Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
One of those is an amazing off script play that vets don't make. I think the Diggs one was tipped lol. How desperate can you be when that's what you use lol

That one he missed to Aiyuk he is never going to be able to make that pass. Doesn't have the arm strength. Unless Aiyuk is 20 feet open and can wait on it like the one he had vs the Bucs I believe. But those 30 yard passes you need to hit on a line so the DB can't close on it and pick it off or knock it down he won't be able to make. He has physical limitations, It's why he was drafted in the 7th RD. So far he has overcome those limitations but it remains to be seen if defenses will adjust and it starts to become an issue. Or maybe he just hasn't faced many good defenses. He faced two, The Cowboys where he struggled and the Eagles where he got hurt early.

Seahawks 2
Commanders
Cardinals
Bucs(the defense was decimated with injuries)
Dolphins
Raiders

Those were the other defenses that Purdy beat during his streak. Ironically the only defense he really struggled against was the Cowboys who also happened to be the only good defense he faced for an entire game.

The pass was behind. He can make the pass he just needed to lead him more

If the cowbiys was considered struggling I'd say we have really f**king good QB

19 points against a defense that had given up 40 points twice and 26 points to the Commanders in their last 6 games? Hard to call it great either.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
19 points against a defense that had given up 40 points twice and 26 points to the Commanders in their last 6 games? Hard to call it great either.

Did you think we had an aggressive gameplan that Brock was failing to execute? We rightfully played that game extremely conservative.

We won a playoff game against one of the league's best defenses by a touchdown and covered the spread in the process. With a rookie at QB in his 2nd high leverage appearance in his career.

When unrealistic expectations meet bad football analysis...

Originally posted by JTB1974:
That one he missed to Aiyuk he is never going to be able to make that pass. Doesn't have the arm strength. Unless Aiyuk is 20 feet open and can wait on it like the one he had vs the Bucs I believe. But those 30+ yard passes you need to hit on a line so the DB can't close on it and pick it off or knock it down he won't be able to make. He has physical limitations, It's why he was drafted in the 7th RD. So far he has overcome those limitations but it remains to be seen if defenses will adjust and it starts to become an issue. Or maybe he just hasn't faced many good defenses. He faced two, The Cowboys where he struggled and the Eagles where he got hurt early.

Seahawks 2
Commanders
Cardinals
Bucs(the defense was decimated with injuries)
Dolphins
Raiders

Those were the other defenses that Purdy beat during his streak. Ironically the only defense he really struggled against was the Cowboys who also happened to be the only good defense he faced for an entire game.

Are you going to follow Trey to whatever team he ends up playing for?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

One of those is an amazing off script play that vets don't make. I think the Diggs one was tipped lol. How desperate can you be when that's what you use lol

That one he missed to Aiyuk he is never going to be able to make that pass. Doesn't have the arm strength. Unless Aiyuk is 20 feet open and can wait on it like the one he had vs the Bucs I believe. But those 30 yard passes you need to hit on a line so the DB can't close on it and pick it off or knock it down he won't be able to make. He has physical limitations, It's why he was drafted in the 7th RD. So far he has overcome those limitations but it remains to be seen if defenses will adjust and it starts to become an issue. Or maybe he just hasn't faced many good defenses. He faced two, The Cowboys where he struggled and the Eagles where he got hurt early.

Seahawks 2
Commanders
Cardinals
Bucs(the defense was decimated with injuries)
Dolphins
Raiders

Those were the other defenses that Purdy beat during his streak. Ironically the only defense he really struggled against was the Cowboys who also happened to be the only good defense he faced for an entire game.

The pass was behind. He can make the pass he just needed to lead him more

If the cowbiys was considered struggling I'd say we have really f**king good QB

19 points against a defense that had given up 40 points twice and 26 points to the Commanders in their last 6 games? Hard to call it great either.

The undefeated Pats beat the Giants in week 17 then scored like 12 in the SB. Every game is different.

You can knock the Cowboys game all you want, but that game upped his stock in my mind more than the Sea game and I bet the players and coaches felt the same.

Seahawks game was fun, but the Cowboys game showed me we can go to war with Brock

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
19 points against a defense that had given up 40 points twice and 26 points to the Commanders in their last 6 games? Hard to call it great either.

Did you think we had an aggressive gameplan that Brock was failing to execute? We rightfully played that game extremely conservative.

We won a playoff game against one of the league's best defenses by a touchdown and covered the spread in the process. With a rookie at QB in his 2nd high leverage appearance in his career.

When unrealistic expectations meet bad football analysis...

One of the league's best defenses that had been on the decline over the last 6 games. They were giving up an average of 26 points a game going into that game over their last 6 games (or basically the length of Purdy's starting career.) Brock played ok, but let's not make it more than it was. It really doesn't matter anymore that he was a rookie or that he's Mr. Irrelevant or whatever. You don't get points for having a nice story. It was cute and all when he was just the third stringer that surprised everyone by keeping the ship afloat, but if he's going to be our franchise QB going forward he needs to improve.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
I think it's becoming pretty clear now that they no longer think very highly of Trey's abilities. I have said this before but I think they were disappointed with what they got after he was drafted. During his first year, he looked terrible and like a complete project. They expected him to come into his second year improved but I think he might have even looked worse based on reports. People keep trying to say we do not know because he hasn't played but they have seen him in practice for over a year and a half. They are not going to keep paying a guy a bunch of money yearly who looks just awful, regardless of what they gave up to acquire him. I would probably keep him for another year and see if he shows improvement from the bench. But would not be surprised if they just ripped the bandaid off.

Stop making s**t up. Trey has never looked awful. Training camp is a time guys work on things and him going up against a very good defense(defense that made many QBs look bad) isn't saying he sucked.

Mahomes was throwing a bunch of picks in practice vs a much weaker defense the year he won MVP the first time - arguably his best season.

He was far from perfect but if we're putting a fork in a kid with only 4 starts and 3 full games worth of them with 2 being as a rookie with a broken finger and the other being in a monsoon where he was our leading rusher and the team was making mistakes all over the place then someone is putting their job on the line imo.

At some point Kyle will not be able to recover from terrible decisions in the draft process.

I am not making stuff up.

Even though we used three first-rounders to acquire Trey he got out beat his first year in training camp by Jimmy. They gave him every opportunity to beat him but he didn't because he looked terrible in both preseason games and practice. When he got his chance in games that season he looked terrible. They gave him the starting job going into this season and he looked so terrible in preseason games and at practice they resigned Jimmy. In the only game, he played we lost to the worst team in the league the Bears and he looked you guessed it terrible.

Even when you look back at the college player. He hardly ever threw the ball each game playing bad competition level. This guy didn't even get a scholarship offer to play Qb division 1. Even with the low competition level and low # of throws his completion % was terrible on throws passed the line scrimmage. All that should have told them something. This kid was way over-drafted. I think they became obsessed with the idea of drafting the next Josh Allen and overlooked a ton of negatives. Every single thing in Trey's entire football life leads me to believe he is a huge bust and probably won't be playing the NFL much longer. I have been wrong before though.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
One of the league's best defenses that had been on the decline over the last 6 games. They were giving up an average of 26 points a game going into that game over their last 6 games (or basically the length of Purdy's starting career.) Brock played ok, but let's not make it more than it was. It really doesn't matter anymore that he was a rookie or that he's Mr. Irrelevant or whatever. You don't get points for having a nice story. It was cute and all when he was just the third stringer that surprised everyone by keeping the ship afloat, but if he's going to be our franchise QB going forward he needs to improve.

You didn't answer my question... not that I expected you to. Instead you put a really bizarre spin on what actually happened when Brock took over as the team's starting QB. He didn't simply keep the ship afloat. The offense was the best offense in the NFL over his starts and was operating better than at any point under Kyle.

He won two playoff games with the team as a rookie. A multiple touchdown blowout against a division rival, and a touchdown win against a team that was just slightly lower than us in terms of being a Super Bowl favorite. That's what he gets 'points' for. The fact that he can get better, and continue to grow chemistry with the players around him, and increase the confidence in him from the coaching staff is a GOOD thing. He was playing at a very high level as an individual already

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
One of the league's best defenses that had been on the decline over the last 6 games. They were giving up an average of 26 points a game going into that game over their last 6 games (or basically the length of Purdy's starting career.) Brock played ok, but let's not make it more than it was. It really doesn't matter anymore that he was a rookie or that he's Mr. Irrelevant or whatever. You don't get points for having a nice story. It was cute and all when he was just the third stringer that surprised everyone by keeping the ship afloat, but if he's going to be our franchise QB going forward he needs to improve.

You didn't answer my question... not that I expected you to. Instead you put a really bizarre spin on what actually happened when Brock took over as the team's starting QB. He didn't simply keep the ship afloat. The offense was the best offense in the NFL over his starts and was operating better than at any point under Kyle.

He won two playoff games with the team as a rookie. A multiple touchdown blowout against a division rival, and a touchdown win against a team that was just slightly lower than us in terms of being a Super Bowl favorite. That's what he gets 'points' for. The fact that he can get better, and continue to grow chemistry with the players around him, and increase the confidence in him from the coaching staff is a GOOD thing. He was playing at a very high level as an individual already

Your question didn't make sense. You're arguing that we intentionally only scored 9 points in the first half? That we held back and scored only 19 points on purpose? That Purdy intentionally threw the ball to the other team multiple times knowing that they'd drop it? It's the same arguments we heard when people here were telling us how Jimmy had a good game against the Packers last year.

As for getting better, name one QB that's gotten better under Kyle year to year since he's been here. Nick Mullens played well enough (on a significantly worse roster) to have us decline a 4th round pick for him in a trade. He certainly didn't improve. Jimmy never improved.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol and?

im not sure what you're going for? Those are obviously the things he needs to work on, and he has been, as much as you can.

id rather those kind of plays instead of horrific misses by Lance where no one can pick it because it's so uncatchable. You and your boy, Mr. 50%.

insanity

One of those is an amazing off script play that vets don't make. I think the Diggs one was tipped lol. How desperate can you be when that's what you use lol

idk why a rookie playing amazing overall and those kind of mistakes aren't good enough for him and have an imaginary ceiling, but 2 year Trey is horrible and he gets every excuse in the world.

He would take Anthony Richardson over everyone in history, because of his "upside" lol

Yet you slobber all over Darnold. A guy that's done this for 56 games lol. Faithful and Furlow here is your example.

Do I? Lol feel free to show me one post where I'm slobbering over darnold? You'll actually find multiple posts about me expecting Lance to beat him out. I guess saying darnold has a really good physical skill set is slobbering all over him? Lmao

it's not like my username is all about darnold…. That would indicate I'm slobbering all over a player and am irrational about people talking about him. Lmao oh wait…

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
19 points against a defense that had given up 40 points twice and 26 points to the Commanders in their last 6 games? Hard to call it great either.

Did you think we had an aggressive gameplan that Brock was failing to execute? We rightfully played that game extremely conservative.

We won a playoff game against one of the league's best defenses by a touchdown and covered the spread in the process. With a rookie at QB in his 2nd high leverage appearance in his career.

When unrealistic expectations meet bad football analysis...

Lmao and this 49ersRing guy thinks a guy who can barely muster 10 pts a game is going to make it rain on that cowboys defense?

it was a damn good game by Brock and the entire offense.

It's one thing to really like Trey and think he can do well.. it's another to be completly delusional and throw all logic out the window. I guess it's the only way to prop up Lance in comparison to Purdy?

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
19 points against a defense that had given up 40 points twice and 26 points to the Commanders in their last 6 games? Hard to call it great either.

Did you think we had an aggressive gameplan that Brock was failing to execute? We rightfully played that game extremely conservative.

We won a playoff game against one of the league's best defenses by a touchdown and covered the spread in the process. With a rookie at QB in his 2nd high leverage appearance in his career.

When unrealistic expectations meet bad football analysis...

Lmao and this 49ersRing guy thinks a guy who can barely muster 10 pts a game is going to make it rain on that cowboys defense?

it was a damn good game by Brock and the entire offense.

It's one thing to really like Trey and think he can do well.. it's another to be completly delusional and throw all logic out the window. I guess it's the only way to prop up Lance in comparison to Purdy?

Gardner Minshew put up 34 points on that Cowboys defense, Sam Howell put up 26, so who knows what other QBs would have done with guys like CMC and Kittle at their disposal? It's funny that some of you will trot out the "conservative gameplan" excuse for the Cowboys game, but refuse to consider that possibility for the Bears game when it was being played in a swamp and the Bears had less than 75 yards of offense midway through the 3rd quarter before our defensive collapse.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
19 points against a defense that had given up 40 points twice and 26 points to the Commanders in their last 6 games? Hard to call it great either.

Did you think we had an aggressive gameplan that Brock was failing to execute? We rightfully played that game extremely conservative.

We won a playoff game against one of the league's best defenses by a touchdown and covered the spread in the process. With a rookie at QB in his 2nd high leverage appearance in his career.

When unrealistic expectations meet bad football analysis...

Lmao and this 49ersRing guy thinks a guy who can barely muster 10 pts a game is going to make it rain on that cowboys defense?

it was a damn good game by Brock and the entire offense.

It's one thing to really like Trey and think he can do well.. it's another to be completly delusional and throw all logic out the window. I guess it's the only way to prop up Lance in comparison to Purdy?

Gardner Minshew put up 34 points on that Cowboys defense, Sam Howell put up 26, so who knows what other QBs would have done with guys like CMC and Kittle at their disposal? It's funny that some of you will trot out the "conservative gameplan" excuse for the Cowboys game, but refuse to consider that possibility for the Bears game when it was being played in a swamp and the Bears had less than 75 yards of offense midway through the 3rd quarter before our defensive collapse.

It was the divisional round of the playoffs in a rivalry game.. if you don't understand the intensity and focus of those games vs regular season games… ?

honestly comparing the way Brock played vs Lance is ridiculous. Lol also, I'm not just using the bears game. All of lances starts equate to a whopping 14ppg average. Woo hoo. Purdy was 33 ppg - #1 in the league. Lmao stop it

one hasn't played well and the team is looking to dump him. The other was handed the keys to the organization. But please.. continue with any excuse you'd like.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Gardner Minshew put up 34 points on that Cowboys defense, Sam Howell put up 26, so who knows what other QBs would have done with guys like CMC and Kittle at their disposal? It's funny that some of you will trot out the "conservative gameplan" excuse for the Cowboys game, but refuse to consider that possibility for the Bears game when it was being played in a swamp and the Bears had less than 75 yards of offense midway through the 3rd quarter before our defensive collapse.

Every game we've played with Trey at QB has been a conservative gameplan. It's completely expected.

One key and significant difference however is that Trey has faced arguably one good defense in those games.

Cherry picking games in Dallas' schedule doesn't make your argument as strong as you think it does, especially considering you could easily cherry pick in the other direction. The Bengals put up 17 against them. The Vikings put up 3. The Lions put up 6.

Do you think these are bad offensive teams?

It's funny to watch people rail against SSS and then use them at their convenience.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Probably one of the most pathetic things I've seen any fan base do

Not as pathetic as some of this fanbase writing off Trey after 3 and a half starts knowing he has limited experience.

Lance hasn't had a single game come close to Brock's worst performance. Not one. Lol

brock was a rookie with bare min reps throughout camp and no practice with the starters until he was thrown to the fire.

there is no comparison. Lance isn't even in his league. We can list a ton of accomplishments, league records, rookie records etc.

all you can list with Lance are excuses etc. at least talk about things constructively with Lance.. like the things he needs to improve on (literally everything). Not just try and bash his competition because he's better than him. If Lance was amazing and special, the team would be doing what they can to get him on the field. No making him compete for QB2 and entertain trading him.