Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Chance:
Sure, that could be the case, but a guy like Trey needs patience. I doubt they even know what he is until he can play in more games. You invest in the position to coach these guys up and grow them into their potential. I just don't see the need to trade him at this point.

They've had him in the building for a couple years now, they've watched him in training camp and practice, I imagine they have a good idea of what is capable of at this point. If they trade him away, that would speak volumes about what they feel his future outlook in the NFL is like.

That's not necessarily true. They could just feel that Brock is better and/or cheaper. Now, granted, Brock is coming off of a devastating elbow injury, but this regime has shown time and time again that they operate under the assumption that the most optimistic outcome is always what will happen when it comes to injuries, so they're probably not concerned about that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
We got Darnold as insurance, if Trey isn't ready to go. Plus, a draft pick in the later rounds to back, Darnold up.

Sam who's always hurt too?! Jesus man. You want to toss a late draft pick in to start meaningful games? What brock did was not the norm.

There is no reason. None to move lance right now unless it mean we're getting an all-pro long term QB or stupid compensation in return

We got no, choice. Darnold is the best available at the moment.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
We got Darnold as insurance, if Trey isn't ready to go. Plus, a draft pick in the later rounds to back, Darnold up.

Sam who's always hurt too?! Jesus man. You want to toss a late draft pick in to start meaningful games? What brock did was not the norm.

There is no reason. None to move lance right now unless it mean we're getting an all-pro long term QB or stupid compensation in return

Who, the hell do you think, was available? Josh Allen?

Originally posted by mayo49:
We got no, choice. Darnold is the best available at the moment.

Says who? That's f**king stupid talk.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Some of these guys just don't have it. If you watch the Brady Six doc, you can see Mooch working with Gio Carmazzi, Gio had no clue the down and distance or what was going on.. he was struggling at basic concepts

With JaMarcus Russell, they gave him a blank DVD and he claimed it looked good, he didn't even watch it clearly.. so stuff like this a team sees behind the scenes..

not saying this is happening with TL, but the team knows who TL is as a person a lot more now than they did pre-draft, and what I am hearing says they aren't as high on him as they were

hopefully he can turn it around, I want to see him have that dog in him, maybe this trade stuff will fire him up

JaMarcus Russell is a druggie and lazy as s**t…tossing him in the same convo as Lance is incredibly ignorant

Relax, I am not saying he is JaMarcus, in fact if you read my post, I spelled that part out.. I am just talking about sometimes it doesn't work, and here are some examples.. each case is different.

We think of these guys as who they are on the field, their attributes, but these guys are ppl, and moving them from NDSU to SF and asking a guy to basically be the CEO of the 49ers, he has to lead the O, he has to command the respect of the huddle, of the locker room, he has to have that moxie to get the better of world class NFL athletes over and over, it's a big ask, not everyone has it. BP looked like he really did. I haven't seen it from TL yet.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
We got no, choice. Darnold is the best available at the moment.

Says who? That's f**king stupid talk.

See, above post. NY, being condensending, again.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Who, the hell do you think, was available? Josh Allen?

No one… so stop being dumb about it and thinking we're backed into a corner to trade a QB on a rookie contract and who hasn't proven he blows…unlike the other QB on the roster.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
That's not necessarily true. They could just feel that Brock is better and/or cheaper. Now, granted, Brock is coming off of a devastating elbow injury, but this regime has shown time and time again that they operate under the assumption that the most optimistic outcome is always what will happen when it comes to injuries, so they're probably not concerned about that.

The only reason you would trade Lance now is because you're afraid that either Darnold might beat him out or that by playing, he would likely further reduce his trade value.

If they you there's even a slight chance that he can be a franchise QB then you keep him, play him and trade him down the road once he's reestablished his value if you want to roll with Brock. If you trade him now you're trading him for pennies on the dollar which just says that you have zero faith in him being able to put it altogether.

I'm so mad it this! It's b******t after 4 starts

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This. They have had him in the bldg for 2 years. Trust me if you hire someone, you know more after employing them for 2 years than you knew during the interview process.

If they are serious about moving TL, that would communicate to me that he simply doesn't have what it takes to play in this league. Otherwise, they wouldn't do it.

I don't think we are at this point, we will keep TL is my bet. After all when he played, he didn't look great, but he didn't look totally lost either imo.

This isn't McDonalds.

Teams understand(or should) that you don't get fully developed players with every draft pick. It's not like it was a secret that Trey didn't have a lot of pass attempts in college.

49ers knew this. If their plan was to sit him as a rookie then anything they got out of him as a rookie was a bonus. One of those games he started literally was a must win for them to make the playoffs. This year they got 1 full game from him when the team played their worst overall, field conditions were brutal.

Like what could they have found out about Trey with him being in the building they didn't know before drafting him? Did he beat up a woman? Is he suddenly a lazy kid who cares more about partying than playing? They claimed he was the smartest QB by their evaluation...did he suddenly show them he's a moron? He doesn't sound like one. His test results say he's not an idiot. Him coaching up upper classmen at NDSU doesn't seem to be an indication of him being stupid either.

So wtf did he do? He bang Kyle's wife? This makes no sense unless they're blown away by an offer. Maybe they simply think that to get Trey to be the best version of himself he'll need game reps and they don't see Brock giving him those reps...but once again why now!? While Brock isn't healthy?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Who, the hell do you think, was available? Josh Allen?

No one… so stop being dumb about it and thinking we're backed into a corner to trade a QB on a rookie contract and who hasn't proven he blows…unlike the other QB on the roster.

Brock, has proven he's better than Trey. The ship has sailed on Trey. He'll be, alright he's got talent. He just needs to play, to show he was worth the third pick.

I don't think The issue isn't that Lance hasn't had a chance on the field to prove he isn't capable, it's that he hasn't proven anything in practice/camp/few starts to prove he deserves a chance and is capable.

Originally posted by genus49:
This isn't McDonalds.

Teams understand(or should) that you don't get fully developed players with every draft pick. It's not like it was a secret that Trey didn't have a lot of pass attempts in college.

49ers knew this. If their plan was to sit him as a rookie then anything they got out of him as a rookie was a bonus. One of those games he started literally was a must win for them to make the playoffs. This year they got 1 full game from him when the team played their worst overall, field conditions were brutal.

Like what could they have found out about Trey with him being in the building they didn't know before drafting him? Did he beat up a woman? Is he suddenly a lazy kid who cares more about partying than playing? They claimed he was the smartest QB by their evaluation...did he suddenly show them he's a moron? He doesn't sound like one. His test results say he's not an idiot. Him coaching up upper classmen at NDSU doesn't seem to be an indication of him being stupid either.

So wtf did he do? He bang Kyle's wife? This makes no sense unless they're blown away by an offer. Maybe they simply think that to get Trey to be the best version of himself he'll need game reps and they don't see Brock giving him those reps...but once again why now!? While Brock isn't healthy?

Watched him at practice and in the offseason for two years?

Like I said, the only reason you would trade him right now is IF you firmly believe that he's a depreciating asset, that if you give him actual playing time, his value will only go down, so maybe you take the best offer you can get, cut bait and let some other team be stuck holding the bag.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Who, the hell do you think, was available? Josh Allen?

No one… so stop being dumb about it and thinking we're backed into a corner to trade a QB on a rookie contract and who hasn't proven he blows…unlike the other QB on the roster.

It's not dumb, I actually think it's a brilliant observation on my part. It's not rocket science. And, Brock is the real deal. Unlike, Trey, who hasn't showed s**t in 2 years.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Relax, I am not saying he is JaMarcus, in fact if you read my post, I spelled that part out.. I am just talking about sometimes it doesn't work, and here are some examples.. each case is different.

We think of these guys as who they are on the field, their attributes, but these guys are ppl, and moving them from NDSU to SF and asking a guy to basically be the CEO of the 49ers, he has to lead the O, he has to command the respect of the huddle, of the locker room, he has to have that moxie to get the better of world class NFL athletes over and over, it's a big ask, not everyone has it. BP looked like he really did. I haven't seen it from TL yet.

Dude the problem was fans like you expected him to be a 5K passing 40TD QB out of the gate. There was/is zero patience. There was no allowance for growth/development. Kid didn't even get afforded that because he got hurt. We can blame kyle partially for that. What if Brock doesn't maintain his play? Anyone thinking he's just gonna be that forever is being ridiculously optimistic and I'm not even factoring in the injury. It was 170 passing attempts not even a years worth of football.

you say some guys just don't have it…yet you're constantly talking up Darnold. A player that HAS had the opportunity many times to prove he "has it" and has failed miserably at multiple spots…yet you're willing to let him try again.

It's hypothetical nonsense. You sell 22 yr old kid for peanuts over 100 passing attempts…especially one that this regime was so convinced was worth making the biggest trade in franchise history. It's dumb. Let team call. Unless it's for stupid compensation then it's a hang up imo.