Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
"We'll see at some point how we get Trey that opportunity"

Sounds like he thinks he himself needs to find Trey an opportunity. Saying "we'll see how" means he currently doesn't know how

Because he doesn't know what the status of Purdys elbow will be. Clearly they think Purdy is the starter if healthy.

A quote that showed Lynch doesn't know when Trey will get a chance was requested. There it is

Not exactly a glowing endorsement for the #3 overall draft pick... me thinks TL sees the handwriting on the wall and already has his bags packed

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
"We'll see at some point how we get Trey that opportunity"

Sounds like he thinks he himself needs to find Trey an opportunity. Saying "we'll see how" means he currently doesn't know how

Because he doesn't know what the status of Purdys elbow will be. Clearly they think Purdy is the starter if healthy.

A quote that showed Lynch doesn't know when Trey will get a chance was requested. There it is

Not exactly a glowing endorsement for the #3 overall draft pick... me thinks TL sees the handwriting on the wall and already has his bags packed

You really think that? Just out of idle curiosity how many quarterbacks did we lose to injury last year? And you think that Lance has his bags packed?

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

"We'll see at some point how we get Trey that opportunity"

Sounds like he thinks he himself needs to find Trey an opportunity. Saying "we'll see how" means he currently doesn't know how

Because he doesn't know what the status of Purdys elbow will be. Clearly they think Purdy is the starter if healthy.

A quote that showed Lynch doesn't know when Trey will get a chance was requested. There it is

Not exactly a glowing endorsement for the #3 overall draft pick... me thinks TL sees the handwriting on the wall and already has his bags packed

"We'll see how we get Trey that opportunity"

When the FO feels like they are the ones that need to get you an opportunity, you know what that means

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Recency matters also, how Josh Allen played as a rook probably is not relevant to how he will play in 2023. I would look at how he played in 2022, if you want an idea what he will do in 2023. Does this really need explained? I wouldn't laser focus on his most recent one game. His most recent one game, he was 68 rated, the team scored 10 points and lost. Wonder if you have ppl on Bills forum going around posting about a 68 rating and 10 points all offseason, probably so, lil silly if you ask me.

If Josh Allen had only a handful of games of good play how he looked for the majority of his career would absolutely matter.

Cherry picking a 6 game sample out of 50 makes zero sense.

It isn't cherry picking to say he was 92 rated last year. That's taking his most recent year and giving his rating. Cherry picking would be me saying he went for 341 and 3 scores, which apparently is what he did the week prior to the much discussed Week 18.

if TL or any 49er QB had 341 and 3 scores, we would be celebrating most likely, and that was QBing a dumpster fire.

Originally posted by English:
You really think that? Just out of idle curiosity how many quarterbacks did we lose to injury last year? And you think that Lance has his bags packed?

This point keeps getting brought up as if it's Lance or nobody else. Obviously if they were to trade Lance (which, again, I don't think is going to happen) they're going to bring at least one other QB in.

The idea that we can't let him go because we have injury problems is colored by personal feelings about Lance. If you think he's a superstar in waiting, or that he could be a really good player, it's basically unfathomable to trade him. If you don't feel that way (and many people are arguing that the team itself doesn't, or at least that the team can't play and develop him) he can be replaced pretty easily.

We're talking about a player almost everyone agrees needs playing time to develop and see what he actually can become. A player like that isn't necessarily an ideal backup. Certainly not indispensable.

Maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick with lots of experience in college could be a superior option in that kind of role than a developmental player with a high ceiling? And that's not factoring whatever value Trey nets you if you actually trade him. A team willing to trade for* him would theoretically be buying into his potential after all.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by English:
You really think that? Just out of idle curiosity how many quarterbacks did we lose to injury last year? And you think that Lance has his bags packed?

This point keeps getting brought up as if it's Lance or nobody else. Obviously if they were to trade Lance (which, again, I don't think is going to happen) they're going to bring at least one other QB in.

The idea that we can't let him go because we have injury problems is colored by personal feelings about Lance. If you think he's a superstar in waiting, or that he could be a really good player, it's basically unfathomable to trade him. If you don't feel that way (and many people are arguing that the team itself doesn't, or at least that the team can't play and develop him) he can be replaced pretty easily.

We're talking about a player almost everyone agrees needs playing time to develop and see what he actually can become. A player like that isn't necessarily an ideal backup. Certainly not indispensable.

Maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick with lots of experience in college could be a superior option in that kind of role than a developmental player with a high ceiling? And that's not factoring whatever value Trey nets you if you actually trade him. A team willing to trade him would theoretically be buying into his potential after all.

I like the kid from UCLA.. I don't care who we have now, I think he's worth a 4th rounder... who knows, Purdy may have just bee a " Magic Moment " .. but this kid is really good..

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
This point keeps getting brought up as if it's Lance or nobody else. Obviously if they were to trade Lance (which, again, I don't think is going to happen) they're going to bring at least one other QB in.

The idea that we can't let him go because we have injury problems is colored by personal feelings about Lance. If you think he's a superstar in waiting, or that he could be a really good player, it's basically unfathomable to trade him. If you don't feel that way (and many people are arguing that the team itself doesn't, or at least that the team can't play and develop him) he can be replaced pretty easily.

We're talking about a player almost everyone agrees needs playing time to develop and see what he actually can become. A player like that isn't necessarily an ideal backup. Certainly not indispensable.

Maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick with lots of experience in college could be a superior option in that kind of role than a developmental player with a high ceiling? And that's not factoring whatever value Trey nets you if you actually trade him. A team willing to trade him would theoretically be buying into his potential after all.

Very well said

Safe to say no consensus on Lance throwing mechanics lol

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by English:
You really think that? Just out of idle curiosity how many quarterbacks did we lose to injury last year? And you think that Lance has his bags packed?

This point keeps getting brought up as if it's Lance or nobody else. Obviously if they were to trade Lance (which, again, I don't think is going to happen) they're going to bring at least one other QB in.

The idea that we can't let him go because we have injury problems is colored by personal feelings about Lance. If you think he's a superstar in waiting, or that he could be a really good player, it's basically unfathomable to trade him. If you don't feel that way (and many people are arguing that the team itself doesn't, or at least that the team can't play and develop him) he can be replaced pretty easily.

We're talking about a player almost everyone agrees needs playing time to develop and see what he actually can become. A player like that isn't necessarily an ideal backup. Certainly not indispensable.

Maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick with lots of experience in college could be a superior option in that kind of role than a developmental player with a high ceiling? And that's not factoring whatever value Trey nets you if you actually trade him. A team willing to trade for* him would theoretically be buying into his potential after all.

This comment, along with a lot of takes in this thread, comes to the conclusion that Trey is currently not good enough. You're making a definitive statement about what he is NOT and that he's not going to perform at the level of we expected him to after trading 3 first round picks.

IDK how many times this needs to be repeated, but that's clear BIAS.

The most objective take on Lance IMO is that he's an unknown. Saying Lance will be a future star for this team or making claims like you just did stray further from the reality that we don't know yet.

So while yes, many people have argued Trey needs playing time to fulfill his potential, that's not an admission that he's incapable of getting the job done currently. You're making that claim.

Because you could also make the case that trading away a player you drafted with 3 first round picks for a 3rd round pick, shows just as much bias as the the other way around.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
This comment, along with a lot of takes in this thread, comes to the conclusion that Trey is currently not good enough. You're making a definitive statement about what he is NOT and that he's not going to perform at the level of we expected him to after trading 3 first round picks.

IDK how many times this needs to be repeated, but that's clear BIAS.

The most objective take on Lance IMO is that he's an unknown. Saying Lance will be a future star for this team or making claims like you just did stray further from the reality that we don't know yet.

So while yes, many people have argued Trey needs playing time to fulfill his potential, that's not an admission that he's incapable of getting the job done currently. You're making that claim.

Because you could also make the case that trading away a player you drafted with 3 first round picks for a 3rd round pick, shows just as much bias as the the other way around.

What I would say is that the limited evidence available points to him not being good enough while fully acknowledging that the evidence available to us isn't enough to form a definitive conclusion. On the other side of that coin, there is ZERO evidence (not a lot of evidence, not a limited amount) that points to the fact that he is currently good enough. This isn't bias. It's simply analyzing what is available.

The above, and your comments, are really beside the point anyway. It does not matter what you or I or any other fan thinks. The people in the building have a much larger picture of evidence as to what Lance is (not what he could become), than any of us fans do, and I think they have a clearer picture than some would realize. The signals coming out of that building are pretty clear. Some people are better at putting those pieces together than others. *It could not be any clearer that the team is no longer going to play Trey based on his potential. He will play if he's the best player we have*.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It isn't cherry picking to say he was 92 rated last year. That's taking his most recent year and giving his rating. Cherry picking would be me saying he went for 341 and 3 scores, which apparently is what he did the week prior to the much discussed Week 18.

if TL or any 49er QB had 341 and 3 scores, we would be celebrating most likely, and that was QBing a dumpster fire.

But he wasn't 92 rated for a year. He wasnt 92 rated for even half a year. It was 6 games.

If Trey had 341 and 3 scores it'd still be one game. That wouldn't make up for the balance of his other starts because it was most recent.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It isn't cherry picking to say he was 92 rated last year. That's taking his most recent year and giving his rating. Cherry picking would be me saying he went for 341 and 3 scores, which apparently is what he did the week prior to the much discussed Week 18.

if TL or any 49er QB had 341 and 3 scores, we would be celebrating most likely, and that was QBing a dumpster fire.

But he wasn't 92 rated for a year. He wasnt 92 rated for even half a year. It was 6 games.

If Trey had 341 and 3 scores it'd still be one game. That wouldn't make up for the balance of his other starts because it was most recent.

Yeah and I'm taking all of those games, not picking one or two and throwing out the rest.

If you want to do entire career..

you have one guy: 55 starts, 78 rated
another guy: 4 starts, 84 rated

which one do you pick.. it's not obvious to me, based on the above.. and the good thing, the club won't decide from the past box scores, they will get on the field this summer, show what they can do for us

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by English:
You really think that? Just out of idle curiosity how many quarterbacks did we lose to injury last year? And you think that Lance has his bags packed?

This point keeps getting brought up as if it's Lance or nobody else. Obviously if they were to trade Lance (which, again, I don't think is going to happen) they're going to bring at least one other QB in.

The idea that we can't let him go because we have injury problems is colored by personal feelings about Lance. If you think he's a superstar in waiting, or that he could be a really good player, it's basically unfathomable to trade him. If you don't feel that way (and many people are arguing that the team itself doesn't, or at least that the team can't play and develop him) he can be replaced pretty easily.

We're talking about a player almost everyone agrees needs playing time to develop and see what he actually can become. A player like that isn't necessarily an ideal backup. Certainly not indispensable.

Maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick with lots of experience in college could be a superior option in that kind of role than a developmental player with a high ceiling? And that's not factoring whatever value Trey nets you if you actually trade him. A team willing to trade for* him would theoretically be buying into his potential after all.

This comment, along with a lot of takes in this thread, comes to the conclusion that Trey is currently not good enough. You're making a definitive statement about what he is NOT and that he's not going to perform at the level of we expected him to after trading 3 first round picks.

IDK how many times this needs to be repeated, but that's clear BIAS.

The most objective take on Lance IMO is that he's an unknown. Saying Lance will be a future star for this team or making claims like you just did stray further from the reality that we don't know yet.

So while yes, many people have argued Trey needs playing time to fulfill his potential, that's not an admission that he's incapable of getting the job done currently. You're making that claim.

Because you could also make the case that trading away a player you drafted with 3 first round picks for a 3rd round pick, shows just as much bias as the the other way around.

The fact that just about everyone agrees that a player that cost 3 first round picks and is going into his third year of a rookie scale contract with a possible fifth year option has a trade value of a second round pick at best… kind of tells you the player he has been. If he actually played well or showed promise in his few starts, someone would be willing to give up at least a first. A second round pick is on the more optimistic side right now too.

we can say what he currently is just based off of that analysis. We just don't know what he can become if he gets more playing time, he just needs a lot of playing time. He sort of has a double edged sword situation where he's on a very good team that needs to compete week in and out to win it all but he needs more playing time before he becomes reliable in that situation.

star players always find a way to shine, so if that's in him, we will see it this year in camp.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Safe to say no consensus on Lance throwing mechanics lol

The more video we see of Trey Lance working out the easier it is to see his throwing motion hasn't changed. #49ers

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) April 12, 2023

Trey Lance Has Cleaned Up His Lower Half A Ton! No Longer Drops His Hips As He Is Throwing Which In Turn Keeps The Eye Level Even On His Targets. Should Help With Accuracy Cinsistency. pic.twitter.com/jYFhDzupya

— Jessie🎙 (@JNay_LSS) April 11, 2023

Still straightening his front leg before he releases the ball. Needs to keep working. pic.twitter.com/kDQIlLrFQX

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) April 12, 2023

Front leg is bent when the ball is released, then extended afterward. pic.twitter.com/qT5q6u0Ttv

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) April 12, 2023

At left: Trey Lance August 2022 (my video from camp)

At right: Trey Lance April 2023 (IG: prestonsmithphotography)

Huge difference in at least this one throw. Lance is holding/releasing the ball much higher and the motion is clearly quicker. Both fixes have been necessary pic.twitter.com/PeFhukUPcw

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) April 6, 2023

Aesthetically pleasing as Vish would say- Purdy and Jimmy have pretty clean mechanics.

Lance loopy release and locked front leg might be why he had accuracy issues? When you seen him at camp?

— Javier Vega (@JavierVeg_) April 12, 2023

all this offseason overhaul on his mechanics... when under pressure of rushing DL they run home to mama and revert back to how they have always thrown the ball

Originally posted by tankle104:
The fact that just about everyone agrees that a player that cost 3 first round picks and is going into his third year of a rookie scale contract with a possible fifth year option has a trade value of a second round pick at best… kind of tells you the player he has been. If he actually played well or showed promise in his few starts, someone would be willing to give up at least a first. A second round pick is on the more optimistic side right now too.

we can say what he currently is just based off of that analysis. We just don't know what he can become if he gets more playing time, he just needs a lot of playing time. He sort of has a double edged sword situation where he's on a very good team that needs to compete week in and out to win it all but he needs more playing time before he becomes reliable in that situation.

star players always find a way to shine, so if that's in him, we will see it this year in camp.

Everyone doesn't agree with that. In fact I'd argue I have no real idea what he's worth because he hasn't played enough to have a good sense.