know when Trey will get a chance.

Darnold sucks

Sucks so bad KS went out and landed him day one of FA and is giving him a split of reps for QB1 if BP is out. KS has wanted him on this team for years. I would guess KS thinks he's pretty good. I would guess KS thinks that way about TL also, or that he can be good with development. It's a comp.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Come on man, what's wrong with coach talking glowingly about someone on our team.

Listen to Jed on Lance, Shanny on Darnold.. nothing but positive vibes here folks

we may be the only team in the NFL with two top 3 QB picks 26-and-under competing (haven't researched this point, but there can't be that many if any)

There was Mayfield and Darnold last year

Maybe my point was not a good one here lol..