Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Their draft results and overall roster rebuild has been a smashing success, in spite of many misses in the 1st round. There really isn't a supportable argument that we are coming up short in this department.

They can build up the rest of the roster all they want but they continually fail at the QB position which matters the most.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Their draft results and overall roster rebuild has been a smashing success, in spite of many misses in the 1st round. There really isn't a supportable argument that we are coming up short in this department.

They can build up the rest of the roster all they want but they continually fail at the QB position which matters the most.

Looks like we finally got lucky and hit on one in the 7th round. Now we just need the football gods to have mercy on us and stop getting all our players slaughtered with injuries. 😭😭

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
They can build up the rest of the roster all they want but they continually fail at the QB position which matters the most.

Have they continually failed, or is it looking like they might have missed on a high draft pick?

We got a starting QB capable of playing the position well enough to make multiple trips deep in the playoffs with a 2nd round pick, and we found another quarterback capable of leading the best offense in the league in his first play time across half a season worth of games with the last pick in the draft.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
They can build up the rest of the roster all they want but they continually fail at the QB position which matters the most.

Have they continually failed, or is it looking like they might have missed on a high draft pick?

We got a starting QB capable of playing the position well enough to make multiple trips deep in the playoffs with a 2nd round pick, and we found another quarterback capable of leading the best offense in the league in his first play time across half a season worth of games with the last pick in the draft.

Zero rings as a result, despite having the #1 defense and arguably the top collection of offensive talent in the league with a top 3 play caller, so it's hard to say they've had success at QB when the QB is the one always letting us down one way or another.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
They can build up the rest of the roster all they want but they continually fail at the QB position which matters the most.

Have they continually failed, or is it looking like they might have missed on a high draft pick?

We got a starting QB capable of playing the position well enough to make multiple trips deep in the playoffs with a 2nd round pick, and we found another quarterback capable of leading the best offense in the league in his first play time across half a season worth of games with the last pick in the draft.

Zero rings as a result, despite having the #1 defense and arguably the top collection of offensive talent in the league with a top 3 play caller, so it's hard to say they've had success at QB when the QB is the one always letting us down one way or another.

Technically, all they've had was success with Purdy. He only lost that game because he couldn't throw the ball. Any game he started and finished was a W.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Zero rings as a result, despite having the #1 defense and arguably the top collection of offensive talent in the league with a top 3 play caller, so it's hard to say they've had success at QB when the QB is the one always letting us down one way or another.

They had the best collection of offensive talent last season, but not any of the other seasons, and last season the quality of QB play wasn't the reason we didn't win the Super Bowl. Injury was. If you look at this team under Brock last season and think that team wasn't capable of winning the Super Bowl (which I'm not saying you do), you're just a football moron.

Even with Jimmy's substandard play in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl and his injury riddled run in the '21 playoffs, a couple of plays made the other way and we could have won those games. Winning a Super Bowl is hard. So is finding an elite QB. Not landing a generational player at the position like a Mahomes or Allen doesn't indicate failure.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
They can build up the rest of the roster all they want but they continually fail at the QB position which matters the most.

Have they continually failed, or is it looking like they might have missed on a high draft pick?

We got a starting QB capable of playing the position well enough to make multiple trips deep in the playoffs with a 2nd round pick, and we found another quarterback capable of leading the best offense in the league in his first play time across half a season worth of games with the last pick in the draft.

Zero rings as a result, despite having the #1 defense and arguably the top collection of offensive talent in the league with a top 3 play caller, so it's hard to say they've had success at QB when the QB is the one always letting us down one way or another.

Technically, all they've had was success with Purdy. He only lost that game because he couldn't throw the ball. Any game he started and finished was a W.

Being able to stay healthy is arguably the most important aspect of being a franchise QB. Let's hope there's some actual truth to the Kirk Cousins trade rumors, because this team is too talented right now to let another season go down the drain depending on one of the perpetually injured QBs we have on the roster.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Zero rings as a result, despite having the #1 defense and arguably the top collection of offensive talent in the league with a top 3 play caller, so it's hard to say they've had success at QB when the QB is the one always letting us down one way or another.

They had the best collection of offensive talent last season, but not any of the other seasons, and last season the quality of QB play wasn't the reason we didn't win the Super Bowl. Injury was. If you look at this team under Brock last season and think that team wasn't capable of winning the Super Bowl (which I'm not saying you do), you're just a football moron.

Even with Jimmy's substandard play in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl and his injury riddled run in the '21 playoffs, a couple of plays made the other way and we could have won those games. Winning a Super Bowl is hard. So is finding an elite QB. Not landing a generational player at the position like a Mahomes or Allen doesn't indicate failure.

We were one of the teams capable of winning the Super Bowl last year, though until we actually demonstrate that we're capable of beating Mahomes, it's a stretch to say we actually would have even if Purdy had stayed healthy and we had beat the Eagles. We're not ever going to beat the Chiefs playing a defensive, conservative game, but that's generally the only way we've won in the playoffs minus one or two games against dramatically inferior opponents.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
We were one of the teams capable of winning the Super Bowl last year, though until we actually demonstrate that we're capable of beating Mahomes, it's a stretch to say we actually would have even if Purdy had stayed healthy and we had beat the Eagles. We're not ever going to beat the Chiefs playing a defensive, conservative game, but that's generally the only way we've won in the playoffs minus one or two games against dramatically inferior opponents.

You're making broad arguments/comparsions about previous games we've played that fall apart even with the most basic review of them individually.

Let's keep it simple: Given what we saw over Purdy's games last season, and the way Kyle called those games, do you honestly believe we go into a Chiefs game with the same offensive gameplan we had against the Cowboys? The Cowboys have an elite defense, capable of changing games with their playmaking, and maybe an above average offense. The Chiefs have an average defense, and an offense lead by an all time great offensive coach and Quarterback capable of exploding at any point in a game against any defense.

I don't think he will be traded but when we look at our salary cap I don't think we are anywhere near paying a QB that is not on a rookie deal. Trey is two years away from that situation and to my understanding Brock is 3 years away from that situation. If Trey lights it up this coming season we are in a little bit of trouble financially when you look at Hurts new contract.

Remember when Trey was drafted, everyone said the internal clock for them was ticking? Welps you trading him IMO expedites that clock. I'm over this FO and KS if that's the case. You're giving up on a player who YOU didn't give a chance to play and got hurt BC you called a s**tty game based off a freak accident?

Sure we're win now, but man this is a colossal mistake. If they trade Trey and start Sam f**king Darnold, you might as well right the season off. Remember when Jimmy got a serious knee injury and came back and was NEVER the same player again. Trust me when I say this that Purdy already had a weak arm and for you to take that big of a gamble is a massive mistake. If they trade him, I hope he succeeds and just laughs at us. We deserve it. This kid is the same age as the QBs coming out of college this year. He's not 24 or 25. Let that sink in for a second. You want to win? KS thinking that he got Purdy ready so quickly got to his head just like when JG went 5-0 and look where that got us? A QB who was average at best. Sometimes this FO thinks they're so saavy, but they're not. Ridiculous asset mgmt.

Purdy was a blip on the radar and defences were beginning to figure him out.

You better be right ShanaLynch if you trade Trey because your ass is next and that would be a shame.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
We were one of the teams capable of winning the Super Bowl last year, though until we actually demonstrate that we're capable of beating Mahomes, it's a stretch to say we actually would have even if Purdy had stayed healthy and we had beat the Eagles. We're not ever going to beat the Chiefs playing a defensive, conservative game, but that's generally the only way we've won in the playoffs minus one or two games against dramatically inferior opponents.

You're making broad arguments/comparsions about previous games we've played that fall apart even with the most basic review of them individually.

Let's keep it simple: Given what we saw over Purdy's games last season, and the way Kyle called those games, do you honestly believe we go into a Chiefs game with the same offensive gameplan we had against the Cowboys? The Cowboys have an elite defense, capable of changing games with their playmaking, and maybe an above average offense. The Chiefs have an average defense, and an offense lead by an all time great offensive coach and Quarterback capable of exploding at any point in a game against any defense.

The game plan is different for every game, so no, but I don't see why that would make a difference. We have no real reason to believe that we've suddenly figured out how to stop Mahomes or would be able to put up enough points to keep pace.

The Cowboys "elite" defense gave up around 25 points a game in the span of Purdy's starting career, so if we can declare Purdy to be a franchise QB, we can say that's also a large enough sample to declare that the Cowboys are also not an elite defense.

I need some goddamn draft action.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
The game plan is different for every game, so no, but I don't see why that would make a difference. We have no real reason to believe that we've suddenly figured out how to stop Mahomes or would be able to put up enough points to keep pace.

The Cowboys "elite" defense gave up around 25 points a game in the span of Purdy's starting career, so if we can declare Purdy to be a franchise QB, we can say that's also a large enough sample to declare that the Cowboys are also not an elite defense.

The reason to we have to believe that we can be able to put up enough points to keep pace with the Chiefs is that we did exactly that with Purdy over his time starting. We were an elite offense with Purdy at QB. Scored 33 points a game with him on average. Do you not see the flaw in ignoring what Purdy and the offense averaged over his time starting and singling out a single game performance (Cowboys game) while simultaneously making statements about what the Cowboys defense was based on their average over the same time frame. It's completely inconsistent.

I can't speak for anyone other than myself but I don't declare Purdy as being an elite QB or a franchise QB at this time. The sample size is too small. What I would say is that the available evidence shows he's capable of being one and the best option we have on this roster going forward. Time will tell whether that comes to fruition.

I have no problem with you having doubt on whether or not Purdy is going to be that kind of player, but I do think it's interesting I never see you apply this line of thinking towards people who argue to develop Lance. Beyond the fact that he hasn't shown the ability to be even a consistently average QB in his limited time, he has been injured multiple times... which you seem to value very highly in your analysis.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
The reason to we have to believe that we can be able to put up enough points to keep pace with the Chiefs is that we did exactly that with Purdy over his time starting. We were an elite offense with Purdy at QB. Scored 33 points a game with him on average. Do you not see the flaw in ignoring what Purdy and the offense averaged over his time starting and singling out a single game performance (Cowboys game) while simultaneously making statements about what the Cowboys defense was based on their average over the same time frame. It's completely inconsistent.

I can't speak for anyone other than myself but I don't declare Purdy as being an elite QB or a franchise QB at this time. The sample size is too small. What I would say is that the available evidence shows he's capable of being one and the best option we have on this roster going forward. Time will tell whether that comes to fruition.

I have no problem with you having doubt on whether or not Purdy is going to be that kind of player, but I do think it's interesting I never see you apply this line of thinking towards people who argue to develop Lance. Beyond the fact that he hasn't shown the ability to be even a consistently average QB in his limited time, he has been injured multiple times... which you seem to value very highly in your analysis.

I don't buy the hype in Purdy because this is the exact same hype that was around JG when he won 5-0 until he tore his ACL and was NEVER the same. We have no assurances that Purdy will ever be the same since this is his throwing arm we are talking about. He already had a soso arm and now you're hedging your bet that his arm will still be able to throw with the same velocity.

What if the mediocre velocity isn't there and it's worse? Then what? We'd be more screwed without Trey then with Trey.

Don't even get me started on the Ghost Seeing Sam Darnold.