Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

Yeah, yeah they did. Because Jimmy. Wasn't. Good enough. Period.

Now, should they have tried harder to get a top tier QB instead of drafting one? Yes. But staying with Jimmy? He's good enough to end your season with a crushing emotional stomping. They, like everyone else but Jimmy stans, knew he wasn't going to get the team a ring. That is the main reason they were looking to upgrade.

Originally posted by tankle104:
That's fair, I get what you're saying. So I guess the question to you would be - who would you give the first chance to show that week 1? (Assuming everyone is healthy and could go week 1?)

Would you let them duke it out in camp? And if so, would you start Purdy at all since he is going to miss most of amp, if not all?

im just curious your opinion.

I have said all along that if Purdy never got hurt based on what he has shown on the field he would be taking first team snaps all summer despite there being a QB competition. Had Purdy won it all he would be QB1 franchise guy undisputed. As it is now Darnold is the only guy healthy but Trey is soon to join him. Let Trey and Darnold duke it out to be week 1 starter UNTIL Purdy is healthy enough to join the fray. If Purdy is healthy enough to take first team reps for 2 weeks prior to season beginning then he should get first crack at it.

My money has always been on Trey starting week 1 due to Brocks injury recovery timeline. I am talking about recovery, then getting full go clearance, then getting back up to speed with NFL game speed to beat a team that has game planned all summer to beat us week 1 whether it be home or away. I am talking about getting in a summer's worth of reps with the personnel both new and old. Reps where QB1 gets to run all the plays with the 1s and get the timing down.

Most gambling houses will give the nod to Trey or Darnold starting week 1 because Brock is injured. The team made it clear that Brock is QB1 as it stands right now if healthy but his injury has opened up the week 1 starter job for the winner of this offseason's QB2 competition

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah, yeah they did. Because Jimmy. Wasn't. Good enough. Period.

Now, should they have tried harder to get a top tier QB instead of drafting one? Yes. But staying with Jimmy? He's good enough to end your season with a crushing emotional stomping. They, like everyone else but Jimmy stans, knew he wasn't going to get the team a ring. That is the main reason they were looking to upgrade.

We had the best team in football in 2019 but we lost because KC had Superman at QB and we had Jimmy G. When he could not stay healthy in 2020, that set forth the hunt for our QB stud and that led to drafting Trey. We knew he would be a project but we knew we had Jimmy one more year to groom Trey as KC did Mahomes. That was our plan but it has not worked out that way thus far

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We had the best team in football in 2019 but we lost because KC had Superman at QB and we had Jimmy G. When he could not stay healthy in 2020, that set forth the hunt for our QB stud and that led to drafting Trey. We knew he would be a project but we knew we had Jimmy one more year to groom Trey as KC did Mahomes. That was our plan but it has not worked out that way thus far

That's where they goofed up. Trey didn't have the experience Mahomes did in college it would've benefited him had he started from the beginning.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We had the best team in football in 2019 but we lost because KC had Superman at QB and we had Jimmy G. When he could not stay healthy in 2020, that set forth the hunt for our QB stud and that led to drafting Trey. We knew he would be a project but we knew we had Jimmy one more year to groom Trey as KC did Mahomes. That was our plan but it has not worked out that way thus far

That's where they goofed up. Trey didn't have the experience Mahomes did in college it would've benefited him had he started from the beginning.

Us and the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, this year. We get our revenge.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

Yeah, yeah they did. Because Jimmy. Wasn't. Good enough. Period.

Now, should they have tried harder to get a top tier QB instead of drafting one? Yes. But staying with Jimmy? He's good enough to end your season with a crushing emotional stomping. They, like everyone else but Jimmy stans, knew he wasn't going to get the team a ring. That is the main reason they were looking to upgrade.

Brings up the other guy in the Trey thread and has the audacity to call others stans lol.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by tankle104:
That's fair, I get what you're saying. So I guess the question to you would be - who would you give the first chance to show that week 1? (Assuming everyone is healthy and could go week 1?)

Would you let them duke it out in camp? And if so, would you start Purdy at all since he is going to miss most of amp, if not all?

im just curious your opinion.

I have said all along that if Purdy never got hurt based on what he has shown on the field he would be taking first team snaps all summer despite there being a QB competition. Had Purdy won it all he would be QB1 franchise guy undisputed. As it is now Darnold is the only guy healthy but Trey is soon to join him. Let Trey and Darnold duke it out to be week 1 starter UNTIL Purdy is healthy enough to join the fray. If Purdy is healthy enough to take first team reps for 2 weeks prior to season beginning then he should get first crack at it.

My money has always been on Trey starting week 1 due to Brocks injury recovery timeline. I am talking about recovery, then getting full go clearance, then getting back up to speed with NFL game speed to beat a team that has game planned all summer to beat us week 1 whether it be home or away. I am talking about getting in a summer's worth of reps with the personnel both new and old. Reps where QB1 gets to run all the plays with the 1s and get the timing down.

Most gambling houses will give the nod to Trey or Darnold starting week 1 because Brock is injured. The team made it clear that Brock is QB1 as it stands right now if healthy but his injury has opened up the week 1 starter job for the winner of this offseason's QB2 competition

Yup... This looks to be Treys job to lose with Purdy's injury. He can either come in and take it like Brock did or not be good enough and get benched once Brock becomes fully healthy I personally think Trey is going to surprise people if he does get the chance.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I can honestly say that the qb room of Jimmy. Trey and Brock may have been one of the nicest and most well liked group of qbs of all time.

But being a nice guy isn't a component to being a great qb. It's easier to root for them, sure.

Brady, rodgers, Montana. a*****es.

Very true, Alex smith was one of the nicest guys I've seen as a player before and well, we know how that worked out.

There is a reason why the saying is "nice guys finish last", there is a lot of truth to that statement. Doesn't mean D-bags always win, it's more of there is a time and place to be nice and a time and a place to let someone know they're about to get harm put on them. (In a competitive work environment ahahaha not relationship)

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We had the best team in football in 2019 but we lost because KC had Superman at QB and we had Jimmy G. When he could not stay healthy in 2020, that set forth the hunt for our QB stud and that led to drafting Trey. We knew he would be a project but we knew we had Jimmy one more year to groom Trey as KC did Mahomes. That was our plan but it has not worked out that way thus far

That's where they goofed up. Trey didn't have the experience Mahomes did in college it would've benefited him had he started from the beginning.

Us and the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, this year. We get our revenge.

Very likely this is the chance, if everyone stays healthy.
KC has done a great job reloading their roster at WR too. They tend to always have a ton of speed.

I really think that If Brock can come back healthy and play as well, or even slightly better, than we will be the best team in the league. It will be up to us to bring it every week and stay focused, if we can, we should hoist the Lombardi.

we just need health on our side

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

So then you just say f**k you to the rest of the guys? It doesn't look like Kyle feels strongly enough about Trey to do that. He's seen enough to know where Trey is at right now. It's not going to magically get better by just throwing him out there where guys can hit him

The only person who knows what Kyle thinks about Trey is Kyle and maybe Lynch. We can all discuss what we think might happen but its all just guessing.

All educated guesses point to low confidence

What's so 'educated' about opinions? "Educated guesses" are nothing more than assumptions. All these debates and arguments over assumptions and opinions are laughable and sad too.

It's educated because all evidence points to that opinion being correct. We can't read minds, but we can read words and actions. You pretty much have to stick your head in the sand to believe they are confident in Trey

Dude, there is no 'evidence' and it's not 'educated'. It's hearsay and opinion all mixed together. It simply is a crutch used to argue with others. Nobody posting on here knows what the coaching staff is thinking with regard to the players.

Ok everyone in the football world but Trey fans are just making things up. There is evidence that points to them not being confident anymore. You can think they are confident I really don't care, I don't think they are confident in him at all

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

They didn't trade up for Trey. I think once they made the trade they realized they had no choice but to swing for the fences, and it seems like they whiffed big time

Can you explain this? It was obvious to anyone and everyone who picks one and two were going to be that year, so are you saying the 49ers traded up, knowing who would, and more importantly who would not, be available @3, and then just grabbed Trey because...?

Somebody posted an interview with Kyle where he said they were still deciding who they were going to pick after the trade up. I think the idea of trading up to have the choice between Max/Trey/Fields kinda backfired in the sense that it forced their hand. Fields and Mac likely will never justify 3 firsts, so they went with the guy they convinced themselves they could mold into that

This is not complicated.

They traded up with Trey being the reason knowing they weren't getting him at their original pick. They didn't have his name in an envelope AJ Jenkins style though. The trade up allowed them to go in heavy digging up every bit of info not shown on film(no matter how much you want to act otherwise film is film, it doesn't change after a trade happens)

They didn't have to be sneaky about their QB research after that move. And as for the rest of your post Justin Fields was easily the favorite by 49er fans. If they took him they would've definitely won the PR war.

I wanted Fields, I know most did. There was a small group who wanted Lance and smaller group who wanted Mac. It really became - anyone but Mac at 3.

So it wasn't some panic move because clearly Shanahan doesn't give a F about opinion of fans or Justin Fields is a 49er right now.

They traded up to choose between 3 QBs that imo will never be worth the capital they gave up. It was a stupid move from the start, but since we made the move I wanted Trey because he was the only one green enough for me to think there's a possibility. As of now I don't think there is a possibility. Even if they don't get what they want in the draft he's not going to be factor here in the future imo. He's so green he just doesn't have a chance at this point

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They didn't trade up for Trey. I think once they made the trade they realized they had no choice but to swing for the fences, and it seems like they whiffed big time

Can you explain this? It was obvious to anyone and everyone who picks one and two were going to be that year, so are you saying the 49ers traded up, knowing who would, and more importantly who would not, be available @3, and then just grabbed Trey because...?

Somebody posted an interview with Kyle where he said they were still deciding who they were going to pick after the trade up. I think the idea of trading up to have the choice between Max/Trey/Fields kinda backfired in the sense that it forced their hand. Fields and Mac likely will never justify 3 firsts, so they went with the guy they convinced themselves they could mold into that

This is not complicated.

They traded up with Trey being the reason knowing they weren't getting him at their original pick. They didn't have his name in an envelope AJ Jenkins style though. The trade up allowed them to go in heavy digging up every bit of info not shown on film(no matter how much you want to act otherwise film is film, it doesn't change after a trade happens)

They didn't have to be sneaky about their QB research after that move. And as for the rest of your post Justin Fields was easily the favorite by 49er fans. If they took him they would've definitely won the PR war.

I wanted Fields, I know most did. There was a small group who wanted Lance and smaller group who wanted Mac. It really became - anyone but Mac at 3.

So it wasn't some panic move because clearly Shanahan doesn't give a F about opinion of fans or Justin Fields is a 49er right now.

They traded up to choose between 3 QBs that imo will never be worth the capital they gave up. It was a stupid move from the start, but since we made the move I wanted Trey because he was the only one green enough for me to think there's a possibility. As of now I don't think there is a possibility. Even if they don't get what they want in the draft he's not going to be factor here in the future imo. He's so green he just doesn't have a chance at this point

Justin Fields is far from a slam dunk franchise QB at this point so Fields vs. Lance is not even a mature enough comparison at this point.

Who cares about the 2021 draft so long as we get a franchise QB out of either Purdy or Lance.

Draft picks are over rated. The NFL has hyped the draft to the point that 1st round picks are deemed gold but the reality is that many fail or under achieve. It is slightly better odds than playing the craps table.

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Justin Fields is far from a slam dunk franchise QB at this point so Fields vs. Lance is not even a mature enough comparison at this point.

Who cares about the 2021 draft so long as we get a franchise QB out of either Purdy or Lance.

Draft picks are over rated. The NFL has hyped the draft to the point that 1st round picks are deemed gold but the reality is that many fail or under achieve. It is slightly better odds than playing the craps table.

They are cost controlled lottery picks. But the assumption is every pick not made would've been a hit.

Teams get into far more trouble with who they overpay or dont pay then with trading draft picks. What the 9ers can't do again is pay top qb money to a guy who isn't that. Whether it's Brock Trey or someone else once they pay them.this time they need that level of play or that will be what kills this groip.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They traded up to choose between 3 QBs that imo will never be worth the capital they gave up. It was a stupid move from the start, but since we made the move I wanted Trey because he was the only one green enough for me to think there's a possibility. As of now I don't think there is a possibility. Even if they don't get what they want in the draft he's not going to be factor here in the future imo. He's so green he just doesn't have a chance at this point

I do believe that we traded up to ensure we got the guy we wanted, but I don't believe we knew exactly who we wanted at the time. The dolphins were shopping the pick and the team most likely thought that if anyone jumps them, it limits their chance of getting their guy.

Kyles talked about when they traded up, it gave them time to further evaluate the guys and that's when he was sold on Lance. So I don't think when they traded up, it was with strictly Lance in mind, just gave us the ability to pick the one we wanted.

i thought Lance wasn't on the table because he was so green and unknown. I've talked about how I liked Fields the most out of the three. Jury is still out and we will see. This is a critical off season for Lance and I think the results are completely on his shoulders. It'll be fun to watch

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by tankle104:
That's fair, I get what you're saying. So I guess the question to you would be - who would you give the first chance to show that week 1? (Assuming everyone is healthy and could go week 1?)

Would you let them duke it out in camp? And if so, would you start Purdy at all since he is going to miss most of amp, if not all?

im just curious your opinion.

I have said all along that if Purdy never got hurt based on what he has shown on the field he would be taking first team snaps all summer despite there being a QB competition. Had Purdy won it all he would be QB1 franchise guy undisputed. As it is now Darnold is the only guy healthy but Trey is soon to join him. Let Trey and Darnold duke it out to be week 1 starter UNTIL Purdy is healthy enough to join the fray. If Purdy is healthy enough to take first team reps for 2 weeks prior to season beginning then he should get first crack at it.

My money has always been on Trey starting week 1 due to Brocks injury recovery timeline. I am talking about recovery, then getting full go clearance, then getting back up to speed with NFL game speed to beat a team that has game planned all summer to beat us week 1 whether it be home or away. I am talking about getting in a summer's worth of reps with the personnel both new and old. Reps where QB1 gets to run all the plays with the 1s and get the timing down.

Most gambling houses will give the nod to Trey or Darnold starting week 1 because Brock is injured. The team made it clear that Brock is QB1 as it stands right now if healthy but his injury has opened up the week 1 starter job for the winner of this offseason's QB2 competition

Yup... This looks to be Treys job to lose with Purdy's injury. He can either come in and take it like Brock did or not be good enough and get benched once Brock becomes fully healthy I personally think Trey is going to surprise people if he does get the chance.

I have to disagree with the wording a bit, and say this is Trey's job to win - not lose. I think if there was no Purdy injury, Trey wouldn't even have an opening. So he can't just "not lose" the starting job, he has to play exceptional to win it. This is going to be some tremendous pressure, basically having preseason and maybe 1 or 2 games to out do what Brock did in 8 games. If Trey does that, I think it's going to put a lot of preassure on the front office too - having to decide between a QB that can be exceptional and bring elite traits, or the guy that just comes in and plays QB like a vet from day one. The haul of draft capital in one, versus probably the biggest QB draft steal since Brady.