Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Imagine thinking Cousins is the last piece to the puzzle in winning a SB lol. The obsession Kyle has with Kirk Cousins is just insane to me

I will never understand Kyle's love for mid tier QB's. Trey with Justin Jefferson would be fun. Even as a Niners fan.

Does Wes Phillips run a similar system to Norv Turner or is it more WCO? I think Lance would do well in a system like norv turners where it's run based and they attack the deep ball.

he could be like a mobile Phillip rivers. Haha Lance could feed Jefferson's deep ball ability much better than bunk ass cousins. Lol

ive always thought cousins was overrated and his stats look better than he actually is.

If I'm MIN I'm making that trade monday-Sunday anytime of day or night. Could get a call at 3 AM half asleep and will still do it, MIN knows it's not winning s**t with Cousins add his stupid amount he's making you easily take your chances with the upside Trey provides, hometown kid and cheaper under control for 3 years at least.

My massive issue with Cousins is his abysmal playoff record and the fact when s**t hits the fan he just crumbles, I don't think we win the Dallas game with him at qb with the way Dallas' d went after us. Purdy in 2 playoff games showed me way more balls Cousins has ever shown in his decade plus in the league

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Imagine thinking Cousins is the last piece to the puzzle in winning a SB lol. The obsession Kyle has with Kirk Cousins is just insane to me

I will never understand Kyle's love for mid tier QB's. Trey with Justin Jefferson would be fun. Even as a Niners fan.

Does Wes Phillips run a similar system to Norv Turner or is it more WCO? I think Lance would do well in a system like norv turners where it's run based and they attack the deep ball.

he could be like a mobile Phillip rivers. Haha Lance could feed Jefferson's deep ball ability much better than bunk ass cousins. Lol

ive always thought cousins was overrated and his stats look better than he actually is.

If I'm MIN I'm making that trade monday-Sunday anytime of day or night. Could get a call at 3 AM half asleep and will still do it, MIN knows it's not winning s**t with Cousins add his stupid amount he's making you easily take your chances with the upside Trey provides, hometown kid and cheaper under control for 3 years at least.

My massive issue with Cousins is his abysmal playoff record and the fact when s**t hits the fan he just crumbles, I don't think we win the Dallas game with him at qb with the way Dallas' d went after us. Purdy in 2 playoff games showed me way more balls Cousins has ever shown in his decade plus in the league

Yea Cousins seems to work himself up over MNF games lol. That would be my only concern with him is his tendency to wilt in the big moments.

With that said it would still be hard to see us not making it out of the NFC at least with Cousins. Goff went to a SB and Stafford won the whole thing on teams that weren't as good or well coached as this 49ers team. Idk, Kyle could be tempted knowing how highly he thinks of Kirk. He probably does think Kirk = SB lol

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think the reason why some feel more confident with darnold as the starter than lance is because of the game planning.

We know what darnold is good at and not good at at this point. When you're drawing up a gameplan, which I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have aggressive passing attacks in there for either lance/darnold, we have a good idea of what situations to not put him in. Makes it a tad easier to call plays and mitigate risk of him making bad decisions.

Lance is still an unknown commodity at this point. He has a lack of NFL experience and trying to draw up a gameplan for him would be a little tougher because we still aren't sure what his strengths and weaknesses are in the pass game. Makes it a little riskier and unpredictable when you're trying to just win the game while QB1 is out.

i think Kyle would have more conservative game plans for either.

unless Darnold is significantly better than Lance in camp, I'd expect to see lance playing if Purdy isn't back. There may be more risk but I think it makes more sense to see lance play, for numerous reasons, if they're even close to the same level of play in camp.

regardless of who starts, if they're close, I think both would have a short leash for errors.

For me it's just the simple fact that I rank Sam well ahead of Trey. I know Sam has been bad, but if we're being honest Trey wouldn't do any better in those situations.

If l had to bet I'd say Darnold will be able to take advantage of the weapons better than Trey

And you rank Sam well ahead of Trey based on what exactly?

And we're "being honest" saying Trey wouldn't do any better in those situations because of what metric?

Originally posted by tankle104:
My biggest concern with darnold is his accuracy. He is more accurate than lance but not much more. Both have been pretty bad.

if he can tune that up, it'll be very interesting. If you exclude his last game of the season he was 7td - 1int over 5 games. Decent completion %. He also had two rushing touchdowns.

both his losses where by 1 score. So he was playing pretty decent and had them in the game.

he seems to be pretty bad with interceptions over the course of his career - nearly 1-1 every year

what the hell happened against the saints?! His stats that game are horrific. Lol

lol so let's take out his most recent and worst game and analyze that? You want to know what happened? He played a good defense.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

I think the reason why some feel more confident with darnold as the starter than lance is because of the game planning.

We know what darnold is good at and not good at at this point. When you're drawing up a gameplan, which I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have aggressive passing attacks in there for either lance/darnold, we have a good idea of what situations to not put him in. Makes it a tad easier to call plays and mitigate risk of him making bad decisions.

Lance is still an unknown commodity at this point. He has a lack of NFL experience and trying to draw up a gameplan for him would be a little tougher because we still aren't sure what his strengths and weaknesses are in the pass game. Makes it a little riskier and unpredictable when you're trying to just win the game while QB1 is out.

i think Kyle would have more conservative game plans for either.

unless Darnold is significantly better than Lance in camp, I'd expect to see lance playing if Purdy isn't back. There may be more risk but I think it makes more sense to see lance play, for numerous reasons, if they're even close to the same level of play in camp.

regardless of who starts, if they're close, I think both would have a short leash for errors.

For me it's just the simple fact that I rank Sam well ahead of Trey. I know Sam has been bad, but if we're being honest Trey wouldn't do any better in those situations.

If l had to bet I'd say Darnold will be able to take advantage of the weapons better than Trey

And you rank Sam well ahead of Trey based on what exactly?

And we're "being honest" saying Trey wouldn't do any better in those situations because of what metric?

Just based on their film and overall experience. I can watch all of Treys tape from college and NFL and there's nothing that tells me he's better than Darnold.

I also base it off the fact that Kyle and John are already undermining Trey and don't have a lot of excitement about him and his future here. I know you guys don't want to see it that way, but anyone that's not a Trey homer sees it. Imo you'd have to be pretty bad for a team that spent all that draft capital to be ready to move on without seeing much.

Kyle has seen the film and he thinks Sam can play. I know the "Darnold is here just to save our ass if something extremely rare happens again" narrative sounds amazing and makes sense for us, but it doesn't for Darnold. He wouldnt sign here to just sit around for us in case lightning strikes twice

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
My biggest concern with darnold is his accuracy. He is more accurate than lance but not much more. Both have been pretty bad.

if he can tune that up, it'll be very interesting. If you exclude his last game of the season he was 7td - 1int over 5 games. Decent completion %. He also had two rushing touchdowns.

both his losses where by 1 score. So he was playing pretty decent and had them in the game.

he seems to be pretty bad with interceptions over the course of his career - nearly 1-1 every year

what the hell happened against the saints?! His stats that game are horrific. Lol

lol so let's take out his most recent and worst game and analyze that? You want to know what happened? He played a good defense.

I was just asking questions about what happened. Lol relax man. Darnold didn't play well, I get it.

Originally posted by q0c0p:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Imagine thinking Cousins is the last piece to the puzzle in winning a SB lol. The obsession Kyle has with Kirk Cousins is just insane to me

I have no idea. Maybe they have tattoos of each other lmao. But one thing is for sure, kirk will be a top 8 qb under kyle

Brock was top 5 under Kyle.
Trey could be top 3.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by q0c0p:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Imagine thinking Cousins is the last piece to the puzzle in winning a SB lol. The obsession Kyle has with Kirk Cousins is just insane to me

I have no idea. Maybe they have tattoos of each other lmao. But one thing is for sure, kirk will be a top 8 qb under kyle

Brock was top 5 under Kyle.
Trey could be top 3.

That's a bad mouth to brock

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by q0c0p:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Imagine thinking Cousins is the last piece to the puzzle in winning a SB lol. The obsession Kyle has with Kirk Cousins is just insane to me

I have no idea. Maybe they have tattoos of each other lmao. But one thing is for sure, kirk will be a top 8 qb under kyle

Brock was top 5 under Kyle.
Trey could be top 3.

I still think the issue with a qb like cousins is that if the defense has an off day or average day or the special teams does, it's a major uphill battle to still win with a guy like Kirk.

it's similar to jimmy, if the team doesn't play a clean game, it's a challenge to win. Shouldn't be that way with this roster.

im glad the Kirk cousins nonsense is coming from ridiculous corners of the internet and not anyone credible.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by q0c0p:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Imagine thinking Cousins is the last piece to the puzzle in winning a SB lol. The obsession Kyle has with Kirk Cousins is just insane to me

I have no idea. Maybe they have tattoos of each other lmao. But one thing is for sure, kirk will be a top 8 qb under kyle

Brock was top 5 under Kyle.
Trey could be top 3.

Kyle would name him the starter if that were the case

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by q0c0p:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Imagine thinking Cousins is the last piece to the puzzle in winning a SB lol. The obsession Kyle has with Kirk Cousins is just insane to me

I have no idea. Maybe they have tattoos of each other lmao. But one thing is for sure, kirk will be a top 8 qb under kyle

Brock was top 5 under Kyle.
Trey could be top 3.

Kyle would name him the starter if that were the case

lol it doesn't work that way... unless Trey gets injured Trey will be the starter (if Brock is not ready)

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by q0c0p:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Imagine thinking Cousins is the last piece to the puzzle in winning a SB lol. The obsession Kyle has with Kirk Cousins is just insane to me

I have no idea. Maybe they have tattoos of each other lmao. But one thing is for sure, kirk will be a top 8 qb under kyle

Brock was top 5 under Kyle.
Trey could be top 3.

I still think the issue with a qb like cousins is that if the defense has an off day or average day or the special teams does, it's a major uphill battle to still win with a guy like Kirk.

it's similar to jimmy, if the team doesn't play a clean game, it's a challenge to win. Shouldn't be that way with this roster.

im glad the Kirk cousins nonsense is coming from ridiculous corners of the internet and not anyone credible.

I know what you mean, but he is a little better than Jimmy. Jimmy was a play away a couple times, and I think our roster is better now and our path is easier than either of those seasons.

I'm not saying it's the right move, but I think Kyle is hell bent on getting it done after coming so close again. Kirk was his prototype before seeing Mahomes and Allen play, i really wouldn't be shocked if he wants to make this trade

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by q0c0p:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Imagine thinking Cousins is the last piece to the puzzle in winning a SB lol. The obsession Kyle has with Kirk Cousins is just insane to me

I have no idea. Maybe they have tattoos of each other lmao. But one thing is for sure, kirk will be a top 8 qb under kyle

Brock was top 5 under Kyle.
Trey could be top 3.

Kyle would name him the starter if that were the case

lol it doesn't work that way... unless Trey gets injured Trey will be the starter (if Brock is not ready)

Yes it does. If Kyle truly believed Trey could be top 3 QB, he could have very easily said he's excited about what Brock did but he's also excited to get his starter back

Originally posted by tankle104:
I still think the issue with a qb like cousins is that if the defense has an off day or average day or the special teams does, it's a major uphill battle to still win with a guy like Kirk.

it's similar to jimmy, if the team doesn't play a clean game, it's a challenge to win. Shouldn't be that way with this roster.

im glad the Kirk cousins nonsense is coming from ridiculous corners of the internet and not anyone credible.

While I do not want us to trade for Kirk I disagree with your assessment.

It was hard to win with Jimmy if they had an off day because of the way he plays. He doesn't attack the field. Everything was short and between the hashes.

Kirk has demonstrated he's not afraid to throw it. He gives his WRs a chance to make plays. While JJ is a down right filthy beast. He's 1 guy. Kirk with his play style and our weapons I think he could lead us to wins if the D didn't show up.

Originally posted by genus49:
And you rank Sam well ahead of Trey based on what exactly?

And we're "being honest" saying Trey wouldn't do any better in those situations because of what metric?

TL is a question mark. That implication means he may be better or worse than Sam. Point is we don't know, that's why I don't assume who will win the comp here. I think Sam is better now, however what matters is who is better in the future in June-Aug. TBD.