Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I've stayed away from NT for awhile, but I'm curious as a lead up to the draft…

is the general NT-group think that Lance will be traded, be defacto starter in week 1, has a legit shot to usurp Purdy given he'll have a full offseason, or could be replaced by Darnold?

do a poll

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I've stayed away from NT for awhile, but I'm curious as a lead up to the draft…

is the general NT-group think that Lance will be traded, be defacto starter in week 1, has a legit shot to usurp Purdy given he'll have a full offseason, or could be replaced by Darnold?

do a poll

Pretty much a combo of all of it. There are also different opinions on when/how long until Purdy is healthy to play.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I've stayed away from NT for awhile, but I'm curious as a lead up to the draft…

is the general NT-group think that Lance will be traded, be defacto starter in week 1, has a legit shot to usurp Purdy given he'll have a full offseason, or could be replaced by Darnold?

All of the above.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't see the team trading him during this draft unless it's a ridiculous offer. I'd be surprised if they do.

my opinion is they're going to give him a shot to prove himself this camp, for a few reasons.
- see what improvements he has made. Aka check out his development.
- they'll want to see darnold in camp and make sure he can perform how they're expecting (I imagine they picked our DC brain quite a bit on him)
- we aren't the only team that gets injuries. Usually a few teams will lose a qb in camp to injury or just not be happy with their performance. That could increase lances trade value if reports are hes improved.
- trading lance before they know more about Purdy would be a big risk because then you're banking everything on darnold and he's an unknown in our system right now.
- then there is the salary cap hit. The team may just eat his entire guaranteed money this year but I could see
them wanting to push some next year. That would also change which year the draft picks are even in.

I've been thinking about this a lot and I believe that IF lance is moved, it'll be because his performance in camp/Brock's health and it'll be around the end of training camp.

that's my thought

I agree with that for sure. That's why I'm dumbfounded by the people who think trading him now is smart. If they see Darnold is dealing and picking up the offense without issue, if they get an update on Brock and he's looking good to come back for the season and whichever QB we added in the draft or UDFA is looking to hold his own...then I can see Trey traded.

I do think when the dust settles Trey shows his worth and is ready to show people what he can do in a good way. But until those practices happen it's stupid to claim one guy is better than the other.

Right now based on logic and the knowns about THIS team, Trey has the leg up on the competition but he'll have to come in hungry and ready to steal the QB1 job back, let alone keep Darnold behind him on the depth chart.

Originally posted by genus49:
I agree with that for sure. That's why I'm dumbfounded by the people who think trading him now is smart. If they see Darnold is dealing and picking up the offense without issue, if they get an update on Brock and he's looking good to come back for the season and whichever QB we added in the draft or UDFA is looking to hold his own...then I can see Trey traded.

I do think when the dust settles Trey shows his worth and is ready to show people what he can do in a good way. But until those practices happen it's stupid to claim one guy is better than the other.

Right now based on logic and the knowns about THIS team, Trey has the leg up on the competition but he'll have to come in hungry and ready to steal the QB1 job back, let alone keep Darnold behind him on the depth chart.

my theory on the trade has always been we have him under contract thru 2024, with an option of 2025. It makes sense to me to see if he can try and rehab some of his value. Sam could even beat him out theoretically, and if BP is out and Sam starts, what if Sam goes down, TL could play a game or two and if he plays ball at a high level, his value around the league would shoot up dramatically.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Without a doubt, Trey has the leg up on Sam. Don't get me wrong - Darnold can be a factor in the competition, but he's never been all that.

I think it's highly unlikely we go into the season with Trey on the roster IF darnold beats him out.

I can see lance will get every opportunity and benefit of the doubt to secure QB2, and that makes sense to me. If we went into the season with him as QB3 - it would plummet his trade value. So I could him getting traded at the end of camp, once the team understands where Purdy is at. IF he somehow loses to darnold

Lance should beat out Darnold relatively easily - he knows the system and been around the guys much longer. He went through all last camp as QB1 and has some chemistry with those guys.

That's the thing...if Trey gets beat out then it is what it is. I believe and expect Shanahan to play the best guys and build the roster that way.

However my issue is with the people looking to trade Trey now in assumption that he's not better than Darnold or that his time here is over. It's not a smart move and I pray we don't make it.

We cannot have the QB position hold us back from accomplishing our goals this year. An unknown draft pick isn't worth it to me. You keep the best QB room possible, let them battle, sort out the order and then get to work.

Yeah, I agree with both you and tankle. Trey should easily, beat out Darnold and I agree with you, genus, think the assumption is wrong, that Trey is not better than Sam.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Without a doubt, Trey has the leg up on Sam. Don't get me wrong - Darnold can be a factor in the competition, but he's never been all that.

I think it's highly unlikely we go into the season with Trey on the roster IF darnold beats him out.

I can see lance will get every opportunity and benefit of the doubt to secure QB2, and that makes sense to me. If we went into the season with him as QB3 - it would plummet his trade value. So I could him getting traded at the end of camp, once the team understands where Purdy is at. IF he somehow loses to darnold

Lance should beat out Darnold relatively easily - he knows the system and been around the guys much longer. He went through all last camp as QB1 and has some chemistry with those guys.

That's the thing...if Trey gets beat out then it is what it is. I believe and expect Shanahan to play the best guys and build the roster that way.

However my issue is with the people looking to trade Trey now in assumption that he's not better than Darnold or that his time here is over. It's not a smart move and I pray we don't make it.

We cannot have the QB position hold us back from accomplishing our goals this year. An unknown draft pick isn't worth it to me. You keep the best QB room possible, let them battle, sort out the order and then get to work.

Yeah, I agree with both you and tankle. Trey should easily, beat out Darnold and I agree with you, genus, think the assumption is wrong, that Trey is not better than Sam.

But everyone needs to keep in mind that darnold isn't just some scrub off the street. He's had some bad play in his career but he's shown a positive trajectory over the last year, he's only 25, great skill set, and our system is ideal to his skill set. He also has an edge experience wise.

i think anyone would be doing themselves a disservice assuming darnold is trash and going to play like trash here. It will be the best situation he's been in as a pro, by far. It wouldn't shock me to hear that darnolds having a really nice showing in camp.

i still think lance should beat him out but anyone that is a big lance fan should take the challenge seriously. It's not going to be a cake walk for lance.

Purdy also should be improved from last year because of the work he's putting in now, most likely a slightly improved arm, better footwork, the experience he received last year.

I believe Lance is facing a serious uphill battle here and needs to show out.

Originally posted by tankle104:

I think the reason why some feel more confident with darnold as the starter than lance is because of the game planning.

We know what darnold is good at and not good at at this point. When you're drawing up a gameplan, which I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have aggressive passing attacks in there for either lance/darnold, we have a good idea of what situations to not put him in. Makes it a tad easier to call plays and mitigate risk of him making bad decisions.

Lance is still an unknown commodity at this point. He has a lack of NFL experience and trying to draw up a gameplan for him would be a little tougher because we still aren't sure what his strengths and weaknesses are in the pass game. Makes it a little riskier and unpredictable when you're trying to just win the game while QB1 is out.

i think Kyle would have more conservative game plans for either.

unless Darnold is significantly better than Lance in camp, I'd expect to see lance playing if Purdy isn't back. There may be more risk but I think it makes more sense to see lance play, for numerous reasons, if they're even close to the same level of play in camp.

regardless of who starts, if they're close, I think both would have a short leash for errors.

For me it's just the simple fact that I rank Sam well ahead of Trey. I know Sam has been bad, but if we're being honest Trey wouldn't do any better in those situations.

If l had to bet I'd say Darnold will be able to take advantage of the weapons better than Trey

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
For me it's just the simple fact that I rank Sam well ahead of Trey. I know Sam has been bad, but if we're being honest Trey wouldn't do any better in those situations.

If l had to bet I'd say Darnold will be able to take advantage of the weapons better than Trey

Hahah I literally just posted about this right before you did.
When it comes to physical skill set - Darnold has just as good a arm as lance does, Darnold has some nice touch in his throws too.

darnold is also more athletic/mobile than he looks. He was taken 3 overall for a reason. This system definitely is the best fit he's had in the pros; as well as coaching and talent.

i think darnold will surprise some. I also think darnold is currently a better passer than lance. The question to me is going's to be who makes the least amount of mistakes while also being aggressive in the pass game.

i feel like lance should beat him out but it won't be easy for Lance. He won't have the same leash he's had in previous camps. The team will expect to see big time improvement.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
For me it's just the simple fact that I rank Sam well ahead of Trey. I know Sam has been bad, but if we're being honest Trey wouldn't do any better in those situations.

If l had to bet I'd say Darnold will be able to take advantage of the weapons better than Trey

My biggest concern with darnold is his accuracy. He is more accurate than lance but not much more. Both have been pretty bad.

if he can tune that up, it'll be very interesting. If you exclude his last game of the season he was 7td - 1int over 5 games. Decent completion %. He also had two rushing touchdowns.

both his losses where by 1 score. So he was playing pretty decent and had them in the game.

he seems to be pretty bad with interceptions over the course of his career - nearly 1-1 every year

what the hell happened against the saints?! His stats that game are horrific. Lol

Originally posted by tankle104:
Hahah I literally just posted about this right before you did.
When it comes to physical skill set - Darnold has just as good a arm as lance does, Darnold has some nice touch in his throws too.

darnold is also more athletic/mobile than he looks. He was taken 3 overall for a reason. This system definitely is the best fit he's had in the pros; as well as coaching and talent.

i think darnold will surprise some. I also think darnold is currently a better passer than lance. The question to me is going's to be who makes the least amount of mistakes while also being aggressive in the pass game.

i feel like lance should beat him out but it won't be easy for Lance. He won't have the same leash he's had in previous camps. The team will expect to see big time improvement.

Yeah but the problem with Darnold is he is all messed up in the head. Trey will beat him out because he is mentally tougher than Darnold.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

For me it's just the simple fact that I rank Sam well ahead of Trey. I know Sam has been bad, but if we're being honest Trey wouldn't do any better in those situations.

If l had to bet I'd say Darnold will be able to take advantage of the weapons better than Trey

Hahah I literally just posted about this right before you did.
When it comes to physical skill set - Darnold has just as good a arm as lance does, Darnold has some nice touch in his throws too.

darnold is also more athletic/mobile than he looks. He was taken 3 overall for a reason. This system definitely is the best fit he's had in the pros; as well as coaching and talent.

i think darnold will surprise some. I also think darnold is currently a better passer than lance. The question to me is going's to be who makes the least amount of mistakes while also being aggressive in the pass game.

i feel like lance should beat him out but it won't be easy for Lance. He won't have the same leash he's had in previous camps. The team will expect to see big time improvement.

Yea he does have a skill set, and he also has way more experience and more recent playing experience. I don't put much stock in Treys HS and college, so to me he's basically never played when you compare him to Darnold.

In the end I think you're right that it's going to come down to Sam cutting down the TOs. If he does that im not sure we'll have much of a competition. If he can't then Kyle probably won't see the worth in playing him over Trey

Same circle jerk of haters for weeks in here lol

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't think the team is actively trying to trade Lance, but I also think the team knows this off season/year is when his trade value will be the highest without playing. So I think the team has put themselves in a position to trade him if he doesn't have a material improvement during camp and the right offer shows up. Remember, other teams get injuries too and someone might want him more than they do today. I highly highly doubt he gets traded anytime sooner than the end of camp, if he ever does.

in other words, it's on Lance in camp this year.
- I think the team has been very strategic on the words they've used regarding the QBs this off season in and effort to gauge his trade value while also giving trey a chance to earn a shot.
- if Lance has a really good camp, I think the team doesn't consider trading him and keep rolling with him at QB2.
- if he has another camp with a lot of inconsistencies, they'll be more willing to listen to offers.
- it also depends on how Purdy's recovery is going. That'll play a big part in it.
- I think the team still really likes him but also has concerns about his development.
- I also think the team put themselves in a position with darnold and his contract to where if they do trade Lance for some reason, it won't overly hurt the team. This is a smart team running the cap - I don't think it's a coincidence that Darnold's cap # is the exact amount we would save in a post June 1 trade of Lance.
- there is the possibility that if Lance has a good camp, we trade darnold and fill his spot with a young qb we draft/UDFA.

all of these things can be true at the same time. All cards are on the table and this is a smart front office that has set themselves up to take ALL the routes discussed on here. It's really dependent on how Lance plays in camp and Purdys recovery.

overall, I don't know if the team is leaning one way or the other, but they've set themselves up for both routes and they're putting all the pressure on Lance to perform in camp and that'll decide which route they eventually take.

This is a really good post. Still working on my response to Smokey, but this is part of it.

There's a difference between saying you think something vs saying something is true. It may be true regardless, but if you're making a definitive claim you have to provide the evidence. The post above is exactly what I hope this thread can do more of.

Nicely done Tankle.

Thanks Waterbear, appreciate the kind words.

sometimes I have to catch myself on here because if you don't know me in real life, it's easy to take what I say and misinterpret what I'm trying to say.

what's sad is post like this don't usually gain much traction convo wise, people prefer to attack each other. Which I've done myself, I'm not innocent here. Lol

i guess what would we talk about otherwise? Hahaha during this part of the offseason

I too appreciate your post tankle. I have been on the same page as Waterbear from the jump regarding Trey Lance. I argue with anyone who claims Trey is a bust or that he wont ever be good here....simply because that poster is presenting their opinion as fact. And then when I argue with these posters, they come back and claim I am being a Trey homer/apologist when I have repeatedly said I have no idea how good he is going to be. I see people do the same thing with NY.

Its a fascinating argument because in the old QB war threads, it was always people who thought the QB sucks vs. people who thought the QB was good. Its not like that here, yet is being represented by one side as it being the same. I really dont see many if any people homering out for Trey and claiming he is definitely going to be great. Its just people like me who say its way too early to make definitive claims arguing with the people who DO make definitive claims that he is never going to be good.

Its such an odd argument in this thread.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I've stayed away from NT for awhile, but I'm curious as a lead up to the draft…

is the general NT-group think that Lance will be traded, be defacto starter in week 1, has a legit shot to usurp Purdy given he'll have a full offseason, or could be replaced by Darnold?

do a poll

Pretty much a combo of all of it. There are also different opinions on when/how long until Purdy is healthy to play.

Thanks… so I guess we'll see how the draft goes.