Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

I don't even think Shanny thought they were that close. He obviously didn't believe they could pull off another 2019 playoff carry job with Jimmy. Then Jimmy gets to another NFCCG, and it's like "yup we were right not gonna get it done with him, let's keep moving forward with the plan".

But after getting CMC and seeing Brock run the offense he has what he needs. Kyle has a QB he believes in now. Kyle HAS to get it done with this roster and he's going to do what it takes to do that. He's not going to bank his future on Trey and pass this opportunity up

The team is banking on Trey because Brock is hurt and may not return to be the guy we saw.

What actions/words by shanahan or lynch this offseason would make you believe they're banking on him? I've seen nothing.

1. They've brought in darnold
2. Lynch proclaims purdy #1 when healthy
3. Shanahan speaks glowingly of darnold to a point where i want to vomit.
4. Lynch says he doesn't know when Trey will get a chance.

Feel free to provide the quote for this.

He paraphrased but Lynch did say "we'll see how we get him that opportunity", when talking about Trey playing.

Take from that what you will, but it sounds like he's not confident in Trey making a way for himself here in SF. He needs to see how they will get him an opportunity. No talk of Trey competing and doing that on his own

That's the issue with "paraphrasing" because it allows anyone with an angle to take silly leaps of assumption.

Here is the quote he's likely talking about

I think his biggest thing, we just have to find a way, and I've had a lot of conversations with Trey, early in my career, I struggled to stay healthy, and then I hit an eight-year stretch where I didn't miss the snap, so sometimes you just have to go through that, the rough patches, and he has to play.

And that's the biggest challenge, we have a team that's ready to go now. He has to get out there and play. Brock got that opportunity this year. He grabbed it, he did great things, we'll see at some point how we get Trey that opportunity because we very much believe in who he is as a person and who he is as a quarterback."

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/3/1/23619705/john-lynch-trey-lance-49ers

The quote was talking about Trey being able to stay healthy and getting to play - that's the opportunity in question.

Dude trying to paint it like the team doesn't see a spot for Lance and yet the conversation is simply about Trey being able to stay healthy to get the reps he needs to improve.

Originally posted by genus49:
5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT 6 rushes for 32 yards and 2 fumbles(not lost though)

If that's what you consider his best play...well yikes.

Nothing disingenuous at all about cherry picking someones worst statline from a single afternoon and putting it up as a fair representation of their 'best play'

Do you have any idea what happened in the game you refer to? Did you actually watch it? Or do you just post the stats?

I see he did get credit on that one for a GW drive. I think the season is more representative of his ability than your post is.

By saying season I mean not one hand picked game, but all the games, taken together. TL would agree, I wouldn't watch the CHI game and say, that's TLs best ball. Far from it. Look at the HOU game.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Nothing disingenuous at all about cherry picking someones worst statline from a single afternoon and putting it up as a fair representation of their 'best play'

Do you have any idea what happened in the game you refer to? Did you actually watch it? Or do you just post the stats?

I see he did get credit on that one for a GW drive. I think the season is more representative of his ability than your post is. TL would agree, I wouldn't watch the CHI game and say, that's TLs best ball. Far from it. Look at the HOU game.

As opposed to picking a 6 game sample from a 50 game career?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT 6 rushes for 32 yards and 2 fumbles(not lost though)

If that's what you consider his best play...well yikes.

Nothing disingenuous at all about cherry picking someones worst statline from a single afternoon and putting it up as a fair representation of their 'best play'

Do you have any idea what happened in the game you refer to? Did you actually watch it? Or do you just post the stats?

I see he did get credit on that one for a GW drive. I think the season is more representative of his ability than your post is. TL would agree, I wouldn't watch the CHI game and say, that's TLs best ball. Far from it. Look at the HOU game.

I just don't understand how you can knock Darnolds play but praise Lance? Sure it's been a small sample size but it isn't like he's done well himself either.

why are people so threatened by darnold when it comes to Lance? If he's as special as some claim, he will blow darnold out of the water. Shouldn't even be worried about it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

I don't even think Shanny thought they were that close. He obviously didn't believe they could pull off another 2019 playoff carry job with Jimmy. Then Jimmy gets to another NFCCG, and it's like "yup we were right not gonna get it done with him, let's keep moving forward with the plan".

But after getting CMC and seeing Brock run the offense he has what he needs. Kyle has a QB he believes in now. Kyle HAS to get it done with this roster and he's going to do what it takes to do that. He's not going to bank his future on Trey and pass this opportunity up

The team is banking on Trey because Brock is hurt and may not return to be the guy we saw.

What actions/words by shanahan or lynch this offseason would make you believe they're banking on him? I've seen nothing.

1. They've brought in darnold
2. Lynch proclaims purdy #1 when healthy
3. Shanahan speaks glowingly of darnold to a point where i want to vomit.
4. Lynch says he doesn't know when Trey will get a chance.

Feel free to provide the quote for this.

He paraphrased but Lynch did say "we'll see how we get him that opportunity", when talking about Trey playing.

Take from that what you will, but it sounds like he's not confident in Trey making a way for himself here in SF. He needs to see how they will get him an opportunity. No talk of Trey competing and doing that on his own

That's the issue with "paraphrasing" because it allows anyone with an angle to take silly leaps of assumption.

Here is the quote he's likely talking about

I think his biggest thing, we just have to find a way, and I've had a lot of conversations with Trey, early in my career, I struggled to stay healthy, and then I hit an eight-year stretch where I didn't miss the snap, so sometimes you just have to go through that, the rough patches, and he has to play.

And that's the biggest challenge, we have a team that's ready to go now. He has to get out there and play. Brock got that opportunity this year. He grabbed it, he did great things, we'll see at some point how we get Trey that opportunity because we very much believe in who he is as a person and who he is as a quarterback."

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/3/1/23619705/john-lynch-trey-lance-49ers

The quote was talking about Trey being able to stay healthy and getting to play - that's the opportunity in question.

Dude trying to paint it like the team doesn't see a spot for Lance and yet the conversation is simply about Trey being able to stay healthy to get the reps he needs to improve.

He said Brock got out there and played and he grabbed it. He needs to see how he'll get Trey an opportunity to do that. It might be paraphrased, but it's still accurate. John doesn't know how he's going to get Trey the opportunity to play. He said himself that he needs to see.

I know if I thought my 3 firsts QB was good I'd be talking about how he has a chance to earn his job back, and I'm excited to have two good young QBs compete. That's the obvious way Trey gets that opportunity, but I guess John doesn't see that happening. He said himself he doesn't see how Trey will get his opportunity.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Nothing disingenuous at all about cherry picking someones worst statline from a single afternoon and putting it up as a fair representation of their 'best play'

Do you have any idea what happened in the game you refer to? Did you actually watch it? Or do you just post the stats?

I see he did get credit on that one for a GW drive. I think the season is more representative of his ability than your post is. TL would agree, I wouldn't watch the CHI game and say, that's TLs best ball. Far from it. Look at the HOU game.

As opposed to picking a 6 game sample from a 50 game career?

Exactly.. I think the 50 games will probably give you a better idea who someone is than the 6 games.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Exactly.. I think the 50 games will probably give you a better idea who someone is than the 6 games.

Then why continue to bring up a QB rating over 6 games?

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

I don't even think Shanny thought they were that close. He obviously didn't believe they could pull off another 2019 playoff carry job with Jimmy. Then Jimmy gets to another NFCCG, and it's like "yup we were right not gonna get it done with him, let's keep moving forward with the plan".

But after getting CMC and seeing Brock run the offense he has what he needs. Kyle has a QB he believes in now. Kyle HAS to get it done with this roster and he's going to do what it takes to do that. He's not going to bank his future on Trey and pass this opportunity up

The team is banking on Trey because Brock is hurt and may not return to be the guy we saw.

What actions/words by shanahan or lynch this offseason would make you believe they're banking on him? I've seen nothing.

1. They've brought in darnold
2. Lynch proclaims purdy #1 when healthy
3. Shanahan speaks glowingly of darnold to a point where i want to vomit.
4. Lynch says he doesn't know when Trey will get a chance.

Feel free to provide the quote for this.

He paraphrased but Lynch did say "we'll see how we get him that opportunity", when talking about Trey playing.

Take from that what you will, but it sounds like he's not confident in Trey making a way for himself here in SF. He needs to see how they will get him an opportunity. No talk of Trey competing and doing that on his own

I assumed this was an actual quote?

John doesn't see how he will get Trey an opportunity

John doesn't know how he will get Trey an opportunity

The quotes are interchangeable but of course they're going to hammer away at it lol

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He said Brock got out there and played and he grabbed it. He needs to see how he'll get Trey an opportunity to do that. It might be paraphrased, but it's still accurate. John doesn't know how he's going to get Trey the opportunity to play. He said himself that he needs to see.

I know if I thought my 3 firsts QB was good I'd be talking about how he has a chance to earn his job back, and I'm excited to have two good young QBs compete. That's the obvious way Trey gets that opportunity, but I guess John doesn't see that happening. He said himself he doesn't see how Trey will get his opportunity.

You guess is a very good summation.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Exactly.. I think the 50 games will probably give you a better idea who someone is than the 6 games.

Then why continue to bring up a QB rating over 6 games?

Recency matters also, how Josh Allen played as a rook probably is not relevant to how he will play in 2023. I would look at how he played in 2022, if you want an idea what he will do in 2023. Does this really need explained? I wouldn't laser focus on his most recent one game. His most recent one game, he was 68 rated, the team scored 10 points and lost. Wonder if you have ppl on Bills forum going around posting about a 68 rating and 10 points all offseason, probably so, lil silly if you ask me.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He said Brock got out there and played and he grabbed it. He needs to see how he'll get Trey an opportunity to do that. It might be paraphrased, but it's still accurate. John doesn't know how he's going to get Trey the opportunity to play. He said himself that he needs to see.

I know if I thought my 3 firsts QB was good I'd be talking about how he has a chance to earn his job back, and I'm excited to have two good young QBs compete. That's the obvious way Trey gets that opportunity, but I guess John doesn't see that happening. He said himself he doesn't see how Trey will get his opportunity.

You guess is a very good summation.

Yeah, I mean the fact that the team has already said Purdy will be the starter when he's healthy and that Lance has to compete with darnold for QB2/3 - should tell you a lot.

when you have complete faith and confidence in someone becoming a star, or the best option long term, I don't think this is how you do it.

they still like Trey and are obviously optimistic about him but you don't hedge your bets like this when your confident in a player. Especially ones that been practicing and training for two years with your staff. They're obviously concerned.

let's hope Trey shows up and shows out to put this all away and see if he can push Purdy for the job.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Recency matters also, how Josh Allen played as a rook probably is not relevant to how he will play in 2023. I would look at how he played in 2022, if you want an idea what he will do in 2023. Does this really need explained? I wouldn't laser focus on his most recent one game. His most recent one game, he was 68 rated, the team scored 10 points and lost. Wonder if you have ppl on Bills forum going around posting about a 68 rating and 10 points all offseason, probably so, lil silly if you ask me.

If Josh Allen had only a handful of games of good play how he looked for the majority of his career would absolutely matter.

Cherry picking a 6 game sample out of 50 makes zero sense.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

He said Brock got out there and played and he grabbed it. He needs to see how he'll get Trey an opportunity to do that. It might be paraphrased, but it's still accurate. John doesn't know how he's going to get Trey the opportunity to play. He said himself that he needs to see.

I know if I thought my 3 firsts QB was good I'd be talking about how he has a chance to earn his job back, and I'm excited to have two good young QBs compete. That's the obvious way Trey gets that opportunity, but I guess John doesn't see that happening. He said himself he doesn't see how Trey will get his opportunity.

You guess is a very good summation.

"We'll see at some point how we get Trey that opportunity"

Sounds like he thinks he himself needs to find Trey an opportunity. Saying "we'll see how" means he currently doesn't know how

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
"We'll see at some point how we get Trey that opportunity"

Sounds like he thinks he himself needs to find Trey an opportunity. Saying "we'll see how" means he currently doesn't know how

Because he doesn't know what the status of Purdys elbow will be. Clearly they think Purdy is the starter if healthy.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

"We'll see at some point how we get Trey that opportunity"

Sounds like he thinks he himself needs to find Trey an opportunity. Saying "we'll see how" means he currently doesn't know how

Because he doesn't know what the status of Purdys elbow will be. Clearly they think Purdy is the starter if healthy.

A quote that showed Lynch doesn't know when Trey will get a chance was requested. There it is