Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Just based on their film and overall experience. I can watch all of Treys tape from college and NFL and there's nothing that tells me he's better than Darnold.

I also base it off the fact that Kyle and John are already undermining Trey and don't have a lot of excitement about him and his future here. I know you guys don't want to see it that way, but anyone that's not a Trey homer sees it. Imo you'd have to be pretty bad for a team that spent all that draft capital to be ready to move on without seeing much.

Kyle has seen the film and he thinks Sam can play. I know the "Darnold is here just to save our ass if something extremely rare happens again" narrative sounds amazing and makes sense for us, but it doesn't for Darnold. He wouldnt sign here to just sit around for us in case lightning strikes twice

Watch a lot of film do you?

That's the thing with experience...you can't get it until you get it. Trey has more experience on this team and in this offense than Darnold does.

It took Matt Ryan 2 years to master Shanahan's offense. Darnold is here on a 1 year deal. We're just going to assume he comes in and picks up the playbook without issue? Maybe...but right now we haven't seen a single snap from him.

Kyle Shanahan has seen Trey Lance's film and thought he could play. Seems like you like to forget that part.

Darnold signed here because Purdy is on the shelf for who knows how long and has 8 starts under his belt. Trey is still recovering himself and has 4 starts under his belt. It's not that deep. He saw a great team in place and a spot where he could come in and compete and try to land a starting spot.

What other team this good has a question at QB whether injury wise or lack of starting experience wise? Not like he signed a 4 year deal here.

Picks up the playbook with no issues, yup. This is a guy on HC what.. four? Five? Picking up new stuff is what he does basically every season.

the bold is 100% correct

You're right, he's shown a knack for picking up complex offenses and executing them at the highest levels numerous times. I'm so silly.

He's on OC #6 now. HC #5.

So it's not like picking up new stuff is a foreign thing for him.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by q0c0p:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Imagine thinking Cousins is the last piece to the puzzle in winning a SB lol. The obsession Kyle has with Kirk Cousins is just insane to me

I have no idea. Maybe they have tattoos of each other lmao. But one thing is for sure, kirk will be a top 8 qb under kyle

Brock was top 5 under Kyle.
Trey could be top 3.

I still think the issue with a qb like cousins is that if the defense has an off day or average day or the special teams does, it's a major uphill battle to still win with a guy like Kirk.

it's similar to jimmy, if the team doesn't play a clean game, it's a challenge to win. Shouldn't be that way with this roster.

im glad the Kirk cousins nonsense is coming from ridiculous corners of the internet and not anyone credible.

I know what you mean, but he is a little better than Jimmy. Jimmy was a play away a couple times, and I think our roster is better now and our path is easier than either of those seasons.

I'm not saying it's the right move, but I think Kyle is hell bent on getting it done after coming so close again. I Kirk was his prototype before seeing Mahomes and Allen play, i really wouldn't be shocked if he wants to make this trade

I would be shocked because of the salary cap constraints.

it may get us out of the NFC but I don't see it getting used last Mahommes/Burrow. I just don't think Kirk gives us an edge that we are missing. I think Purdy showed much more than cousins from a leadership and composure standpoint, not stats because Kirks been playing a long time.

i just don't see that move as making us a ton better. We are already favored to have the most wins in the league, per bettors.

if I was MIN, I'd take Trey Lance for Cousins. Lol no doubt. At least Trey is cost controlled and unknown - giving them optimism he could be better than cousins.

I like Brock a lot too, but he does still have to keep proving it and show his arms the same. You have to put yourself in Kyles shoes when thinking about this. He probably thinks we win a SB for sure with Cousins. He knows that. I love Brock as much as anyone, but he still isn't proven. Kyles already been burned by QB regression. It just wouldn't shock me at all if he wanted the "sure SB" with Cousins this year

Brock still has a lot to prove, no doubt. I just don't think it's a lock that we win anything with cousins. It would be his best situation but I just don't trust him when it matters most.

regardless, I don't even know how it would be possible if it was a real rumor. His cap hit is ridiculous. We still have a big cap hit for Trey, even if he is traded.

I just don't see it and don't want to see it. Hahaha

Cap can be moved like what they did in Detroit Stafford/Goff trade. If we do get Cousins, QB won't be the issue

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by q0c0p:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Imagine thinking Cousins is the last piece to the puzzle in winning a SB lol. The obsession Kyle has with Kirk Cousins is just insane to me

I have no idea. Maybe they have tattoos of each other lmao. But one thing is for sure, kirk will be a top 8 qb under kyle

Brock was top 5 under Kyle.
Trey could be top 3.

I still think the issue with a qb like cousins is that if the defense has an off day or average day or the special teams does, it's a major uphill battle to still win with a guy like Kirk.

it's similar to jimmy, if the team doesn't play a clean game, it's a challenge to win. Shouldn't be that way with this roster.

im glad the Kirk cousins nonsense is coming from ridiculous corners of the internet and not anyone credible.

I know what you mean, but he is a little better than Jimmy. Jimmy was a play away a couple times, and I think our roster is better now and our path is easier than either of those seasons.

I'm not saying it's the right move, but I think Kyle is hell bent on getting it done after coming so close again. I Kirk was his prototype before seeing Mahomes and Allen play, i really wouldn't be shocked if he wants to make this trade

I would be shocked because of the salary cap constraints.

it may get us out of the NFC but I don't see it getting used last Mahommes/Burrow. I just don't think Kirk gives us an edge that we are missing. I think Purdy showed much more than cousins from a leadership and composure standpoint, not stats because Kirks been playing a long time.

i just don't see that move as making us a ton better. We are already favored to have the most wins in the league, per bettors.

if I was MIN, I'd take Trey Lance for Cousins. Lol no doubt. At least Trey is cost controlled and unknown - giving them optimism he could be better than cousins.

I like Brock a lot too, but he does still have to keep proving it and show his arms the same. You have to put yourself in Kyles shoes when thinking about this. He probably thinks we win a SB for sure with Cousins. He knows that. I love Brock as much as anyone, but he still isn't proven. Kyles already been burned by QB regression. It just wouldn't shock me at all if he wanted the "sure SB" with Cousins this year

Brock still has a lot to prove, no doubt. I just don't think it's a lock that we win anything with cousins. It would be his best situation but I just don't trust him when it matters most.

regardless, I don't even know how it would be possible if it was a real rumor. His cap hit is ridiculous. We still have a big cap hit for Trey, even if he is traded.

I just don't see it and don't want to see it. Hahaha

Lol I hear you my man I don't think anything is lock with him either, but. I do give us better odds than with Jimmy and our team is better now. I do think we'd have a good shot, but when I think from Kyles perspective, there's no doubt in my mind he thinks he would lock in a SB with Cousins and this roster lol

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Cap can be moved like what they did in Detroit Stafford/Goff trade. If we do get Cousins, QB won't be the issue

Gotta say I like Cousins, however, I think Sam can succeed here and or TL. If TL can do it by all means. If he can't Sam can do it, no problem. All you need is a functional QB, this O is insane.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Cap can be moved like what they did in Detroit Stafford/Goff trade. If we do get Cousins, QB won't be the issue

Gotta say I like Cousins, however, I think Sam can succeed here and or TL. If TL can do it by all means. If he can't Sam can do it, no problem. All you need is a functional QB, this O is insane.

I think Sam can also. He doesn't need to carry the team and that is the difference a lot of posters can't see

So crazy that a team with this much elite talent really does not know who the main QB will be this season. Should start a poll on everyone's best guess as to who will end up starting and finishing the most games. Trey, Brock, Sam, or someone else? I have no idea right now. Too many unanswered questions and or injury rehab timelines. If I had to guess, maybe Trey's talent puts him over the edge? But Brock sure showed some moxie in limited action last year…will he be ready by September? Ughh. Gonna be interesting to see how it plays out. Regardless who it is I hope they win!!!

Originally posted by NavyNinerFan:
So crazy that a team with this much elite talent really does not know who the main QB will be this season. Should start a poll on everyone's best guess as to who will end up starting and finishing the most games. Trey, Brock, Sam, or someone else? I have no idea right now. Too many unanswered questions and or injury rehab timelines. If I had to guess, maybe Trey's talent puts him over the edge? But Brock sure showed some moxie in limited action last year…will he be ready by September? Ughh. Gonna be interesting to see how it plays out. Regardless who it is I hope they win!!!

Originally posted by NavyNinerFan:
So crazy that a team with this much elite talent really does not know who the main QB will be this season. Should start a poll on everyone's best guess as to who will end up starting and finishing the most games. Trey, Brock, Sam, or someone else? I have no idea right now. Too many unanswered questions and or injury rehab timelines. If I had to guess, maybe Trey's talent puts him over the edge? But Brock sure showed some moxie in limited action last year…will he be ready by September? Ughh. Gonna be interesting to see how it plays out. Regardless who it is I hope they win!!!

The same can be said for any position where the presumed starter is injured. IF he returns to health the gig is Brocks until he plays himself out or someone else unseats him. If Brock isn't healthy then the team will give Lance every chance to win the job and if worse comes to worst and Lance fail to progress/impress then Darnold will get an opportunity, assuming he's not been supplanted by the rookie they will take end of the draft or make a priority udfa.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NavyNinerFan:
So crazy that a team with this much elite talent really does not know who the main QB will be this season. Should start a poll on everyone's best guess as to who will end up starting and finishing the most games. Trey, Brock, Sam, or someone else? I have no idea right now. Too many unanswered questions and or injury rehab timelines. If I had to guess, maybe Trey's talent puts him over the edge? But Brock sure showed some moxie in limited action last year…will he be ready by September? Ughh. Gonna be interesting to see how it plays out. Regardless who it is I hope they win!!!

Right now it's anyones guess. We will have a much clearer understanding approximately by June 2. That'll determine if Brock is on schedule, behind schedule, or ahead of schedule. If he's on schedule/ahead - I think there is a good possibility that he will be QB1 for game 1.

if he is behind schedule, it'll be between Lance/Darnold - or whoever stays healthy.

until then, it's anyones guess. The player that controls his destiny the most is Trey. If he comes in improved and has a strong camp, he forces himself into the conversation for QB1,

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Just based on their film and overall experience. I can watch all of Treys tape from college and NFL and there's nothing that tells me he's better than Darnold.

I also base it off the fact that Kyle and John are already undermining Trey and don't have a lot of excitement about him and his future here. I know you guys don't want to see it that way, but anyone that's not a Trey homer sees it. Imo you'd have to be pretty bad for a team that spent all that draft capital to be ready to move on without seeing much.

Kyle has seen the film and he thinks Sam can play. I know the "Darnold is here just to save our ass if something extremely rare happens again" narrative sounds amazing and makes sense for us, but it doesn't for Darnold. He wouldnt sign here to just sit around for us in case lightning strikes twice

Watch a lot of film do you?

That's the thing with experience...you can't get it until you get it. Trey has more experience on this team and in this offense than Darnold does.

It took Matt Ryan 2 years to master Shanahan's offense. Darnold is here on a 1 year deal. We're just going to assume he comes in and picks up the playbook without issue? Maybe...but right now we haven't seen a single snap from him.

Kyle Shanahan has seen Trey Lance's film and thought he could play. Seems like you like to forget that part.

Darnold signed here because Purdy is on the shelf for who knows how long and has 8 starts under his belt. Trey is still recovering himself and has 4 starts under his belt. It's not that deep. He saw a great team in place and a spot where he could come in and compete and try to land a starting spot.

What other team this good has a question at QB whether injury wise or lack of starting experience wise? Not like he signed a 4 year deal here.

Kyle actually didn't like Treys film, he liked Trey the person and "hoped he'd see what he didn't see" in treys film. He went for the character and upside hoping it would work out, but the way things have played out it is not going to

lol you just love to interpret things the way you need them to be and you're delusional. Deadly combination.

Kyle Shanahan on Trey Lance

His natural ability to play the quarterback position, just in terms of how he plays in the pocket, how he can go through the progressions, how, when no one's open, that he gives it a chance, that he recognizes it. And how quick he reacts to turning it into an off-schedule play. He plays on tape like he's a very poised, smart person who's been playing the position for a while.

Then you look into the other attributes, and you're like "Oh, I haven't even gotten to the running skill set." I haven't gotten to the upside of how much better he can get, the more he plays. That's what made me like him so much right away.

Sure sounds like he hated Trey's tape...

Not to mention you got the quote backwards. They loved Trey's film but they wanted to see what the film wouldn't show them...the person and the trade up allowed them to dig into him and his intangibles and they loved that even more than the film. That in no way says Shanahan didn't like the film. WTF are you even trying to imply lol? That they made the move that they did to get a QB and picked the guy they liked as a person but didn't like his film...

Guess now I know why you call yourself Charlie Sheen, clearly you're into some heavy drugs.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I like Brock a lot too, but he does still have to keep proving it and show his arms the same. You have to put yourself in Kyles shoes when thinking about this. He probably thinks we win a SB for sure with Cousins. In his mind he knows that. I love Brock as much as anyone, but he still isn't proven. Kyles already been burned by QB regression. It just wouldn't shock me at all if he wanted the "sure SB" with Cousins this year

Stop talking about Kirk Cousins. If Shanahan makes the move for Cousins I hope we fire him on the spot.

Cousins hasn't done anything in his NFL career that makes me think he's a better option to this team than Purdy and we know who costs way more money. Dude can't even play in big primetime games but we think he's going to instantly win us a SB?

Vikings were in the NFC Championship with Case Keenum before they got Kirk Cousins. Everyone thought he was going to put them over the top. They haven't sniffed the NFC Championship game since, let alone the SB.

Originally posted by genus49:
Stop talking about Kirk Cousins. If Shanahan makes the move for Cousins I hope we fire him on the spot.

Cousins hasn't done anything in his NFL career that makes me think he's a better option to this team than Purdy and we know who costs way more money. Dude can't even play in big primetime games but we think he's going to instantly win us a SB?

Vikings were in the NFC Championship with Case Keenum before they got Kirk Cousins. Everyone thought he was going to put them over the top. They haven't sniffed the NFC Championship game since, let alone the SB.

I don't want or believe in Cousins either.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I like Brock a lot too, but he does still have to keep proving it and show his arms the same. You have to put yourself in Kyles shoes when thinking about this. He probably thinks we win a SB for sure with Cousins. In his mind he knows that. I love Brock as much as anyone, but he still isn't proven. Kyles already been burned by QB regression. It just wouldn't shock me at all if he wanted the "sure SB" with Cousins this year

Stop talking about Kirk Cousins. If Shanahan makes the move for Cousins I hope we fire him on the spot.

Cousins hasn't done anything in his NFL career that makes me think he's a better option to this team than Purdy

I'm not an advocate for Cousins to SF.. however I do recognize this as a false statement.. what about being or staying healthy? Look at his starts he makes pretty much every start, every season. That may be something KS values right around now, durability and consistent starts, seeing BP and TL injured last year.

and we know who costs way more money. Dude can't even play in big primetime games but we think he's going to instantly win us a SB?

Vikings were in the NFC Championship with Case Keenum before they got Kirk Cousins. Everyone thought he was going to put them over the top. They haven't sniffed the NFC Championship game since, let alone the SB.

Your Keenum point is a lil disingenuous. They only made the NFCCG on a play dubbed the Minneapolis Miracle. It was a very long odds play. Their D that season was ranked 1st in the NFL in points allowed. By comp, Cousins in 2022 was with a Vikings D ranked 28th in the same metric, and fired their DC. So to suggest Keenum may be better cuz he took the team further, is not accurate, I have seen them both play Cousins is a way better QB than Keenum. Last 3 years points allowed ranks for Vikings, 29th, 24th, 28th. You don't win in postseason with that, usually.

Hard pass on Cousins. I'd rather we took our chances on Trey if Brock needs a longer recovery time.

49ers need three QBs. Regardless of how many times Grant Cohn says Trey will be traded, my bet is Shanahan carries all three on the roster this season.