Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

This board is so weird.

How some people can definitively and staunchly defend a rookie QB who's literally proven nothing other than that he gets hurt and is completely inexperienced (while some simultaneously have ripped Garoppolo for the same injury woes) baffles me.

The detractors of Lance (at least I think many of them) aren't attacking the guy, they're just saying that based off of injury history, lack of experience and reps at the college and professional level, and the actions/words of the front office and coaching staff signing Darnold and saying it's Purdy's job to lose....(coupled with a QB in Purdy who looked reallly good and didn't lose a game he finished as a 7th round rookie against some great teams, tough environments, and 2 playoff games), says all we need to know.

The Lance project really hit an end before it began for all those factors. His only realistic chance on this team is to completely WOW the team and coaching staff with other worldly play, on every play, in practice. And even then it's a long shot...because it's practice.

It's just a situational thing. And it sucks for Lance. I said it before, and I think others would agree, that I saw his career ending before it began in week 2 with that ankle snap. Even then, who's to say he'd have remained a starter the whole season. Most of the commentary from coaches and players were "he's getting there" "he's got a bright future" "we're excited to see what he has to offer".

Juxtapose that with what they said about Brock. It's not denigrating Lance; it's just that Brock delivered on a team of young vets that wants and are ready to win. It was very clear that those guys were concerned that they were going to slide through a 500 season or worse with Lance as he learned on the job and they didn't want that.

It's pretty simple and not a matter of liking or hating a guy. I literally have no feelings for Lance other than empathy and pity. But to blindly project this guy is going to suddenly blow people away and be an immediate star despite all the aforementioned just based on like 8 games at South Dakota State and his position as a #3 pick is kinda ridiculous. Zach Wilson went before him. JaMarcus Russell was #1. Nothing about draft position indicates who you are or will be. And the only reason people think he can be a huge talent is because of the 49ers' desperation, gross reach, and the 3 first-round price they paid.

And if you follow this team, you know that outside of Bosa (who everyone woulda picked except a few delusionals who thought Quinnen Williams was the guy), this team stinks in the first round/top of the first.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
This board is so weird.

How some people can definitively and staunchly defend a rookie QB who's literally proven nothing other than that he gets hurt and is completely inexperienced (while some simultaneously have ripped Garoppolo for the same injury woes) baffles me.

The detractors of Lance (at least I think many of them) aren't attacking the guy, they're just saying that based off of injury history, lack of experience and reps at the college and professional level, and the actions/words of the front office and coaching staff signing Darnold and saying it's Purdy's job to lose....(coupled with a QB in Purdy who looked reallly good and didn't lose a game he finished as a 7th round rookie against some great teams, tough environments, and 2 playoff games), says all we need to know.

The Lance project really hit an end before it began for all those factors. His only realistic chance on this team is to completely WOW the team and coaching staff with other worldly play, on every play, in practice. And even then it's a long shot...because it's practice.

It's just a situational thing. And it sucks for Lance. I said it before, and I think others would agree, that I saw his career ending before it began in week 2 with that ankle snap. Even then, who's to say he'd have remained a starter the whole season. Most of the commentary from coaches and players were "he's getting there" "he's got a bright future" "we're excited to see what he has to offer".

Juxtapose that with what they said about Brock. It's not denigrating Lance; it's just that Brock delivered on a team of young vets that wants and are ready to win. It was very clear that those guys were concerned that they were going to slide through a 500 season or worse with Lance as he learned on the job and they didn't want that.

It's pretty simple and not a matter of liking or hating a guy. I literally have no feelings for Lance other than empathy and pity. But to blindly project this guy is going to suddenly blow people away and be an immediate star despite all the aforementioned just based on like 8 games at South Dakota State and his position as a #3 pick is kinda ridiculous. Zach Wilson went before him. JaMarcus Russell was #1. Nothing about draft position indicates who you are or will be. And the only reason people think he can be a huge talent is because of the 49ers' desperation, gross reach, and the 3 first-round price they paid.

And if you follow this team, you know that outside of Bosa (who everyone woulda picked except a few delusionals who thought Quinnen Williams was the guy), this team stinks in the first round/top of the first.

I agree 1000% with what you said, all of it. You articulated it very well.

it's not a matter of having anything against Lance. It's more of not having rose colored lenses on, looking at the situation objectively, while analyzing Lance and his situation.

If Purdy played like a normal 7th round rookie last year, our current QB room would be a complete joke and unknown.

it's not impossible for Lance to make a massive leap, assuming he stays healthy, but it is a long shot. It was always a long shot. Not something anyone should want to bank our season on. He's currently fighting for QB2 on the roster and until Brock shows he isn't the answer/bad recovery, that's the situation.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
This board is so weird.

How some people can definitively and staunchly defend a rookie QB who's literally proven nothing other than that he gets hurt and is completely inexperienced (while some simultaneously have ripped Garoppolo for the same injury woes) baffles me.

The detractors of Lance (at least I think many of them) aren't attacking the guy, they're just saying that based off of injury history, lack of experience and reps at the college and professional level, and the actions/words of the front office and coaching staff signing Darnold and saying it's Purdy's job to lose....(coupled with a QB in Purdy who looked reallly good and didn't lose a game he finished as a 7th round rookie against some great teams, tough environments, and 2 playoff games), says all we need to know.

The Lance project really hit an end before it began for all those factors. His only realistic chance on this team is to completely WOW the team and coaching staff with other worldly play, on every play, in practice. And even then it's a long shot...because it's practice.

It's just a situational thing. And it sucks for Lance. I said it before, and I think others would agree, that I saw his career ending before it began in week 2 with that ankle snap. Even then, who's to say he'd have remained a starter the whole season. Most of the commentary from coaches and players were "he's getting there" "he's got a bright future" "we're excited to see what he has to offer".

Juxtapose that with what they said about Brock. It's not denigrating Lance; it's just that Brock delivered on a team of young vets that wants and are ready to win. It was very clear that those guys were concerned that they were going to slide through a 500 season or worse with Lance as he learned on the job and they didn't want that.

It's pretty simple and not a matter of liking or hating a guy. I literally have no feelings for Lance other than empathy and pity. But to blindly project this guy is going to suddenly blow people away and be an immediate star despite all the aforementioned just based on like 8 games at South Dakota State and his position as a #3 pick is kinda ridiculous. Zach Wilson went before him. JaMarcus Russell was #1. Nothing about draft position indicates who you are or will be. And the only reason people think he can be a huge talent is because of the 49ers' desperation, gross reach, and the 3 first-round price they paid.

And if you follow this team, you know that outside of Bosa (who everyone woulda picked except a few delusionals who thought Quinnen Williams was the guy), this team stinks in the first round/top of the first.

I agree 1000% with what you said, all of it. You articulated it very well.

it's not a matter of having anything against Lance. It's more of not having rose colored lenses on, looking at the situation objectively, while analyzing Lance and his situation.

If Purdy played like a normal 7th round rookie last year, our current QB room would be a complete joke and unknown.

it's not impossible for Lance to make a massive leap, assuming he stays healthy, but it is a long shot. It was always a long shot. Not something anyone should want to bank our season on. He's currently fighting for QB2 on the roster and until Brock shows he isn't the answer/bad recovery, that's the situation.

Agreed. While I didn't agree with moving up to no 3 in that draft for ANY QB given the price they paid and who was there...of the options, I wanted them to take Lance.

I'm not rooting against him by any means. I'll root for any Niners QB. If he sets the world on fire and looks unstoppable in camp, it's a good thing all around...for him and for the team.

I just can't possibly begin to foresee anything like that happening. It feels like an impossibility in SF given his trajectory and misfortune so far. His best shot is a fresh slate on another team. Even then, I just somehow don't see it because i feel like the injuries and early experience may have set him up for failure physically and mentally.

The most publicity this guy has is always in a disparaging light....Lance is hurt, Purdy took his job, Lance's future in jeopardy, is Lance a bust?

and the biggest, latest headline and his most viral so far, you ask?.....

A pic of the poor guy's woefully receding hairline at age 22 and commenters roasting him about early baldness and telling him to give it up and shave it.

That's A f**k TON for a 22 year old kid to overcome. Rooting for him but man, it's not reasonable or prudent to bank on him at this stage of the game.

Then again, him setting the world on fire with another team would be VINTAGE/TYPICAL 49ers' luck. So there's that.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
This board is so weird.

How some people can definitively and staunchly defend a rookie QB who's literally proven nothing other than that he gets hurt and is completely inexperienced (while some simultaneously have ripped Garoppolo for the same injury woes) baffles me.

The detractors of Lance (at least I think many of them) aren't attacking the guy, they're just saying that based off of injury history, lack of experience and reps at the college and professional level, and the actions/words of the front office and coaching staff signing Darnold and saying it's Purdy's job to lose....(coupled with a QB in Purdy who looked reallly good and didn't lose a game he finished as a 7th round rookie against some great teams, tough environments, and 2 playoff games), says all we need to know.

The Lance project really hit an end before it began for all those factors. His only realistic chance on this team is to completely WOW the team and coaching staff with other worldly play, on every play, in practice. And even then it's a long shot...because it's practice.

It's just a situational thing. And it sucks for Lance. I said it before, and I think others would agree, that I saw his career ending before it began in week 2 with that ankle snap. Even then, who's to say he'd have remained a starter the whole season. Most of the commentary from coaches and players were "he's getting there" "he's got a bright future" "we're excited to see what he has to offer".

Juxtapose that with what they said about Brock. It's not denigrating Lance; it's just that Brock delivered on a team of young vets that wants and are ready to win. It was very clear that those guys were concerned that they were going to slide through a 500 season or worse with Lance as he learned on the job and they didn't want that.

It's pretty simple and not a matter of liking or hating a guy. I literally have no feelings for Lance other than empathy and pity. But to blindly project this guy is going to suddenly blow people away and be an immediate star despite all the aforementioned just based on like 8 games at South Dakota State and his position as a #3 pick is kinda ridiculous. Zach Wilson went before him. JaMarcus Russell was #1. Nothing about draft position indicates who you are or will be. And the only reason people think he can be a huge talent is because of the 49ers' desperation, gross reach, and the 3 first-round price they paid.

And if you follow this team, you know that outside of Bosa (who everyone woulda picked except a few delusionals who thought Quinnen Williams was the guy), this team stinks in the first round/top of the first.

Like flippin DUH. Were they (the coaching staff/fo) saying the things they do about Purdy prior to his performance? Nope. He's EARNED the praise he's gotten, and Lance has yet to earn any, but that doesn't mean the team doesn't believe in his potential or his ability. People have Brock penciled in and rightfully so, BUT he's only done it for 7 games and he's inured with an injury that could affect the way he plays after recovery. We have proof that the team has been less than effusive for players they are trying to motivate yet still believe in (Aiyuk). Why does it have to be so damn black and white? Why can't the team really genuinely believe that if Purdy returns to form they have a very good starter and still believe Lance has something to offer? I thought Jimmy G was going to be the next coming after the way he finished the 17 season and as well all know, not so much. Let's just pump the brakes anointing Purdy, let's not rush him back and even if that means that god forbid Lance has to start some games then so be it. I can't believe the draft isn't even here yet, this offseason is going to be so dumb.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
This board is so weird.

How some people can definitively and staunchly defend a rookie QB who's literally proven nothing other than that he gets hurt and is completely inexperienced (while some simultaneously have ripped Garoppolo for the same injury woes) baffles me.

The detractors of Lance (at least I think many of them) aren't attacking the guy, they're just saying that based off of injury history, lack of experience and reps at the college and professional level, and the actions/words of the front office and coaching staff signing Darnold and saying it's Purdy's job to lose....(coupled with a QB in Purdy who looked reallly good and didn't lose a game he finished as a 7th round rookie against some great teams, tough environments, and 2 playoff games), says all we need to know.

The Lance project really hit an end before it began for all those factors. His only realistic chance on this team is to completely WOW the team and coaching staff with other worldly play, on every play, in practice. And even then it's a long shot...because it's practice.

It's just a situational thing. And it sucks for Lance. I said it before, and I think others would agree, that I saw his career ending before it began in week 2 with that ankle snap. Even then, who's to say he'd have remained a starter the whole season. Most of the commentary from coaches and players were "he's getting there" "he's got a bright future" "we're excited to see what he has to offer".

Juxtapose that with what they said about Brock. It's not denigrating Lance; it's just that Brock delivered on a team of young vets that wants and are ready to win. It was very clear that those guys were concerned that they were going to slide through a 500 season or worse with Lance as he learned on the job and they didn't want that.

It's pretty simple and not a matter of liking or hating a guy. I literally have no feelings for Lance other than empathy and pity. But to blindly project this guy is going to suddenly blow people away and be an immediate star despite all the aforementioned just based on like 8 games at South Dakota State and his position as a #3 pick is kinda ridiculous. Zach Wilson went before him. JaMarcus Russell was #1. Nothing about draft position indicates who you are or will be. And the only reason people think he can be a huge talent is because of the 49ers' desperation, gross reach, and the 3 first-round price they paid.

And if you follow this team, you know that outside of Bosa (who everyone woulda picked except a few delusionals who thought Quinnen Williams was the guy), this team stinks in the first round/top of the first.

Like flippin DUH. Were they (the coaching staff/fo) saying the things they do about Purdy prior to his performance? Nope. He's EARNED the praise he's gotten, and Lance has yet to earn any, but that doesn't mean the team doesn't believe in his potential or his ability. People have Brock penciled in and rightfully so, BUT he's only done it for 7 games and he's inured with an injury that could affect the way he plays after recovery. We have proof that the team has been less than effusive for players they are trying to motivate yet still believe in (Aiyuk). Why does it have to be so damn black and white? Why can't the team really genuinely believe that if Purdy returns to form they have a very good starter and still believe Lance has something to offer? I thought Jimmy G was going to be the next coming after the way he finished the 17 season and as well all know, not so much. Let's just pump the brakes anointing Purdy, let's not rush him back and even if that means that god forbid Lance has to start some games then so be it. I can't believe the draft isn't even here yet, this offseason is going to be so dumb.

Totally agree. But you can't compare Jimmy's five games in garbage time during a losing season with Brock's 8 that spanned regular season and post season in big moments and huge games. So while I get where you're going (and believe me, i was gung ho on Jimmy after 2017 too) that's a huge distinction.

plus, for all the crap he gets, Jimmy wasn't all that bad. He won or was part of (however much you wanna debate his role) a hell of a lot of wins for this team and had two deep playoff runs, and was poised for another which, ironically, Brock led the charge on once he went down.

Lance is gonna have the opportunity but the hope is that Purdy is ready to roll regular season and if so, he's not gonna have the chance to unseat him unless Purdy struggles or doesn't return in time for the opener/first several games.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Totally agree. But you can't compare Jimmy's five games in garbage time during a losing season with Brock's 8 that spanned regular season and post season in big moments and huge games. So while I get where you're going (and believe me, i was gung ho on Jimmy after 2017 too) that's a huge distinction.

plus, for all the crap he gets, Jimmy wasn't all that bad. He won or was part of (however much you wanna debate his role) a hell of a lot of wins for this team and had two deep playoff runs, and was poised for another which, ironically, Brock led the charge on once he went down.

Lance is gonna have the opportunity but the hope is that Purdy is ready to roll regular season and if so, he's not gonna have the chance to unseat him unless Purdy struggles or doesn't return in time for the opener/first several games.

I'm getting pretty tired of this take which is not only lazy, but inaccurate. Those games weren't meaningless as one content creator recently opined and they weren't garbage time wins. It isn't difficult to make the argument that it was that five game stretch that helped lead the team to where they are now. Three of those wins came against teams that were headed to the playoffs that year. As I recall only one of them came against a team that was maybe holding some of their starters out. It was that stretch of games that helped validate what Kyle had been trying to do offensively but hadn't been able to accomplish because of the poor play of everybody else he had at that position.

It also helped the players buy into what Kyle was trying to do and showed them if they stuck with the plan they could win. Arik Armstead has gone on record as saying that one of the reasons they locker room liked Jimmy so much was because he helped get them out of that cycle of losing. If you go back and look at some of the media clips surrounding those games you can see Jimmy on the sideline talking up his wide receivers, telling them that the opposing team can't handle what they're giving them. As a result of those five games Jimmy emerged as a leader on the team and gave them someone to rally around. The fact that they ended up going nowhere when he got hurt the next year and then went to the Super Bowl the following year probably only solidified his standing on the team.

I make no bones about the fact that I liked having Jimmy as the QB. He had his shortcomings but he helped the team win more than he caused them to lose and he always tried to represent the franchise like a pro. I have no complaints about his time here. I hated seeing him go to the Raiders because I don't think McDaniel is going to be a very good head coach and because I haven't liked the Raiders since the days of John Madden and Snake Stabler. I hope he has some success there though.

Now the team has a new QB room with some interesting components. The young gunslinger coming off a pretty bad injury, a big armed but inexperienced player with a lot to prove and a young vet who was in need of a fresh start to try and reclaim his career. Should make for an interesting off season. Go Niners!

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol my goodness. You really don't think practicing with other players helps? How utterly embarrassing.

Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes and his personal passing coach, Jeff Christensen, seemingly gave all their secrets away to San Francisco 49ers QB Trey Lance over the weekend.

Lance, 22, has little to show for in three season since joining the NFL, largely due to battling multiple injuries.

Christensen, 63, worked with Jimmy Garoppolo in high school, turning him from a pitcher into a quarterback, who has earned over $120 million in his NFL career.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.marca.com/en/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/2023/04/11/64348ffa46163fbf268b45d6.html

For me working out with Mahomes did nothing for me. Then I started thinking the one positive I could see coming form that would be him getting a feel from what Mahomes does work on or how he works. You posting this about getting tips from his passing coach is a positive. However, it could also be a negative.

It seems since 2019 Trey has been with a different passing coach each offseason. When you are trying to build consistency, one would think it would be hard to do so if you are being coached differently every year. Now obviously, I don't know how different if at all he is being coached but you would think everyone has their own way of doing things. IMO, it would be in his best interest to find one guy and stick with him.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol my goodness. You really don't think practicing with other players helps? How utterly embarrassing.

Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes and his personal passing coach, Jeff Christensen, seemingly gave all their secrets away to San Francisco 49ers QB Trey Lance over the weekend.

Lance, 22, has little to show for in three season since joining the NFL, largely due to battling multiple injuries.

Christensen, 63, worked with Jimmy Garoppolo in high school, turning him from a pitcher into a quarterback, who has earned over $120 million in his NFL career.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.marca.com/en/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/2023/04/11/64348ffa46163fbf268b45d6.html

For me working out with Mahomes did nothing for me. Then I started thinking the one positive I could see coming form that would be him getting a feel from what Mahomes does work on or how he works. You posting this about getting tips from his passing coach is a positive. However, it could also be a negative.

It seems since 2019 Trey has been with a different passing coach each offseason. When you are trying to build consistency, one would think it would be hard to do so if you are being coached differently every year. Now obviously, I don't know how different if at all he is being coached but you would think everyone has their own way of doing things. IMO, it would be in his best interest to find one guy and stick with him.

MJ took Kobe under his wing. It seemed to work out for the Black Mamba. If you want to be the best it ain't a bad idea to learn from the best. The best rarely give you the time of day unless they can see the same drive within you. It is a good idea for Trey to do all he can because he is starting from QB2 as is

Let's hope, Trey finds a new home, some where - and it's a happy ending for all.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by WINiner:
When one is looking to learn from someone in an effort to improve, people generally seek out the suck of their profession to do so with . You guys have to be kidding me with this s**t. Do you honestly believe the BS that you type out and submit here regularly?

Wake up and smell the coffee, WiNiner.

What does this even mean lol

Trey needs to play, not seek advice from Mahomes.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by WINiner:
When one is looking to learn from someone in an effort to improve, people generally seek out the suck of their profession to do so with . You guys have to be kidding me with this s**t. Do you honestly believe the BS that you type out and submit here regularly?

Wake up and smell the coffee, WiNiner.

What does this even mean lol

Trey needs to play, not seek advice from Mahomes.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT 6 rushes for 32 yards and 2 fumbles(not lost though)

If that's what you consider his best play...well yikes.

Nothing disingenuous at all about cherry picking someones worst statline from a single afternoon and putting it up as a fair representation of their 'best play'

Do you have any idea what happened in the game you refer to? Did you actually watch it? Or do you just post the stats?

I see he did get credit on that one for a GW drive. I think the season is more representative of his ability than your post is. TL would agree, I wouldn't watch the CHI game and say, that's TLs best ball. Far from it. Look at the HOU game.

I just don't understand how you can knock Darnolds play but praise Lance? Sure it's been a small sample size but it isn't like he's done well himself either.

why are people so threatened by darnold when it comes to Lance? If he's as special as some claim, he will blow darnold out of the water. Shouldn't even be worried about it.

I'm not praising Lance, I'm simply taking issue with the narrative by some of you guys who act like he played awful.

Darnold has had several awful games on tape and has a 55 game sample size showing he's not the guy he was thought to be at his draft spot.

Lance has had 4 starts, 3 where he actually finished and the single game where he wasn't a 21 year old rookie was in monsoon level game where nobody would look good passing the ball.

It's simply pointing out that Trey is far from a finished product. He may very well turn out to suck but there is a major difference in the two former 3rd ovearll picks. One has a much bigger sample size and a lot more games on tape which actually hurt teams from winning.

And as for "cherry picking" someone's worst statline...I assure you that wasn't his worst game.

That would be the 11/32 86 yards 0 TD, 4 INT -1 rushing yards 1 fumble lost game vs the Patriots(I believe that was the I see ghosts game)

The game I so called "cherry picked" was LITERALLY his LAST game.

And that's the point. Some of you guys are more comfortable going with Darnold if Purdy isn't healthy than Lance and yet from the two guys the one who has real stinkers on his resume is the one you're more confident in getting us wins.

Originally posted by bigpete50:
I agree. IMHO, this has nothing to do with Treys abilities and has everything to do with whether Trey is a good fit for Kyle's offense. That's it. No need to over think things. Can Trey grow into that role? Maybe! But are the Niners patient enough to allow Trey to develop? I'm not totally convinced they are that patient.

Trey did catch a break with Purdys injury in that he'll be able to compete with Darnold for the starting job but even that is not a given.

But don't think for a second that Kyle will haphazardly toss the car keys to Trey and say "the job is all yours." That happened last year and the team offense looked…..well clunky!

One thing for certain, Kyle and John are hoping and praying for Purdys full recovery. If and when that happens, Trey will again be an afterthought.

Trey fans loathe hearing this but the Niners QB job is now Purdys job to lose.

Any way you slice it, it's a mess.

Why are you acting like Trey Lance is Colin Kaepernick?

Kyle Shanahan moved up to #3 to select the kid but we're wondering if he's not a fit? If they move Trey right now that should frighten people because it means as good as Kyle is with his system he can't evaluate QBs for sh*t!

It means we overlooked Mahomes and Watson for the great Kirk Cousins(once again a move I can't hate too much given the state of our roster at the time and the known commodity of Cousins) but now it would mean we wiffed so bad on Lance's evaluation that after 2 years and one of them being a week 2 season ending injury they were already out on Trey. Them lucking into Purdy doesn't change anything and if god forbid Brock can't come back the same player he was last season and stay that way long term...I would have 0 trust in Kyle getting another big QB move correct via the draft.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT 6 rushes for 32 yards and 2 fumbles(not lost though)

If that's what you consider his best play...well yikes.

Nothing disingenuous at all about cherry picking someones worst statline from a single afternoon and putting it up as a fair representation of their 'best play'

Do you have any idea what happened in the game you refer to? Did you actually watch it? Or do you just post the stats?

I see he did get credit on that one for a GW drive. I think the season is more representative of his ability than your post is. TL would agree, I wouldn't watch the CHI game and say, that's TLs best ball. Far from it. Look at the HOU game.

I just don't understand how you can knock Darnolds play but praise Lance? Sure it's been a small sample size but it isn't like he's done well himself either.

why are people so threatened by darnold when it comes to Lance? If he's as special as some claim, he will blow darnold out of the water. Shouldn't even be worried about it.

I'm not praising Lance, I'm simply taking issue with the narrative by some of you guys who act like he played awful.

Darnold has had several awful games on tape and has a 55 game sample size showing he's not the guy he was thought to be at his draft spot.

Lance has had 4 starts, 3 where he actually finished and the single game where he wasn't a 21 year old rookie was in monsoon level game where nobody would look good passing the ball.

It's simply pointing out that Trey is far from a finished product. He may very well turn out to suck but there is a major difference in the two former 3rd ovearll picks. One has a much bigger sample size and a lot more games on tape which actually hurt teams from winning.

And as for "cherry picking" someone's worst statline...I assure you that wasn't his worst game.

That would be the 11/32 86 yards 0 TD, 4 INT -1 rushing yards 1 fumble lost game vs the Patriots(I believe that was the I see ghosts game)

The game I so called "cherry picked" was LITERALLY his LAST game.

And that's the point. Some of you guys are more comfortable going with Darnold if Purdy isn't healthy than Lance and yet from the two guys the one who has real stinkers on his resume is the one you're more confident in getting us wins.

Jimmy has had some stinkers and he still has higher value than Trey. Stinkers will happen when you're a starting QB. Im one of those that trusts Darnold more than Trey. Trey can show me he's better this offseason, but I've honestly never seen it and I'm not just going to assume.

Just because there's not a lot of film doesn't mean Trey is better than Darnold. I can use that logic and say my sister would be a better option than Darnold because of his stinkers. That logic isn't sound.

Originally posted by genus49:
Why are you acting like Trey Lance is Colin Kaepernick?

Kyle Shanahan moved up to #3 to select the kid but we're wondering if he's not a fit? If they move Trey right now that should frighten people because it means as good as Kyle is with his system he can't evaluate QBs for sh*t!

It means we overlooked Mahomes and Watson for the great Kirk Cousins(once again a move I can't hate too much given the state of our roster at the time and the known commodity of Cousins) but now it would mean we wiffed so bad on Lance's evaluation that after 2 years and one of them being a week 2 season ending injury they were already out on Trey. Them lucking into Purdy doesn't change anything and if god forbid Brock can't come back the same player he was last season and stay that way long term...I would have 0 trust in Kyle getting another big QB move correct via the draft.

I disagree with the 1st statement. I think Kyle knew Trey wasn't a fit before he was drafted. He tried adjusting his system and personnel as stated by a couple posters in this very thread. One I know being THL.

As for your last part, I think if anything lucking into Purdy instills even more confidence in Kyle being able to find another guy if Purdy doesn't turns out to be that guy. The tangibles needed to run Kyle's offense isn't the tangibles the GMs around the league covets the most. Which means we'll continue to have cracks at find the "next Brock Purdy" we don't need to be at the top of the draft for that physical specimen. That being said, the Commanders appear to be trying our strategy by giving the reigns to a similar QB in Sam Howell. That with a pretty stout defense. If Howell and the commanders have success, I could see a new trend developing. Especially if Baltimore does draft Stetson Bennett to go with Georgia's OC and he too has success.