Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Why not trade him, now? People are calling and he's going to be gone anyways.

Because we have a QB with a broken elbow and a small sample size of playing well. Let's stop with the hope s**t for two secs with him. No one knows what he will be long-term. No one knows if he will be able to play at that level consistently. Toss in one the worst starting QBs in the NFL for 5 years. That's the depth chart?! For a team that breaks QBs daily?

So what you gonna get a couple day 2/3 conditional picks? Who f**king cares..they have a ton of those already. This draft stinks overall. There's like 10 players with a 1st rd grade.

there's absolutely no reason to move him…none. even if you think he stinks. They need QBs. You're not getting some legit compensation now.

if kyle QBs John thinks he blows well someone needs to be fired. Period. Being lucky with Brock doesn't make up for that s**t. It could be another Jimmy G giving the keys to the city situation all over again

also haven't you learned that you can't talk in absolutes about any QB here? Saying he's gonna be gone anyway is not fact.

We got Darnold as insurance, if Trey isn't ready to go. Plus, a draft pick in the later rounds to back, Darnold up.

How much has Darnold played here? He's got some god awful tape...everyone making the assumption that you sprinkle in Kyle Shanahan and our talent and he's instantly a great option.

Why didn't that happen with Lance? Clearly Shanahan loved Lance or we woudln't have taken him. Kyle apparently is quick to throw away people who don't respond instantly the way he wants. At other positions you can get away with it. You make the wrong decision at QB and it's a major hit.

You trade Trey now and you have total unknowns in your QB room, at least the ones who can practice.

People love the draft but I'm perfectly fine having us sit back and use the picks we already have to make moves. Like I said before, if you want to trade Lance then you do it after training camp not only do you actually save money by trading him vs taking a cap hit by trading him now(good luck paying your rookies) and you also get a look at him again, Darnold and the rookies if you add them.

Personally I would rather take less in a trade in next year's draft and make sure you're setup for success at the position this year(when we have a chance to win it all) vs taking a big risk to get a 2nd round pick and change(if that) and then find ourselves in a situation where Brock isn't back for a few weeks and Sam Darnold is the same inconsistent QB he's been here as he's been everywhere else and any rookie QB we add is lost in Kyle's offense.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Chance:
There's nothing to even compare. Trey hadn't had a chance yet. Fickle ass fans.

If they trade him that just says they don't think he'll ever be worth what they gave up to acquire him and are trying to salvage whatever they can get back before the rest of the league figures out that he can't play.

This. They have had him in the bldg for 2 years. Trust me if you hire someone, you know more after employing them for 2 years than you knew during the interview process.

If they are serious about moving TL, that would communicate to me that he simply doesn't have what it takes to play in this league. Otherwise, they wouldn't do it.

I don't think we are at this point, we will keep TL is my bet. After all when he played, he didn't look great, but he didn't look totally lost either imo.

I don't think they think, Trey has what it takes. That's yet to be seen. He's been hurt and is inexperience. They been waiting for him to get healthy and show what he's got.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Why not trade him, now? People are calling and he's going to be gone anyways.

Because we have a QB with a broken elbow and a small sample size of playing well. Let's stop with the hope s**t for two secs with him. No one knows what he will be long-term. No one knows if he will be able to play at that level consistently. Toss in one the worst starting QBs in the NFL for 5 years. That's the depth chart?! For a team that breaks QBs daily?

So what you gonna get a couple day 2/3 conditional picks? Who f**king cares..they have a ton of those already. This draft stinks overall. There's like 10 players with a 1st rd grade.

there's absolutely no reason to move him…none. even if you think he stinks. They need QBs. You're not getting some legit compensation now.

if kyle QBs John thinks he blows well someone needs to be fired. Period. Being lucky with Brock doesn't make up for that s**t. It could be another Jimmy G giving the keys to the city situation all over again

also haven't you learned that you can't talk in absolutes about any QB here? Saying he's gonna be gone anyway is not fact.

We got Darnold as insurance, if Trey isn't ready to go. Plus, a draft pick in the later rounds to back, Darnold up.

How much has Darnold played here? He's got some god awful tape...everyone making the assumption that you sprinkle in Kyle Shanahan and our talent and he's instantly a great option.

Why didn't that happen with Lance? Clearly Shanahan loved Lance or we woudln't have taken him. Kyle apparently is quick to throw away people who don't respond instantly the way he wants. At other positions you can get away with it. You make the wrong decision at QB and it's a major hit.

You trade Trey now and you have total unknowns in your QB room, at least the ones who can practice.

People love the draft but I'm perfectly fine having us sit back and use the picks we already have to make moves. Like I said before, if you want to trade Lance then you do it after training camp not only do you actually save money by trading him vs taking a cap hit by trading him now(good luck paying your rookies) and you also get a look at him again, Darnold and the rookies if you add them.

Personally I would rather take less in a trade in next year's draft and make sure you're setup for success at the position this year(when we have a chance to win it all) vs taking a big risk to get a 2nd round pick and change(if that) and then find ourselves in a situation where Brock isn't back for a few weeks and Sam Darnold is the same inconsistent QB he's been here as he's been everywhere else and any rookie QB we add is lost in Kyle's offense.

He can hold the fort, until Brock is ready to go. I think he's capable enough to do that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Chance:
There's nothing to even compare. Trey hadn't had a chance yet. Fickle ass fans.

If they trade him that just says they don't think he'll ever be worth what they gave up to acquire him and are trying to salvage whatever they can get back before the rest of the league figures out that he can't play.

This. They have had him in the bldg for 2 years. Trust me if you hire someone, you know more after employing them for 2 years than you knew during the interview process.

If they are serious about moving TL, that would communicate to me that he simply doesn't have what it takes to play in this league. Otherwise, they wouldn't do it.

I don't think we are at this point, we will keep TL is my bet. After all when he played, he didn't look great, but he didn't look totally lost either imo.

Also, these rumors are so far purely about other teams calling. Because of how Brock played last year, it would be bad business not to hear our offers even if you loved Trey. They probably still feel Trey could be great given his potential and raw ability.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I thought if was a safe pick. He just hasn't showed his potential yet, because of lack of experience and injury issues, that has dwarted his develpment.

Safe pick?

Yeah, I think it was by far the riskiest pick.

Every pick, is risky.

Correct, but because Trey played so little games and in the FCS, he was extremely unknown. Making him by far the riskiest. You knew what you were getting with mac and fields. Literally no clue what Lance was/would be, and still don't. Or at least had an idea of the other two.

Lance is probably the most unknown and raw qb ever taken that high in a draft.

I can live with riskiest, I can go with that, considering lack of games played in college, because of Covid and being an FCS school, where competition, might not have been the best.

I personally don't mind the team taking these kind of swings. I really don't. I just personally felt like it was the wrong pick, that's all. I prefer we take big swings in an effort to nab a FQB and if Kyle thought that was Lance, I can live with that.

some think I hate this guy no matter what, and it's not true. I'd be super happy if he worked out how Kyle thought he would. My personal evaluation is that he isn't it. If he played more, I may be convinced otherwise. A huge piece to this for me is that Kyle isn't eager to get him on the field, that says a lot to me. If Kyle isn't sold on him, no one should be.

Fields looks, like he would have been the better pick.

I'm not so sure. Fields has not been good as a passer. Infact, by these metrics he's been a worse QB than Alex Smith was his first two years in the league when Alex had guys like Arnaz Battle and Brandon Lloyd as his receivers.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by krizay:
IMO the only question mark surrounding Brock is the longevity of that elbow.

If Brock misses games and DTR gets to play and has the offense running on all cylinders and he out plays Brock then sure he could unseat him.

I think they already know what they have in Lance or at least know what they don't have in him. If they know, and it seems they do, that Brock is the guy. There is zero reason to keep Trey. Especially if they feel some type of way about DTR. In DTR they'd still be able to develop a guy in the same skillset without the pressures of having to start him or answer questions about starting him. Plus he's cheaper and you'd have him longer.

Question to you logically....

How can the 49ers know what they have in Lance after 4 starts given the scenario around the ones this year and the fact they expected him to sit all year last season.

Like what has Lance done to show them he's a lost cause? I can understand simply thinking they have their guy with Brock so if that's the case it makes sense to get all you can for Trey and get some cheaper/more mature backup to Brock.

BUT then you add in all the extra stuff, the injuries at the position last year. Brock being hurt, Darnold having 0 experience on our roster, rookies being unknowns.

Like how bad was their evaluation of Trey that they're giving up on him that quickly??? We're not talking 2 1st round picks trade situation here.

When discussing why they chose him Shanny said you have to believe in what you don't see and what you think you will see.

They have had 2 off seasons with him. You are only using live games as for what you saw. They have seen every single rep he has taken. Of those reps what if Shanny isn't seeing what he believed he would see by now? If he's not showing it in practice how can you reasonably expect to show it in a game?

All of that is clearly hypothetical as I have no idea what Shanny was looking for and/or not seeing. But he's the one that stated he's starting Brock over Trey and it would be hard for Trey to win the job.

You bring up the injuries of last year. Trey was the most injured. So keeping him doesn't automatically fix that issue. He was part of that issue.

Well, that's the big problem I had with the trade up to begin with. They made that trade without even knowing who they wanted. They just wanted a QB. They gave all that up just to get a QB. Trey wasn't the player they gave all that up for. The position was. So it's not fair to necessarily tie those picks tp Trey as it relates to their evaluation of him IMO

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I thought if was a safe pick. He just hasn't showed his potential yet, because of lack of experience and injury issues, that has dwarted his develpment.

Safe pick?

Yeah, I think it was by far the riskiest pick.

Every pick, is risky.

Correct, but because Trey played so little games and in the FCS, he was extremely unknown. Making him by far the riskiest. You knew what you were getting with mac and fields. Literally no clue what Lance was/would be, and still don't. Or at least had an idea of the other two.

Lance is probably the most unknown and raw qb ever taken that high in a draft.

I can live with riskiest, I can go with that, considering lack of games played in college, because of Covid and being an FCS school, where competition, might not have been the best.

I personally don't mind the team taking these kind of swings. I really don't. I just personally felt like it was the wrong pick, that's all. I prefer we take big swings in an effort to nab a FQB and if Kyle thought that was Lance, I can live with that.

some think I hate this guy no matter what, and it's not true. I'd be super happy if he worked out how Kyle thought he would. My personal evaluation is that he isn't it. If he played more, I may be convinced otherwise. A huge piece to this for me is that Kyle isn't eager to get him on the field, that says a lot to me. If Kyle isn't sold on him, no one should be.

Fields looks, like he would have been the better pick.

I'm not so sure. Fields has not been good as a passer.

QB efficiency in likely passing situations

first 2 years in the NFL, min 20 starts pic.twitter.com/d78jDoPOsW

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) April 18, 2023

Better, passer than Trey at the moment. And, better when all is said and done. But, Trey has a cannon, stronger than Fields.

Originally posted by Chance:
Sure, that could be the case, but a guy like Trey needs patience. I doubt they even know what he is until he can play in more games. You invest in the position to coach these guys up and grow them into their potential. I just don't see the need to trade him at this point.

They've had him in the building for a couple years now, they've watched him in training camp and practice, I imagine they have a good idea of what is capable of at this point. If they trade him away, that would speak volumes about what they feel his future outlook in the NFL is like.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Chance:
There's nothing to even compare. Trey hadn't had a chance yet. Fickle ass fans.

If they trade him that just says they don't think he'll ever be worth what they gave up to acquire him and are trying to salvage whatever they can get back before the rest of the league figures out that he can't play.

This. They have had him in the bldg for 2 years. Trust me if you hire someone, you know more after employing them for 2 years than you knew during the interview process.

If they are serious about moving TL, that would communicate to me that he simply doesn't have what it takes to play in this league. Otherwise, they wouldn't do it.

I don't think we are at this point, we will keep TL is my bet. After all when he played, he didn't look great, but he didn't look totally lost either imo.

I don't think they think, Trey has what it takes. That's yet to be seen. He's been hurt and is inexperience. They been waiting for him to get healthy and show what he's got.

Some of these guys just don't have it. If you watch the Brady Six doc, you can see Mooch working with Gio Carmazzi, Gio had no clue the down and distance or what was going on.. he was struggling at basic concepts

With JaMarcus Russell, they gave him a blank DVD and he claimed it looked good, he didn't even watch it clearly.. so stuff like this a team sees behind the scenes..

not saying this is happening with TL, but the team knows who TL is as a person a lot more now than they did pre-draft, and what I am hearing says they aren't as high on him as they were

hopefully he can turn it around, I want to see him have that dog in him, maybe this trade stuff will fire him up

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Chance:
There's nothing to even compare. Trey hadn't had a chance yet. Fickle ass fans.

If they trade him that just says they don't think he'll ever be worth what they gave up to acquire him and are trying to salvage whatever they can get back before the rest of the league figures out that he can't play.

This. They have had him in the bldg for 2 years. Trust me if you hire someone, you know more after employing them for 2 years than you knew during the interview process.

If they are serious about moving TL, that would communicate to me that he simply doesn't have what it takes to play in this league. Otherwise, they wouldn't do it.

I don't think we are at this point, we will keep TL is my bet. After all when he played, he didn't look great, but he didn't look totally lost either imo.

I don't think they think, Trey has what it takes. That's yet to be seen. He's been hurt and is inexperience. They been waiting for him to get healthy and show what he's got.

Some of these guys just don't have it. If you watch the Brady Six doc, you can see Mooch working with Gio Carmazzi, Gio had no clue the down and distance or what was going on.. he was struggling at basic concepts

With JaMarcus Russell, they gave him a blank DVD and he claimed it looked good, he didn't even watch it clearly.. so stuff like this a team sees behind the scenes..

not saying this is happening with TL, but the team knows who TL is as a person a lot more now than they did pre-draft, and what I am hearing says they aren't as high on him as they were

hopefully he can turn it around, I want to see him have that dog in him, maybe this trade stuff will fire him up

He just needs to play. That's why people are calling. He has unfulfilled potential.

There is likely some fire with all this smoke. At this point, 49ers letting it be known they are fielding calls. If a team wants to offer a 1st round pick, he might be traded. His value is very hard to determine now, which is why no team will likely offer a first. I'm still rooting for the guy to succeed here.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
They've had him in the building for a couple years now, they've watched him in training camp and practice, I imagine they have a good idea of what is capable of at this point. If they trade him away, that would speak volumes about what they feel his future outlook in the NFL is like.

As if we should trust Kyle when it comes to the QB position. The guy who is inlove with Kirk Cousins and passed on Patrick Mahomes.

Originally posted by mayo49:
We got Darnold as insurance, if Trey isn't ready to go. Plus, a draft pick in the later rounds to back, Darnold up.

Sam who's always hurt too?! Jesus man. You want to toss a late draft pick in to start meaningful games? What brock did was not the norm.

There is no reason. None to move lance right now unless it mean we're getting an all-pro long term QB or stupid compensation in return

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Some of these guys just don't have it. If you watch the Brady Six doc, you can see Mooch working with Gio Carmazzi, Gio had no clue the down and distance or what was going on.. he was struggling at basic concepts

With JaMarcus Russell, they gave him a blank DVD and he claimed it looked good, he didn't even watch it clearly.. so stuff like this a team sees behind the scenes..

not saying this is happening with TL, but the team knows who TL is as a person a lot more now than they did pre-draft, and what I am hearing says they aren't as high on him as they were

hopefully he can turn it around, I want to see him have that dog in him, maybe this trade stuff will fire him up

JaMarcus Russell is a druggie and lazy as s**t…tossing him in the same convo as Lance is incredibly ignorant

Originally posted by ltrain:
There is likely some fire with all this smoke. At this point, 49ers letting it be known they are fielding calls. If a team wants to offer a 1st round pick, he might be traded. His value is very hard to determine now, which is why no team will likely offer a first. I'm still rooting for the guy to succeed here.

He won't fetch a 1st anymore. The best is a 2nd and 3rd, if that, and maybe some additional picks.