Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude the problem was fans like you expected him to be a 5K passing 40TD QB out of the gate. There was/is zero patience. There was no allowance for growth/development. Kid didn't even get afforded that because he got hurt. We can blame kyle partially for that. What if Brock doesn't maintain his play? Anyone thinking he's just gonna be that forever is being ridiculously optimistic and I'm not even factoring in the injury. It was 170 passing attempts not even a years worth of football.

The fans are absolutely irrelevant here. We're talking about the possibility that the team ends up trading him and if they did that, its not because the fans were impatient its because Kyle, the coaching staff and the front office flat out don't believe that Lance is that guy.

All the speculation is amazing.

Originally posted by mayo49:
It's not dumb, I actually think it's a brilliant observation on my part and Brock is the real deal. Unlike, Trey, who hasn't showed s**t in 2 years.

You have no f**king clue if he's the real deal…I can show you a dozen or more throws that were awful. People thought Jimmy was the "real deal" how'd that work out?

Can you show me two years of bad play from Lance? Please show me…oh you can't because he hasn't played. That's massively different

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
All the speculation is amazing.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
That's not necessarily true. They could just feel that Brock is better and/or cheaper. Now, granted, Brock is coming off of a devastating elbow injury, but this regime has shown time and time again that they operate under the assumption that the most optimistic outcome is always what will happen when it comes to injuries, so they're probably not concerned about that.

The only reason you would trade Lance now is because you're afraid that either Darnold might beat him out or that by playing, he would likely further reduce his trade value.

If they you there's even a slight chance that he can be a franchise QB then you keep him, play him and trade him down the road once he's reestablished his value if you want to roll with Brock. If you trade him now you're trading him for pennies on the dollar which just says that you have zero faith in him being able to put it altogether.

Or they get a really good offer and don't think Lance will get a chance to significantly increase his value. They've heard that in a best case scenario Brock will be back by the end of training camp, so they're operating under the assumption that Brock will be back week 1 and that none of the other QBs on the roster will play this year. Is that realistic based on the history of this team? Probably not, but that's how they operate.

Now, I think it would be dumb for them to trade Lance this year, but I can understand why they would, especially if you don't believe that injuries at the QB position are a real problem.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
It's not dumb, I actually think it's a brilliant observation on my part and Brock is the real deal. Unlike, Trey, who hasn't showed s**t in 2 years.

You have no f**king clue if he's the real deal…I can show you a dozen or more throws that were awful. People thought Jimmy was the "real deal" how'd that work out?

Can you show me two years of bad play from Lance? Please show me…oh you can't because he hasn't played. That's massively different

He's not perfect, but he's perfect for our system. I'm going to turn you around one of these days, my friend. I love you, NY, but don't be so closed minded to different views. We all want what's best for the team. Just trying to figure out the best way to go.

People talking bout NY's son again up in this bish

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This. They have had him in the bldg for 2 years. Trust me if you hire someone, you know more after employing them for 2 years than you knew during the interview process.

If they are serious about moving TL, that would communicate to me that he simply doesn't have what it takes to play in this league. Otherwise, they wouldn't do it.

I don't think we are at this point, we will keep TL is my bet. After all when he played, he didn't look great, but he didn't look totally lost either imo.

This isn't McDonalds.

Teams understand(or should) that you don't get fully developed players with every draft pick. It's not like it was a secret that Trey didn't have a lot of pass attempts in college.

49ers knew this. If their plan was to sit him as a rookie then anything they got out of him as a rookie was a bonus. One of those games he started literally was a must win for them to make the playoffs. This year they got 1 full game from him when the team played their worst overall, field conditions were brutal.

Like what could they have found out about Trey with him being in the building they didn't know before drafting him? Did he beat up a woman? Is he suddenly a lazy kid who cares more about partying than playing? They claimed he was the smartest QB by their evaluation...did he suddenly show them he's a moron? He doesn't sound like one. His test results say he's not an idiot. Him coaching up upper classmen at NDSU doesn't seem to be an indication of him being stupid either.

So wtf did he do? He bang Kyle's wife? This makes no sense unless they're blown away by an offer. Maybe they simply think that to get Trey to be the best version of himself he'll need game reps and they don't see Brock giving him those reps...but once again why now!? While Brock isn't healthy?

this is all speculative, so take it for what it is worth..

to me when I look at BP / TL I see one guy overflowing with confidence.. I am not sure TL has that level of belief in himself. I want to see him kinda fired up out there. It takes a certain mental makeup to be QB1 in the NFL, not a lot of guys have it. Hurts does, Brady does, I think Brock did.. you know it when you see it. Talking leadership, the team is behind this man, traits. The quote that has me coming back to thinking this is he was told by the team I believe that he needs to improve his locker room voice, I recall something along those lines. it's not easy to lead an NFL franchise and be QB1, it's a lot of pressure a lot on your plate at a very young age. It takes those he has it traits, that are not easy to scout.

Wow

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
All the speculation is amazing.

hahah, we are in the Twliight Zone, not the webzone.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:
This isn't McDonalds.

Teams understand(or should) that you don't get fully developed players with every draft pick. It's not like it was a secret that Trey didn't have a lot of pass attempts in college.

49ers knew this. If their plan was to sit him as a rookie then anything they got out of him as a rookie was a bonus. One of those games he started literally was a must win for them to make the playoffs. This year they got 1 full game from him when the team played their worst overall, field conditions were brutal.

Like what could they have found out about Trey with him being in the building they didn't know before drafting him? Did he beat up a woman? Is he suddenly a lazy kid who cares more about partying than playing? They claimed he was the smartest QB by their evaluation...did he suddenly show them he's a moron? He doesn't sound like one. His test results say he's not an idiot. Him coaching up upper classmen at NDSU doesn't seem to be an indication of him being stupid either.

So wtf did he do? He bang Kyle's wife? This makes no sense unless they're blown away by an offer. Maybe they simply think that to get Trey to be the best version of himself he'll need game reps and they don't see Brock giving him those reps...but once again why now!? While Brock isn't healthy?

Watched him at practice and in the offseason for two years?

Like I said, the only reason you would trade him right now is IF you firmly believe that he's a depreciating asset, that if you give him actual playing time, his value will only go down, so maybe you take the best offer you can get, cut bait and let some other team be stuck holding the bag.

He didn't practice the bulk of this year.

You don't think it would be crazy to evaluate a 21 year old QB who was playing with a broken finger? They knew he was raw. I understand what you're saying it just blows my mind that given the impact of that tradeup that our evaluation could be so damn wrong that Lance in one year of practice showed us he is a bust and someone we need to wipe off the books asap even at the cost of losing cap space with the move.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this is all speculative, so take it for what it is worth..

to me when I look at BP / TL I see one guy overflowing with confidence.. I am not sure TL has that level of belief in himself. I want to see him kinda fired up out there. It takes a certain mental makeup to be QB1 in the NFL, not a lot of guys have it. Hurts does, Brady does, I think Brock did.. you know it when you see it. Talking leadership, the team is behind this man, traits. The quote that has me coming back to thinking this is he was told by the team I believe that he needs to improve his locker room voice, I recall something along those lines. it's not easy to lead an NFL franchise and be QB1, it's a lot of pressure a lot on your plate at a very young age. It takes those he has it traits, that are not easy to scout.

I don't recall that quote but how do you find your locker room voice when the team is telling you to sit behind Jimmy G year 1, then not moving him the next season?

This is negligence type stuff. They basically made the big move to draft the kid, then cut him down at the ankles so to speak. I'm never going to pick a player over the team but this would be crazy to me and I would lose some major trust in this regime. Especially when by all accounts Brock wasn't a Shanahan pick.

Yeah I know Lynch didn't want him to begin with. He was another RG3 project for Kyle that never got lifted off the ground. I have gained a huge amount of respect for John Lynch lately in admitting fault and moving on rather than trying to shove a square peg through a circle. Even if he didn't come out and say it, body language when asked about Trey looked awkward and off putting. Brock Purdy is a solid quarterback though and I bet he'll be ready by October at the latest. Darnold ain't bad at all and if you guys pick up another quarterback in the draft, and possibly sign a UDFA then suddenly your quarterback situation doesn't look so grim.

Originally posted by ImRicky:
Yeah I know Lynch didn't want him to begin with. He was another RG3 project for Kyle that never got lifted off the ground. I have gained a huge amount of respect for John Lynch lately in admitting fault and moving on rather than trying to shove a square peg through a circle. Even if he didn't come out and say it, body language when asked about Trey looked awkward and off putting. Brock Purdy is a solid quarterback though and I bet he'll be ready by October at the latest. Darnold ain't bad at all and if you guys pick up another quarterback in the draft, and possibly sign a UDFA then suddenly your quarterback situation doesn't look so grim.

It all evens out, Trey didn't work out, but our 7th round pick, turned out to be a gem.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this is all speculative, so take it for what it is worth..

to me when I look at BP / TL I see one guy overflowing with confidence.. I am not sure TL has that level of belief in himself. I want to see him kinda fired up out there. It takes a certain mental makeup to be QB1 in the NFL, not a lot of guys have it. Hurts does, Brady does, I think Brock did.. you know it when you see it. Talking leadership, the team is behind this man, traits. The quote that has me coming back to thinking this is he was told by the team I believe that he needs to improve his locker room voice, I recall something along those lines. it's not easy to lead an NFL franchise and be QB1, it's a lot of pressure a lot on your plate at a very young age. It takes those he has it traits, that are not easy to scout.

I don't recall that quote but how do you find your locker room voice when the team is telling you to sit behind Jimmy G year 1, then not moving him the next season?

This is negligence type stuff. They basically made the big move to draft the kid, then cut him down at the ankles so to speak. I'm never going to pick a player over the team but this would be crazy to me and I would lose some major trust in this regime. Especially when by all accounts Brock wasn't a Shanahan pick.

How did they cut him down at the ankles? They made a massive investment. I am sure they want it to work, it's not like they don't. There is no internal sabotage here. I would like to see TL much improved, and louder , out there during summer. Seems like the team wants him to wake up or get mad. When you hear they are openly discussing fielding trade calls, and they said there will be some split reps, BP has earned QB1, that kind of talk, it's like a shot across the bow.. they want to get a rise it seems. I see this as similar to Mac. Belichick wouldn't commit to him as QB1, and trade rumors there as well.