Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

We can say what we want about Trey but he does seem like a really good guy and teammate. It's what makes me root for him and to hope he proves me wrong (whether it's here or somewhere else) - besides the fact he's a 49ers qb. Just seems like a really good guy.

"While both seek the starting job, Lance and Purdy have been in close contact this offseason."

"We've been shooting each other texts and keeping up and making sure we're all good," Purdy said, via Matt Barrows. "He obviously has reached out a bunch since my surgery and (during) the recovery process, making sure things are good. I know he's throwing and looking great down in Texas. So I'm really excited for him."

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It's educated because all evidence points to that opinion being correct. We can't read minds, but we can read words and actions. You pretty much have to stick your head in the sand to believe they are confident in Trey

That is because it is what you want to happen not because there is any real evidence of it.

Originally posted by Jcool:
The only person who knows what Kyle thinks about Trey is Kyle and maybe Lynch. We can all discuss what we think might happen but its all just guessing.

And even if Kyle believes that it doesn't mean he is correct in his assessment of Trey. He has been wrong many times before. This is the guy who passed on Mahomes and has an unhealthy obsession with Kirk Cousins of all QB's. He drafted Beathard in the 4th round. Honestly I don't trust Kyle when it comes to the QB position. He also ran RG 111 into the ground. I worry we may never have an elite QB with Kyle here. I think he just wants a game manager, Someone who can run his system. Nothing more, nothing less. Instead of building his offense around his QB, He wants to build his QB around his offense. He still thinks his scheme is the star of the offense.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
So then you just say f**k you to the rest of the guys? It doesn't look like Kyle feels strongly enough about Trey to do that. He's seen enough to know where Trey is at right now. It's not going to magically get better by just throwing him out there where guys can hit him

The only person who knows what Kyle thinks about Trey is Kyle and maybe Lynch. We can all discuss what we think might happen but its all just guessing.

All educated guesses point to low confidence

Key word being the bolded.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
And even if Kyle believes that it doesn't mean he is correct in his assessment of Trey. He has been wrong many times before. This is the guy who passed on Mahomes and has an unhealthy obsession with Kirk Cousins of all QB's. He drafted Beathard in the 4th round. Honestly I don't trust Kyle when it comes to the QB position. He also ran RG 111 into the ground. I worry we may never have an elite QB with Kyle here. I think he just wants a game manager, Someone who can run his system. Nothing more, nothing less. Instead of building his offense around his QB, He wants to build his QB around his offense. He still thinks his scheme is the star of the offense.

I agree with some of this and some of it not. I think it's been proven now that Kyle doesn't just want a game manager. He has had an MVP in his system before. Purdy replaced a game manager last season and the offense exploded. So I don't dee how anyone could say that Kyle prefers a game manager, in spite of a faction of fans saying that for the last few years.

I do believe you are right that he wants to build his QB around his offense, but I find it impossible to believe that he doesn't want better than a game manager. He saw how good his offense was with Matt Ryan. He saw how much better his offense was with Purdy than it was with Jimmy. I refuse to believe he prefers a worse offense.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
And even if Kyle believes that it doesn't mean he is correct in his assessment of Trey. He has been wrong many times before. This is the guy who passed on Mahomes and has an unhealthy obsession with Kirk Cousins of all QB's. He drafted Beathard in the 4th round. Honestly I don't trust Kyle when it comes to the QB position. He also ran RG 111 into the ground. I worry we may never have an elite QB with Kyle here. I think he just wants a game manager, Someone who can run his system. Nothing more, nothing less. Instead of building his offense around his QB, He wants to build his QB around his offense. He still thinks his scheme is the star of the offense.

I agree with some of this and some of it not. I think it's been proven now that Kyle doesn't just want a game manager. He has had an MVP in his system before. Purdy replaced a game manager last season and the offense exploded. So I don't dee how anyone could say that Kyle prefers a game manager, in spite of a faction of fans saying that for the last few years.

I do believe you are right that he wants to build his QB around his offense, but I find it impossible to believe that he doesn't want better than a game manager. He saw how good his offense was with Matt Ryan. He saw how much better his offense was with Purdy than it was with Jimmy. I refuse to believe he prefers a worse offense.

yeah, Kyle has been open that he likes his QBs aggressive. That isn't a game manager.

i think the trick to doing that in kyles system is to be aligned with the way he calls plays, why, and what they're seeing. He was very aligned with Matt Ryan - hence the mvp season (took a year though).

based on Jimmie's comments recently, him and Kyle saw the game different and it made Kyle more controlling and jimmy just ran the plays.

i think Kyle and Brock had a unique and quick connection, usually takes a year before a player sees the plays the way Kyle does.

i think Kyle thought that because Lance was so raw and inexperienced - he could of molded him to see and think exactly how he wants. We don't know if that's been the case yet because Lance hasn't played enough.

I dont think an aggressive coach like Kyle wants a game manager, that's more of a Ron Rivera thing (or DC head coach's in general.)

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I agree with some of this and some of it not. I think it's been proven now that Kyle doesn't just want a game manager. He has had an MVP in his system before. Purdy replaced a game manager last season and the offense exploded. So I don't dee how anyone could say that Kyle prefers a game manager, in spite of a faction of fans saying that for the last few years.

I do believe you are right that he wants to build his QB around his offense, but I find it impossible to believe that he doesn't want better than a game manager. He saw how good his offense was with Matt Ryan. He saw how much better his offense was with Purdy than it was with Jimmy. I refuse to believe he prefers a worse offense.

We need a guy that can beat Pat Mahomes. I don't care what we want. It's what we NEED!! Whoever does that gets the job if I were coach. We had Jimmy and he was pretty good at winning but until we beat that guy we don't have our guy

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I agree with some of this and some of it not. I think it's been proven now that Kyle doesn't just want a game manager. He has had an MVP in his system before. Purdy replaced a game manager last season and the offense exploded. So I don't dee how anyone could say that Kyle prefers a game manager, in spite of a faction of fans saying that for the last few years.

I do believe you are right that he wants to build his QB around his offense, but I find it impossible to believe that he doesn't want better than a game manager. He saw how good his offense was with Matt Ryan. He saw how much better his offense was with Purdy than it was with Jimmy. I refuse to believe he prefers a worse offense.

We need a guy that can beat Pat Mahomes. I don't care what we want. It's what we NEED!! Whoever does that gets the job if I were coach. We had Jimmy and he was pretty good at winning but until we beat that guy we don't have our guy

I agree, we need someone who can put up points in this offense nearly at will. Fortunately, we have the supporting cast for that. We just need a QB who can do that consistently. Purdy was able to do that but we don't know how he will be once he comes back or if he can keep it up.

that's what worries me the most about starting Darnold or Lance, I think we can win enough regular season games with them but we would need them to be much more dynamic if we wanted to win a chip.

i don't see darnold being able to do that and if Lance is ever capable of doing that, I think he will need a lot more experience - probably 2 seasons of play, if he ever does.

Besides just loving the way Purdy played, I think he's the only one on the roster capable of operating this offense at that level next season.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
So then you just say f**k you to the rest of the guys? It doesn't look like Kyle feels strongly enough about Trey to do that. He's seen enough to know where Trey is at right now. It's not going to magically get better by just throwing him out there where guys can hit him

The only person who knows what Kyle thinks about Trey is Kyle and maybe Lynch. We can all discuss what we think might happen but its all just guessing.

All educated guesses point to low confidence

What's so 'educated' about opinions? "Educated guesses" are nothing more than assumptions. All these debates and arguments over assumptions and opinions are laughable and sad too.

It's educated because all evidence points to that opinion being correct. We can't read minds, but we can read words and actions. You pretty much have to stick your head in the sand to believe they are confident in Trey

Dude, there is no 'evidence' and it's not 'educated'. It's hearsay and opinion all mixed together. It simply is a crutch used to argue with others. Nobody posting on here knows what the coaching staff is thinking with regard to the players.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I agree, we need someone who can put up points in this offense nearly at will. Fortunately, we have the supporting cast for that. We just need a QB who can do that consistently. Purdy was able to do that but we don't know how he will be once he comes back or if he can keep it up.

that's what worries me the most about starting Darnold or Lance, I think we can win enough regular season games with them but we would need them to be much more dynamic if we wanted to win a chip.

i don't see darnold being able to do that and if Lance is ever capable of doing that, I think he will need a lot more experience - probably 2 seasons of play, if he ever does.

Besides just loving the way Purdy played, I think he's the only one on the roster capable of operating this offense at that level next season.

If one of these guys beats Mahomes I'm sold. If Purdy had have done that last year I'd have told Lance to hold that clipboard and wait his turn. Simple as that. I'm waiting on a Lombardi before settling. Jimmy came close but not quite. He is a starting QB but we want it all!

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I agree, we need someone who can put up points in this offense nearly at will. Fortunately, we have the supporting cast for that. We just need a QB who can do that consistently. Purdy was able to do that but we don't know how he will be once he comes back or if he can keep it up.

that's what worries me the most about starting Darnold or Lance, I think we can win enough regular season games with them but we would need them to be much more dynamic if we wanted to win a chip.

i don't see darnold being able to do that and if Lance is ever capable of doing that, I think he will need a lot more experience - probably 2 seasons of play, if he ever does.

Besides just loving the way Purdy played, I think he's the only one on the roster capable of operating this offense at that level next season.

If one of these guys beats Mahomes I'm sold. If Purdy had have done that last year I'd have told Lance to hold that clipboard and wait his turn. Simple as that. I'm waiting on a Lombardi before settling. Jimmy came close but not quite. He is a starting QB but we want it all!

That's fair, I get what you're saying. So I guess the question to you would be - who would you give the first chance to show that week 1? (Assuming everyone is healthy and could go week 1?)

Would you let them duke it out in camp? And if so, would you start Purdy at all since he is going to miss most of amp, if not all?

im just curious your opinion.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Just based on their film and overall experience. I can watch all of Treys tape from college and NFL and there's nothing that tells me he's better than Darnold.

I also base it off the fact that Kyle and John are already undermining Trey and don't have a lot of excitement about him and his future here. I know you guys don't want to see it that way, but anyone that's not a Trey homer sees it. Imo you'd have to be pretty bad for a team that spent all that draft capital to be ready to move on without seeing much.

Kyle has seen the film and he thinks Sam can play. I know the "Darnold is here just to save our ass if something extremely rare happens again" narrative sounds amazing and makes sense for us, but it doesn't for Darnold. He wouldnt sign here to just sit around for us in case lightning strikes twice

Watch a lot of film do you?

That's the thing with experience...you can't get it until you get it. Trey has more experience on this team and in this offense than Darnold does.

It took Matt Ryan 2 years to master Shanahan's offense. Darnold is here on a 1 year deal. We're just going to assume he comes in and picks up the playbook without issue? Maybe...but right now we haven't seen a single snap from him.

Kyle Shanahan has seen Trey Lance's film and thought he could play. Seems like you like to forget that part.

Darnold signed here because Purdy is on the shelf for who knows how long and has 8 starts under his belt. Trey is still recovering himself and has 4 starts under his belt. It's not that deep. He saw a great team in place and a spot where he could come in and compete and try to land a starting spot.

What other team this good has a question at QB whether injury wise or lack of starting experience wise? Not like he signed a 4 year deal here.

Kyle actually didn't like Treys film, he liked Trey the person and "hoped he'd see what he didn't see" in treys film. He went for the character and upside hoping it would work out, but the way things have played out it is not going to

lol you just love to interpret things the way you need them to be and you're delusional. Deadly combination.

Kyle Shanahan on Trey Lance

His natural ability to play the quarterback position, just in terms of how he plays in the pocket, how he can go through the progressions, how, when no one's open, that he gives it a chance, that he recognizes it. And how quick he reacts to turning it into an off-schedule play. He plays on tape like he's a very poised, smart person who's been playing the position for a while.

Then you look into the other attributes, and you're like "Oh, I haven't even gotten to the running skill set." I haven't gotten to the upside of how much better he can get, the more he plays. That's what made me like him so much right away.

Sure sounds like he hated Trey's tape...

Not to mention you got the quote backwards. They loved Trey's film but they wanted to see what the film wouldn't show them...the person and the trade up allowed them to dig into him and his intangibles and they loved that even more than the film. That in no way says Shanahan didn't like the film. WTF are you even trying to imply lol? That they made the move that they did to get a QB and picked the guy they liked as a person but didn't like his film...

Guess now I know why you call yourself Charlie Sheen, clearly you're into some heavy drugs.

The positives are a given, but he talks a lot about how he got know him more and started believing he could do it. I think he bought into the person and started believing what he wasn't seeing or whatever he said. That tells me that Trey the person convinced him more than the tape.

They didn't trade up for Trey. I think once they made the trade they realized they had no choice but to swing for the fences, and it seems like they whiffed big time

You trolling me right?

The actual quote from Shanahan references being excited about how Trey showed up on tape. They then make the trade up to 3 so they can dig into the QBs and weed out anything bad. I've brought up the Draft Day movie analogy. They made the move up for Callahan and then he set his guys to dig and find any reason why they shouldn't take him.

Same thing we did, except when they dug into Trey they liked him even more. You think they found some secret film they didn't have before? Or do you think they found out about his intangibles and things they couldn't see on film?

No matter how many mental gymnastics you do nothing will change clear proof that Kyle Shanahan liked Trey Lance's film and to the point where we actually selected him. All the "he liked Sam Darnold's film" stuff we don't know if Kyle would've actually taken him. He's talked about liking Trubisky film, Mac Jones film and many other players who we didn't actually take but had the ability to do so.

He liked Trey's film and we did draft him. So all this speculation about 49ers looking to trade Trey could very easily be people letting their own minds wonder much like you did with claiming Kyle didn't like Trey's film.

We'll see in two weeks how they feel about Trey. I would be shocked if they trade him and I would be incredibly worried about this team if they do because it tells me Shanahan has no idea what he's doing at the most important position in the game and we're reacting to small sample sizes. I'd like to think our HC learns from prior mistakes.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They didn't trade up for Trey. I think once they made the trade they realized they had no choice but to swing for the fences, and it seems like they whiffed big time

Can you explain this? It was obvious to anyone and everyone who picks one and two were going to be that year, so are you saying the 49ers traded up, knowing who would, and more importantly who would not, be available @3, and then just grabbed Trey because...?

Somebody posted an interview with Kyle where he said they were still deciding who they were going to pick after the trade up. I think the idea of trading up to have the choice between Max/Trey/Fields kinda backfired in the sense that it forced their hand. Fields and Mac likely will never justify 3 firsts, so they went with the guy they convinced themselves they could mold into that

This is not complicated.

They traded up with Trey being the reason knowing they weren't getting him at their original pick. They didn't have his name in an envelope AJ Jenkins style though. The trade up allowed them to go in heavy digging up every bit of info not shown on film(no matter how much you want to act otherwise film is film, it doesn't change after a trade happens)

They didn't have to be sneaky about their QB research after that move. And as for the rest of your post Justin Fields was easily the favorite by 49er fans. If they took him they would've definitely won the PR war.

I wanted Fields, I know most did. There was a small group who wanted Lance and smaller group who wanted Mac. It really became - anyone but Mac at 3.

So it wasn't some panic move because clearly Shanahan doesn't give a F about opinion of fans or Justin Fields is a 49er right now.

Originally posted by tankle104:
We can say what we want about Trey but he does seem like a really good guy and teammate. It's what makes me root for him and to hope he proves me wrong (whether it's here or somewhere else) - besides the fact he's a 49ers qb. Just seems like a really good guy.

"While both seek the starting job, Lance and Purdy have been in close contact this offseason."

"We've been shooting each other texts and keeping up and making sure we're all good," Purdy said, via Matt Barrows. "He obviously has reached out a bunch since my surgery and (during) the recovery process, making sure things are good. I know he's throwing and looking great down in Texas. So I'm really excited for him."

I can honestly say that the qb room of Jimmy. Trey and Brock may have been one of the nicest and most well liked group of qbs of all time.

But being a nice guy isn't a component to being a great qb. It's easier to root for them, sure.

Brady, rodgers, Montana. a*****es.

Crap quoted wrong post.