Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:
You think a season ending injury in week 2 year 2 and the first season he was supposed to be QB1 has something to do with the lack of evaluation? I mean you wrote that out like you were doing something. The kid is turning 23 next month and you're over here acting like he's a finished product.

And when did the team say they were going to get rid of Trey? They say the same BS they always say "we'll listen to any offer and take it if the right oneyou comes along even if it's us being traded" those talking points seem to be ignored but other stupid tidbits are under a microscope and turned into "team has no room for Lance and he'll never get an opportunity to play here"

...as if we didn't just watch this team end up on QB5ish to end our season.

Trading a young QB with still so much growth potential on a rookie deal would be negligent. You think the QB room would be good? It would instantly go to this:
Brock Purdy - not cleared to throw yet. No clue if he'll be back for week 1
Sam Darnold - has his share of injuries and missing time, 55 games of inconsistency and some awful play...and someone who has never stepped foot in this huddle and never played with this team before.

Sounds like a recipe for success!

1. Not getting into that conversation anymore I stated my opinion. That question has already been answered.

2. No where did I say they were. I even stated speaking hypothetically. You say they say the same BS yet last year their quote "I'd be a fool to trade Deebo" he doesn't appear to think he'd be a fool to trade Trey.

3. Again with this how many QBs we used last year. Yes we used a lot. Trading Trey doesn't mean we're going into the season with just a healthy Sam. I promise you there are more QBs in the league than just Trey.

4. You start your post off talking about Trey's injury. You finish it by listing the injuries of the other QBs as a reason for keeping Trey. So if Brock's injury and Sam's injury history is a reason for concern. Then why the hell is Trey vehemently worth keeping? Why do you not look at his injury history the same? You say that is the reason for his lack of evaluation so couldn't his health history be a concern? Wasn't he part of the reason we used "QB5ish"

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

It is ridiculous, which shows that the logic you use to say Darnold is worse than Trey isn't sound. I can easily apply that logic to my sister. Darnold sucked so I'm just going to assume my sister's better, even though there's 0 proof of that

Darnold has 55 starts in this league. 55...how many does your sister have?

4 starts for Lance is enough for you to think he's not a good QB but 55 starts from Darnold tells you he's better than Trey in this offense.

How did our Josh Rosen reclamation project work?

She doesn't need starts. She doesn't need any proof at all actually. Darnold has sucked for 55 starts so I'm just going to assume she's better and has more potential

I don't think the team is actively trying to trade Lance, but I also think the team knows this off season/year is when his trade value will be the highest without playing. So I think the team has put themselves in a position to trade him if he doesn't have a material improvement during camp and the right offer shows up. Remember, other teams get injuries too and someone might want him more than they do today. I highly highly doubt he gets traded anytime sooner than the end of camp, if he ever does.

in other words, it's on Lance in camp this year.
- I think the team has been very strategic on the words they've used regarding the QBs this off season in and effort to gauge his trade value while also giving trey a chance to earn a shot.
- if Lance has a really good camp, I think the team doesn't consider trading him and keep rolling with him at QB2.
- if he has another camp with a lot of inconsistencies, they'll be more willing to listen to offers.
- it also depends on how Purdy's recovery is going. That'll play a big part in it.
- I think the team still really likes him but also has concerns about his development.
- I also think the team put themselves in a position with darnold and his contract to where if they do trade Lance for some reason, it won't overly hurt the team. This is a smart team running the cap - I don't think it's a coincidence that Darnold's cap # is the exact amount we would save in a post June 1 trade of Lance.
- there is the possibility that if Lance has a good camp, we trade darnold and fill his spot with a young qb we draft/UDFA.

all of these things can be true at the same time. All cards are on the table and this is a smart front office that has set themselves up to take ALL the routes discussed on here. It's really dependent on how Lance plays in camp and Purdys recovery.

overall, I don't know if the team is leaning one way or the other, but they've set themselves up for both routes and they're putting all the pressure on Lance to perform in camp and that'll decide which route they eventually take.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't think the team is actively trying to trade Lance, but I also think the team knows this off season/year is when his trade value will be the highest without playing. So I think the team has put themselves in a position to trade him if he doesn't have a material improvement during camp and the right offer shows up. Remember, other teams get injuries too and someone might want him more than they do today. I highly highly doubt he gets traded anytime sooner than the end of camp, if he ever does.

in other words, it's on Lance in camp this year.
- I think the team has been very strategic on the words they've used regarding the QBs this off season in and effort to gauge his trade value while also giving trey a chance to earn a shot.
- if Lance has a really good camp, I think the team doesn't consider trading him and keep rolling with him at QB2.
- if he has another camp with a lot of inconsistencies, they'll be more willing to listen to offers.
- it also depends on how Purdy's recovery is going. That'll play a big part in it.
- I think the team still really likes him but also has concerns about his development.
- I also think the team put themselves in a position with darnold and his contract to where if they do trade Lance for some reason, it won't overly hurt the team. This is a smart team running the cap - I don't think it's a coincidence that Darnold's cap # is the exact amount we would save in a post June 1 trade of Lance.
- there is the possibility that if Lance has a good camp, we trade darnold and fill his spot with a young qb we draft/UDFA.

all of these things can be true at the same time. All cards are on the table and this is a smart front office that has set themselves up to take ALL the routes discussed on here. It's really dependent on how Lance plays in camp and Purdys recovery.

overall, I don't know if the team is leaning one way or the other, but they've set themselves up for both routes and they're putting all the pressure on Lance to perform in camp and that'll decide which route they eventually take.

he needs to get a chip on his shoulder, come in and compete. mentality is I am taking this job, nothing given

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't think the team is actively trying to trade Lance, but I also think the team knows this off season/year is when his trade value will be the highest without playing. So I think the team has put themselves in a position to trade him if he doesn't have a material improvement during camp and the right offer shows up. Remember, other teams get injuries too and someone might want him more than they do today. I highly highly doubt he gets traded anytime sooner than the end of camp, if he ever does.

in other words, it's on Lance in camp this year.
- I think the team has been very strategic on the words they've used regarding the QBs this off season in and effort to gauge his trade value while also giving trey a chance to earn a shot.
- if Lance has a really good camp, I think the team doesn't consider trading him and keep rolling with him at QB2.
- if he has another camp with a lot of inconsistencies, they'll be more willing to listen to offers.
- it also depends on how Purdy's recovery is going. That'll play a big part in it.
- I think the team still really likes him but also has concerns about his development.
- I also think the team put themselves in a position with darnold and his contract to where if they do trade Lance for some reason, it won't overly hurt the team. This is a smart team running the cap - I don't think it's a coincidence that Darnold's cap # is the exact amount we would save in a post June 1 trade of Lance.
- there is the possibility that if Lance has a good camp, we trade darnold and fill his spot with a young qb we draft/UDFA.

all of these things can be true at the same time. All cards are on the table and this is a smart front office that has set themselves up to take ALL the routes discussed on here. It's really dependent on how Lance plays in camp and Purdys recovery.

overall, I don't know if the team is leaning one way or the other, but they've set themselves up for both routes and they're putting all the pressure on Lance to perform in camp and that'll decide which route they eventually take.

he needs to get a chip on his shoulder, come in and compete. mentality is I am taking this job, nothing given

He absolutely should, I think professional players in general should think that way. Pro sport spots are a privilege and highly coveted, literally life changing money, with tons of guys coming to take your spot every year. It's brutal but it's the reality of it.

when you listen to a lot of the greats across pro sports in general, they tend to have that "you'll have to pry it from my dead, cold fingers, if you want my spot."
it's why you tend to see great nfl QBs not be too willing to help out younger QBs that the team drafts. It's the "I'm not helping you take my job" mentality.

Lance seems to be working hard and taking this serious, I'm sure the team has talked to him about this. They're pretty direct with the players, especially in comparison to most teams. So, I don't think this is some shock.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't think the team is actively trying to trade Lance, but I also think the team knows this off season/year is when his trade value will be the highest without playing. So I think the team has put themselves in a position to trade him if he doesn't have a material improvement during camp and the right offer shows up. Remember, other teams get injuries too and someone might want him more than they do today. I highly highly doubt he gets traded anytime sooner than the end of camp, if he ever does.

in other words, it's on Lance in camp this year.
- I think the team has been very strategic on the words they've used regarding the QBs this off season in and effort to gauge his trade value while also giving trey a chance to earn a shot.
- if Lance has a really good camp, I think the team doesn't consider trading him and keep rolling with him at QB2.
- if he has another camp with a lot of inconsistencies, they'll be more willing to listen to offers.
- it also depends on how Purdy's recovery is going. That'll play a big part in it.
- I think the team still really likes him but also has concerns about his development.
- I also think the team put themselves in a position with darnold and his contract to where if they do trade Lance for some reason, it won't overly hurt the team. This is a smart team running the cap - I don't think it's a coincidence that Darnold's cap # is the exact amount we would save in a post June 1 trade of Lance.
- there is the possibility that if Lance has a good camp, we trade darnold and fill his spot with a young qb we draft/UDFA.

all of these things can be true at the same time. All cards are on the table and this is a smart front office that has set themselves up to take ALL the routes discussed on here. It's really dependent on how Lance plays in camp and Purdys recovery.

overall, I don't know if the team is leaning one way or the other, but they've set themselves up for both routes and they're putting all the pressure on Lance to perform in camp and that'll decide which route they eventually take.

This is a really good post. Still working on my response to Smokey, but this is part of it.

There's a difference between saying you think something vs saying something is true. It may be true regardless, but if you're making a definitive claim you have to provide the evidence. The post above is exactly what I hope this thread can do more of.

Nicely done Tankle.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
He really is all over the place right now getting publicity. I wonder why?

Because you and your gang wont stop posting about him.

I have yet to see him release an article or do a podcast these past couple of weeks.

So uhhh,.....It's not publicity at all if you'd just let his name rest a lil.

😩😩😩

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It is ridiculous, which shows that the logic you use to say Darnold is worse than Trey isn't sound. I can easily apply that logic to my sister. Darnold sucked so I'm just going to assume my sister's better, even though there's 0 proof of that

Darnold has 55 starts in this league. 55...how many does your sister have?

4 starts for Lance is enough for you to think he's not a good QB but 55 starts from Darnold tells you he's better than Trey in this offense.

How did our Josh Rosen reclamation project work?

She doesn't need starts. She doesn't need any proof at all actually. Darnold has sucked for 55 starts so I'm just going to assume she's better and has more potential

I thought your posts were dumb before but now you're just taking it to another level.

We get it your sister > Darnold > Lance. Giving Charlie Sheen a bad name.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It is ridiculous, which shows that the logic you use to say Darnold is worse than Trey isn't sound. I can easily apply that logic to my sister. Darnold sucked so I'm just going to assume my sister's better, even though there's 0 proof of that

Darnold has 55 starts in this league. 55...how many does your sister have?

4 starts for Lance is enough for you to think he's not a good QB but 55 starts from Darnold tells you he's better than Trey in this offense.

How did our Josh Rosen reclamation project work?

She doesn't need starts. She doesn't need any proof at all actually. Darnold has sucked for 55 starts so I'm just going to assume she's better and has more potential

I thought your posts were dumb before but now you're just taking it to another level.

We get it your sister > Darnold > Lance. Giving Charlie Sheen a bad name.

ask him if she can handle a wet ball or can play without cmc

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

It is ridiculous, which shows that the logic you use to say Darnold is worse than Trey isn't sound. I can easily apply that logic to my sister. Darnold sucked so I'm just going to assume my sister's better, even though there's 0 proof of that

Darnold has 55 starts in this league. 55...how many does your sister have?

4 starts for Lance is enough for you to think he's not a good QB but 55 starts from Darnold tells you he's better than Trey in this offense.

How did our Josh Rosen reclamation project work?

She doesn't need starts. She doesn't need any proof at all actually. Darnold has sucked for 55 starts so I'm just going to assume she's better and has more potential

I thought your posts were dumb before but now you're just taking it to another level.

We get it your sister > Darnold > Lance. Giving Charlie Sheen a bad name.

Thank you

So you finally agree that saying "Darnold has sucked so X is better than Darnold", is dumb?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
You think a season ending injury in week 2 year 2 and the first season he was supposed to be QB1 has something to do with the lack of evaluation? I mean you wrote that out like you were doing something. The kid is turning 23 next month and you're over here acting like he's a finished product.

And when did the team say they were going to get rid of Trey? They say the same BS they always say "we'll listen to any offer and take it if the right oneyou comes along even if it's us being traded" those talking points seem to be ignored but other stupid tidbits are under a microscope and turned into "team has no room for Lance and he'll never get an opportunity to play here"

...as if we didn't just watch this team end up on QB5ish to end our season.

Trading a young QB with still so much growth potential on a rookie deal would be negligent. You think the QB room would be good? It would instantly go to this:
Brock Purdy - not cleared to throw yet. No clue if he'll be back for week 1
Sam Darnold - has his share of injuries and missing time, 55 games of inconsistency and some awful play...and someone who has never stepped foot in this huddle and never played with this team before.

Sounds like a recipe for success!

1. Not getting into that conversation anymore I stated my opinion. That question has already been answered.

2. No where did I say they were. I even stated speaking hypothetically. You say they say the same BS yet last year their quote "I'd be a fool to trade Deebo" he doesn't appear to think he'd be a fool to trade Trey.

3. Again with this how many QBs we used last year. Yes we used a lot. Trading Trey doesn't mean we're going into the season with just a healthy Sam. I promise you there are more QBs in the league than just Trey.

4. You start your post off talking about Trey's injury. You finish it by listing the injuries of the other QBs as a reason for keeping Trey. So if Brock's injury and Sam's injury history is a reason for concern. Then why the hell is Trey vehemently worth keeping? Why do you not look at his injury history the same? You say that is the reason for his lack of evaluation so couldn't his health history be a concern? Wasn't he part of the reason we used "QB5ish"

1. I too like to ignore things I cannot actually address with logic.

2. There is a major difference in the Deebo situation when he's trying to push his way out during contract negotiations and Trey's situation. If you don't understand the difference then let me know so I can put you on ignore and move on.

3. Sure there are other options. I'm sure Josh Johnson is still available. Who is available that won't cost a ton, isn't completely over the hill or isn't a rookie with even less proof than Trey's 4 games worth?

4. The whole idea is to keep a strong QB room and hope QB3 never sees the field outside of preseason, let alone QB4. I loved the Sam Darnold signing - as QB3. He's the health insurance you never want to actually use but want to have for the bad scenarios so you don't get to the worst case situation.

Originally posted by genus49:
1. I too like to ignore things I cannot actually address with logic.

2. There is a major difference in the Deebo situation when he's trying to push his way out during contract negotiations and Trey's situation. If you don't understand the difference then let me know so I can put you on ignore and move on.

3. Sure there are other options. I'm sure Josh Johnson is still available. Who is available that won't cost a ton, isn't completely over the hill or isn't a rookie with even less proof than Trey's 4 games worth?

4. The whole idea is to keep a strong QB room and hope QB3 never sees the field outside of preseason, let alone QB4. I loved the Sam Darnold signing - as QB3. He's the health insurance you never want to actually use but want to have for the bad scenarios so you don't get to the worst case situation.

he ain't signed as QB3 lol

You don't sign ppl and say you are x.. on the depth chart.

KS hasn't even seen Sam play in our O. You put guys out there in summer, let them sort it out. You assume TL is ahead of Darnold. He isn't.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't think the team is actively trying to trade Lance, but I also think the team knows this off season/year is when his trade value will be the highest without playing. So I think the team has put themselves in a position to trade him if he doesn't have a material improvement during camp and the right offer shows up. Remember, other teams get injuries too and someone might want him more than they do today. I highly highly doubt he gets traded anytime sooner than the end of camp, if he ever does.

in other words, it's on Lance in camp this year.
- I think the team has been very strategic on the words they've used regarding the QBs this off season in and effort to gauge his trade value while also giving trey a chance to earn a shot.
- if Lance has a really good camp, I think the team doesn't consider trading him and keep rolling with him at QB2.
- if he has another camp with a lot of inconsistencies, they'll be more willing to listen to offers.
- it also depends on how Purdy's recovery is going. That'll play a big part in it.
- I think the team still really likes him but also has concerns about his development.
- I also think the team put themselves in a position with darnold and his contract to where if they do trade Lance for some reason, it won't overly hurt the team. This is a smart team running the cap - I don't think it's a coincidence that Darnold's cap # is the exact amount we would save in a post June 1 trade of Lance.
- there is the possibility that if Lance has a good camp, we trade darnold and fill his spot with a young qb we draft/UDFA.

all of these things can be true at the same time. All cards are on the table and this is a smart front office that has set themselves up to take ALL the routes discussed on here. It's really dependent on how Lance plays in camp and Purdys recovery.

overall, I don't know if the team is leaning one way or the other, but they've set themselves up for both routes and they're putting all the pressure on Lance to perform in camp and that'll decide which route they eventually take.

This is a really good post. Still working on my response to Smokey, but this is part of it.

There's a difference between saying you think something vs saying something is true. It may be true regardless, but if you're making a definitive claim you have to provide the evidence. The post above is exactly what I hope this thread can do more of.

Nicely done Tankle.

Thanks Waterbear, appreciate the kind words.

sometimes I have to catch myself on here because if you don't know me in real life, it's easy to take what I say and misinterpret what I'm trying to say.

what's sad is post like this don't usually gain much traction convo wise, people prefer to attack each other. Which I've done myself, I'm not innocent here. Lol

i guess what would we talk about otherwise? Hahaha during this part of the offseason

Let's hope there's a happy ending for Trey and everyone involved.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
1. I too like to ignore things I cannot actually address with logic.

2. There is a major difference in the Deebo situation when he's trying to push his way out during contract negotiations and Trey's situation. If you don't understand the difference then let me know so I can put you on ignore and move on.

3. Sure there are other options. I'm sure Josh Johnson is still available. Who is available that won't cost a ton, isn't completely over the hill or isn't a rookie with even less proof than Trey's 4 games worth?

4. The whole idea is to keep a strong QB room and hope QB3 never sees the field outside of preseason, let alone QB4. I loved the Sam Darnold signing - as QB3. He's the health insurance you never want to actually use but want to have for the bad scenarios so you don't get to the worst case situation.

he ain't signed as QB3 lol

You don't sign ppl and say you are x.. on the depth chart.

KS hasn't even seen Sam play in our O. You put guys out there in summer, let them sort it out. You assume TL is ahead of Darnold. He isn't.

My assumptions are based on logic.

Sam Darnold isn't good enough to leap over the kid who was QB1 last year and got injured. Trey has been on this team and within this locker room if he's not traded he absolutely has the leg up on Darnold. And I expect him to keep that job.