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Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
NFN having Alex Smith thread flashbacks


Wouldn't doubt it. Very similar with everyone telling me I'm a delusional moron and how Andy is just smitten with Alex and how he runs the offense exactly how Andy wants

Charlie Sheen was right the whole time

Besides people calling you a moron, which is very understandable, how is this situation similar?

It's the same premise. Fans that are just too in love with a player to see or accept the truth. Just like Alex fans, Trey fans get very frustrated with my takes and resort to personal attacks. I'm okay with it as I know how much the truth can hurt. I remained true to what I believed through those years and "the moron" ended up being proven right
[ Edited by CharlieSheen on Apr 17, 2023 at 1:48 AM ]
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
NFN having Alex Smith thread flashbacks


Wouldn't doubt it. Very similar with everyone telling me I'm a delusional moron and how Andy is just smitten with Alex and how he runs the offense exactly how Andy wants

Charlie Sheen was right the whole time

Besides people calling you a moron, which is very understandable, how is this situation similar?

It's the same premise. Fans that are just too in love with a player to see or accept the truth. Just like Alex fans, Trey fans get very frustrated with my takes and resort to personal attacks. I'm okay with it as I know how much the truth can hurt. I remained true to what I believed through those years and "the moron" ended up being proven right

Alex had about 6(?) years here to show his stuff. Trey a couple of games...So if you're that amazing at analyzing players based on such a little sample size, you should be a scout in the NFL, not spewing dumb hot takes on a forum.
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
NFN having Alex Smith thread flashbacks


Wouldn't doubt it. Very similar with everyone telling me I'm a delusional moron and how Andy is just smitten with Alex and how he runs the offense exactly how Andy wants

Charlie Sheen was right the whole time

Besides people calling you a moron, which is very understandable, how is this situation similar?

It's the same premise. Fans that are just too in love with a player to see or accept the truth. Just like Alex fans, Trey fans get very frustrated with my takes and resort to personal attacks. I'm okay with it as I know how much the truth can hurt. I remained true to what I believed through those years and "the moron" ended up being proven right

Alex had about 6(?) years here to show his stuff. Trey a couple of games...So if you're that amazing at analyzing players based on such a little sample size, you should be a scout in the NFL, not spewing dumb hot takes on a forum.

Our team sucked and the best QB we had in that time was Shaun Hill. If Trey were in the same situation I could see him sticking around. In our current situation I think he has no future here
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
NFN having Alex Smith thread flashbacks


Wouldn't doubt it. Very similar with everyone telling me I'm a delusional moron and how Andy is just smitten with Alex and how he runs the offense exactly how Andy wants

Charlie Sheen was right the whole time

Besides people calling you a moron, which is very understandable, how is this situation similar?

It's the same premise. Fans that are just too in love with a player to see or accept the truth. Just like Alex fans, Trey fans get very frustrated with my takes and resort to personal attacks. I'm okay with it as I know how much the truth can hurt. I remained true to what I believed through those years and "the moron" ended up being proven right

Alex had about 6(?) years here to show his stuff. Trey a couple of games...So if you're that amazing at analyzing players based on such a little sample size, you should be a scout in the NFL, not spewing dumb hot takes on a forum.

Our team sucked and the best QB we had in that time was Shaun Hill. If Trey were in the same situation I could see him sticking around. In our current situation I think he has no future here

Well, with our injury history I am not sure that your opinion carries much weight. All 3 of our current quarterbacks need playing time and coaching and whoever ends up starting deserves the support of the fans.
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
NFN having Alex Smith thread flashbacks


Wouldn't doubt it. Very similar with everyone telling me I'm a delusional moron and how Andy is just smitten with Alex and how he runs the offense exactly how Andy wants

Charlie Sheen was right the whole time

Besides people calling you a moron, which is very understandable, how is this situation similar?

It's the same premise. Fans that are just too in love with a player to see or accept the truth. Just like Alex fans, Trey fans get very frustrated with my takes and resort to personal attacks. I'm okay with it as I know how much the truth can hurt. I remained true to what I believed through those years and "the moron" ended up being proven right

Alex had about 6(?) years here to show his stuff. Trey a couple of games...So if you're that amazing at analyzing players based on such a little sample size, you should be a scout in the NFL, not spewing dumb hot takes on a forum.

My man cooking here...

Situations couldn't be anymore different.

The whole idea that Lance has played poorly is driven by 3 groups of people - people with absurd expectations and lack of regard for context, people who don't actually remember the details of Trey's games and people who don't care and have an issue for personal reasons.

Call them excuses, call them context but end of the day it's an absurd notion to think we can call Trey's career at this point given the circumstances of it and the lack of sample size. Difference is the people who think Trey isn't a finished product don't have him enshrined into the HOF or think he's guaranteed to be an elite QB in the NFL but the other group thinks he's shown enough to be labeled a bust.
We may use up all of them.Love or hate them, any one of them may do well for us.
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I was at the opener when Lance snapped his ankle and the minute that cart came out, you could feel this poor guy's career was over before it started.

When they had the first run with Lance, I said to my wife and friend "If they call these plays, they're gonna kill him". Sure enough, Shanny did.

Now I don't say this as an "I told you so" or like I was seeing something others weren't...in fact, the opposite. It was abundantly clear that if Shanahan was going to give dangerous RPO's with the option going up the gut that this kid was gonna get destroyed. And that's what happened.

The niners being the niners, find a diamond in the rough in Purdy, and not only do they lose the NFCCG before it begins, but they also have his next season and beyond in jeopardy based on another horrible, freak injury.

All of this is to say...sadly, that week 2 of last season is when Lance died on the vine. And maybe it was all screwed from the get go...a panic reach pick for a completely inexperienced, basically high-school level QB...on a roster that is ready for a super bowl.

What coulda gone wrong?

He needed last year to develop but, the team wasn't in a development phase. He still needs this year to develop...and the team is in super bowl mode again. And now he's coming off of a major ankle injury, with the pressure of being in year 3 with no experience, and having a 7th round QB surpass him in every facet.

Sure, he is making great money but this is a worst-case scenario and he really stands no chance of success except maybe on another team...but it makes zero sense value-wise for SF to trade him because he's worth nothing. You have to feel for him.

This is a great post. The niners had no business drafting a.project with a ready now roster. The injury just made it worse. You have to feel bad for him. It's not his fault the niners reached.

Yeah, yeah they did. Because Jimmy. Wasn't. Good enough. Period.

Now, should they have tried harder to get a top tier QB instead of drafting one? Yes. But staying with Jimmy? He's good enough to end your season with a crushing emotional stomping. They, like everyone else but Jimmy stans, knew he wasn't going to get the team a ring. That is the main reason they were looking to upgrade.

Brings up the other guy in the Trey thread and has the audacity to call others stans lol.

I'm not a stan for anyone. The best QB on the team is Brock Purdy, and he has a chance to be a true elite guy, like Brees. Trey has a chance to steal the job back if Purdy remains out for a while, and Darnold has a chance to supplant Lance and revive his career. Either way we're going to have a good QB (unless Purdy doesn't recover in time), because if either Trey or Sam take the job, it means they played on Purdy's level.

I'm on record saying several times that Brock plays very much like Mahomes (if I'm a stan for any QB it's that guy anyway, even though my feelings for him are rage because I knew he'd be an MVP quality QB and I was quite sure the 49ers wouldn't be stupid enough to pass on him). The only real difference is arm strength. But he has the same ability to throw from any platform, the same arm angles, the same lightning fast reflexes to instantly react to unexpected chaos, the same improvisational skills, etc.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Apr 17, 2023 at 8:57 AM ]
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Polkadots:
Yes, Kyle and John have said EVERYTHING. Whatever side of the argument you are on, you can find snippets from Kyle and John supporting your position. That's why the back and forth is a waste of time. Everyone can find something supporting their position, and everyone else can find something contradicting said position. Ludicrous.

Very true

I think the fact they said anytbing besides "he can win the job" or "it's a competition" or that they said who's QB1 speaks volumes. That's my opinion, but there is no reason to say that if you are confident in a player. That's like Lawrence going down and someone coming in playing really good and then the teams like "it's the new guys job". It would be strange to do that unless they didn't believe in him.

I just can't see a team who genuinely believes that a player is special, not giving him the job back. You usually put that guy under center every chance you get, not play someone else. Especially when Trey is the one on a more restricted timeline than Purdy. They could think Lance and Purdy are special, but you'd push Lance because you're running out of time with him to make decisions. We have Purdy for three more years no matter what. If they thought Lance was special they'd get him playing time no matter what because of where he is in his contract. That's my opinion anyways.

not that Lance can't win the job or their confidence back, I just think it's naive to think their confidence in him isn't fractured - or at an all time low. They obviously think he can be a good player but they're the ones in meetings and practices with him all the time, my impression is that they haven't seen what they were hoping to be seen.

doesn't mean Lance is dumb or not capable, just makes me believe I was right about him being more of a game manager (like he was in college) and not a superstar.

also doesn't mean they're right and he could turn into a superstar. It's just hard to hear their comments and not interpret that their confidence in him being a superstar isn't fractured.

This is not a dichotomy. You can be confident in Lance (and Darnold) while being more confident in Purdy. How is this concept so difficult to understand?
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
NFN having Alex Smith thread flashbacks


Wouldn't doubt it. Very similar with everyone telling me I'm a delusional moron and how Andy is just smitten with Alex and how he runs the offense exactly how Andy wants

Charlie Sheen was right the whole time

Besides people calling you a moron, which is very understandable, how is this situation similar?

It's the same premise. Fans that are just too in love with a player to see or accept the truth. Just like Alex fans, Trey fans get very frustrated with my takes and resort to personal attacks. I'm okay with it as I know how much the truth can hurt. I remained true to what I believed through those years and "the moron" ended up being proven right

Alex had about 6(?) years here to show his stuff. Trey a couple of games...So if you're that amazing at analyzing players based on such a little sample size, you should be a scout in the NFL, not spewing dumb hot takes on a forum.

My man cooking here...

Situations couldn't be anymore different.

The whole idea that Lance has played poorly is driven by 3 groups of people - people with absurd expectations and lack of regard for context, people who don't actually remember the details of Trey's games and people who don't care and have an issue for personal reasons.

Call them excuses, call them context but end of the day it's an absurd notion to think we can call Trey's career at this point given the circumstances of it and the lack of sample size. Difference is the people who think Trey isn't a finished product don't have him enshrined into the HOF or think he's guaranteed to be an elite QB in the NFL but the other group thinks he's shown enough to be labeled a bust.

Pretty much this
Originally posted by English:
Well, with our injury history I am not sure that your opinion carries much weight. All 3 of our current quarterbacks need playing time and coaching and whoever ends up starting deserves the support of the fans.

Ditto!
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by English:
Well, with our injury history I am not sure that your opinion carries much weight. All 3 of our current quarterbacks need playing time and coaching and whoever ends up starting deserves the support of the fans.

Ditto!

Yup, I am excited to see Trey out there. I am hopefully it works out.
Trey needs to play and they need to see what they have in him. If Brock really can't play in 2023 then they need to give Trey a second chance.
9ers seem serious about DTR, meeting with him 3 times now... DTR won't be practice squad safe so he will likely make the 53

this is bad mojo for Lance, since they already signed Darnold and were jubilant about it...

appears TL is the odd man out now and a Treyde will be in the works
[ Edited by riverrunzthruit on Apr 17, 2023 at 8:02 PM ]
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
NFN having Alex Smith thread flashbacks


Wouldn't doubt it. Very similar with everyone telling me I'm a delusional moron and how Andy is just smitten with Alex and how he runs the offense exactly how Andy wants

Charlie Sheen was right the whole time

Besides people calling you a moron, which is very understandable, how is this situation similar?

It's the same premise. Fans that are just too in love with a player to see or accept the truth. Just like Alex fans, Trey fans get very frustrated with my takes and resort to personal attacks. I'm okay with it as I know how much the truth can hurt. I remained true to what I believed through those years and "the moron" ended up being proven right

Alex had about 6(?) years here to show his stuff. Trey a couple of games...So if you're that amazing at analyzing players based on such a little sample size, you should be a scout in the NFL, not spewing dumb hot takes on a forum.

Our team sucked and the best QB we had in that time was Shaun Hill. If Trey were in the same situation I could see him sticking around. In our current situation I think he has no future here

He's going to get an opportunity to prove it. My current guesstimate is that Brock returns mid Oct at the earliest, and November sometime more likely. The team will give Lance every opportunity until Brock returns to health, as they should.
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
9ers seem serious about DTR, meeting with him 3 times now... DTR won't be practice squad safe so he will likely make the 53

this is bad mojo for Lance, since they already signed Darnold and were jubilant about it...

appears TL is the odd man out now and a Treyde will be in the works

Guaranteed Lance sticks on this roster longer than Darnold does.
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