Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Polkadots:
Yes, Kyle and John have said EVERYTHING. Whatever side of the argument you are on, you can find snippets from Kyle and John supporting your position. That's why the back and forth is a waste of time. Everyone can find something supporting their position, and everyone else can find something contradicting said position. Ludicrous.

Very true

I think the fact they said anytbing besides "he can win the job" or "it's a competition" or that they said who's QB1 speaks volumes. That's my opinion, but there is no reason to say that if you are confident in a player. That's like Lawrence going down and someone coming in playing really good and then the teams like "it's the new guys job". It would be strange to do that unless they didn't believe in him.

I just can't see a team who genuinely believes that a player is special, not giving him the job back. You usually put that guy under center every chance you get, not play someone else. Especially when Trey is the one on a more restricted timeline than Purdy. They could think Lance and Purdy are special, but you'd push Lance because you're running out of time with him to make decisions. We have Purdy for three more years no matter what. If they thought Lance was special they'd get him playing time no matter what because of where he is in his contract. That's my opinion anyways.

not that Lance can't win the job or their confidence back, I just think it's naive to think their confidence in him isn't fractured - or at an all time low. They obviously think he can be a good player but they're the ones in meetings and practices with him all the time, my impression is that they haven't seen what they were hoping to be seen.

doesn't mean Lance is dumb or not capable, just makes me believe I was right about him being more of a game manager (like he was in college) and not a superstar.

also doesn't mean they're right and he could turn into a superstar. It's just hard to hear their comments and not interpret that their confidence in him being a superstar isn't fractured.

I think you guys are reading what you want to read and are making the comment far more than it is. Brock played extremely well. It's going to take Trey to play even better to retake the job. It's no knock on Trey at all nor some subliminal message that Trey is not performing.

There is no way Trey Lance is a game manager. He is a boom or bust superstar in the making or Kwame Brown bust life gonna be

Any QB that you line up and get 8 men in the box and that can hand the ball off for 9ypc without CMC is gonna either light up the league or flame out immediately over the course of a season

Trey is gonna be a game breaker whether it be for the good or the bad. Not a game manager

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
Yeah you'd never know…unless you stopped ignoring comments like these…

"Trey brings a lot to the table. I think first of all, you talk [of] his makeup, of his character, who he is as a person. We really believed in that, and we're probably even stronger on that. He does bring kind of that dual capacity, where we felt like he could be a pocket passer, but also add another dimension as a runner."

"we like Trey on our team and we are very excited about the way he is progressing about his opportunity."

"I feel we're in a very good situation at quarterback where we drafted a guy we really wanted, and we don't feel any different about him now than we did three years ago when we took him. It's just unfortunate that he hasn't gotten to play. He was going to play last year and I think people were going to be very impressed with him, but he got hurt. That opened opportunities, and now we have another guy who can play very well, we have Sam Darnold who can play and I hope all three of these guys are with us, but we'll listen to anything."

You read all that but all you see is "we'll listen to anything"

If you actually take your blinders off and read carefully the only reason they're not screaming from the top of the roof about their love for Trey is cuz he hasn't played and got hurt and Brock played as well as he did.

You expect them to act like a 4 game starter should be worshiped in the media as proof the team isn't hoping to trade him?

Kyle Shanahan is incredibly calculated with his comments when he wants to be. They want Trey to come in and compete his ass off. They're not going to coddle him anymore. Not with the way Brock played but it doesn't mean they're done with him.

And you left out

"I think it's going to be harder for him to [win the starting QB job]," Shanahan said Wednesday at the league's annual meeting. "Brock played eight games. Trey had that job going into last season and if he would've played eight games like that, no one else would've been able to come in and beat him out. But with Brock being hurt, it does open him up. It does give him a chance.

"Trey is a great person but he's also smart and he knows what he saw. He knows the level that Brock played at so he understands that," Shanahan said. "I've talked to Trey the same way I'm talking to you guys now, so he gets it.

Correct. I'm not here claiming they're 100% not trading Trey this year and he's firmly QB1 and their plans for the spot for 10+ years.

The dude made a claim that nothing in their comments indicated they want Lance here and that's not true at all. They praised him a lot more in their comments than any indication that he was going to be traded and yet people latch on to the that idea somehow and then claim "where there is smoke there's fire" well the smoke isn't coming from the 49ers like these guys want to believe.

John and Kyle didn't say anything shocking. Hell even Trey said it - Brock is the leader for QB1 since he has the most track record of winning on this team. It doesn't mean they're done with Trey and looking to move him.

They always claim "we'll always listen to offers" issue is always about compensation and it's doubtful anyone offers enough to push the trade along.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They've said enough that the positive is just fluff to me. If they say it's a challenge for him to play that means he's done to me

Once again you keep saying this crap…that's not what was said.

I think his biggest thing, we just have to find a way, and I've had a lot of conversations with Trey, early in my career, I struggled to stay healthy, and then I hit an eight-year stretch where I didn't miss the snap, so sometimes you just have to go through that, the rough patches, and he has to play.

And that's the biggest challenge, we have a team that's ready to go now. He has to get out there and play. Brock got that opportunity this year. He grabbed it, he did great things, we'll see at some point how we get Trey that opportunity because we very much believe in who he is as a person and who he is as a quarterback."

The biggest challenge he's talking about is Trey showing he can stay healthy and play well. Saying they'll see how they get Trey that opportunity to get out there and show off like Brock did is just further point that Brock is QB1 if healthy at this point. He's not and both John and Kyle confirmed Trey has a chance to come in and show what he can do.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

They've said enough that the positive is just fluff to me. If they say it's a challenge for him to play that means he's done to me

Once again you keep saying this crap…that's not what was said.

I think his biggest thing, we just have to find a way, and I've had a lot of conversations with Trey, early in my career, I struggled to stay healthy, and then I hit an eight-year stretch where I didn't miss the snap, so sometimes you just have to go through that, the rough patches, and he has to play.

And that's the biggest challenge, we have a team that's ready to go now. He has to get out there and play. Brock got that opportunity this year. He grabbed it, he did great things, we'll see at some point how we get Trey that opportunity because we very much believe in who he is as a person and who he is as a quarterback."

The biggest challenge he's talking about is Trey showing he can stay healthy and play well. Saying they'll see how they get Trey that opportunity to get out there and show off like Brock did is just further point that Brock is QB1 if healthy at this point. He's not and both John and Kyle confirmed Trey has a chance to come in and show what he can do.

He ends the first paragraph with "and he has to play"

And continues with "and that's the biggest challenge. We have a team ready to go now. He has to get out there and play"

He's clearly talking about him getting playing time is going to be challenging because we have a team that's ready to go now and Trey will hold them back.

At least that's how I interpret those comments. You can interpret them the way you wish

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He ends the first paragraph with "and he has to play"

And continues with "and that's the biggest challenge. We have a team ready to go now. He has to get out there and play"

He's clearly talking about him getting playing time is going to be challenging because we have a team that's ready to go now and Trey will hold them back.

At least that's how I interpret those comments. You can interpret them the way you wish

Yeah that's obvious considering you have an issue with Trey. You remove 90% of the context and zero in on what you're looking for. Must be a nice way to live.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He ends the first paragraph with "and he has to play"

And continues with "and that's the biggest challenge. We have a team ready to go now. He has to get out there and play"

He's clearly talking about him getting playing time is going to be challenging because we have a team that's ready to go now and Trey will hold them back.

At least that's how I interpret those comments. You can interpret them the way you wish

Yeah that's obvious considering you have an issue with Trey. You remove 90% of the context and zero in on what you're looking for. Must be a nice way to live.

This. It's extremely obvious what they were saying.

CS gonna CS. Part pit bull and part snapping turtle. He'll never let go and never give up.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
CS gonna CS. Part pit bull and part snapping turtle. He'll never let go and never give up.

Never go full CS

NFN having Alex Smith thread flashbacks

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

NFN having Alex Smith thread flashbacks

Wouldn't doubt it. Very similar with everyone telling me I'm a delusional moron and how Andy is just smitten with Alex and how he runs the offense exactly how Andy wants

Charlie Sheen was right the whole time

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
NFN having Alex Smith thread flashbacks

Wouldn't doubt it. Very similar with everyone telling me I'm a delusional moron and how Andy is just smitten with Alex and how he runs the offense exactly how Andy wants

Charlie Sheen was right the whole time

Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
NFN having Alex Smith thread flashbacks

Wouldn't doubt it. Very similar with everyone telling me I'm a delusional moron and how Andy is just smitten with Alex and how he runs the offense exactly how Andy wants

Charlie Sheen was right the whole time

Besides people calling you a moron, which is very understandable, how is this situation similar?