Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's nothing to do with hope. If you can't get some stupid compensation. Then don't move him. Period.

we have no reason to. He's cheap and on his rookie deal for two more years. Making some grand assumption that Brock is the answer at this point is foolish. Having Lance here doesn't hurt the team in anyway…they clearly loved him enough to move up to get him. We need QBs. Not the other way around.

serious question.

What does Trey Lance offer that DTR or Hendon Hooker doesn't?

DTR is better than Lance right now.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's nothing to do with hope. If you can't get some stupid compensation. Then don't move him. Period.

we have no reason to. He's cheap and on his rookie deal for two more years. Making some grand assumption that Brock is the answer at this point is foolish. Having Lance here doesn't hurt the team in anyway…they clearly loved him enough to move up to get him. We need QBs. Not the other way around.

serious question.

What does Trey Lance offer that DTR or Hendon Hooker doesn't?

DTR is better than Lance right now.

LOL prove it

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Why hold him prisoner. He has to move on, and find a new home for himself, and rediscover his potential. Been, hitting the sauce a little to much, it seems. Stick, with non-alcoholic, my friend.

Prisoner of what? He's getting damn near all the 1st string reps this off season and has a chance to be the starter WK1. He's under contract here. Why hold Sam Prisoner? Why hold Danny gray prisoner? We should trade them all right?

Only one who seems drunk this early is you my dude.

Lol, I don't drink anymore, been 25 years. Just, coffee and an occasional O'Douls, non-alcoholic. Why are you so fixed in keeping him? He's not all that, I think we all know that now. He has talent, but he hasn't proven s**t in three years.

If we got a 3rd and a 4th for him we might be able to trade with someone else to get a second.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lance has been in the offense for years. He's bigger than DTR and that UCLA scheme wasn't exactly asking him to make these high level anticipatory throws…And I think Hooker is overrated (and he's 25 with a torn ACL currently). That Tenn offense was not close to what we do here…so acting like he could just run this offense is "hope" imo.

I would prefer DTR based on where his projection is in the draft. For me moving Lance so I could draft one of those dudes is a downgrade and makes no sense.

So you feel that the things that Trey has on DTR is knowledge of offense. Size and DTR not asked to do a lot of Anticipatory throws. The size, is a wash as DTR is big enough. Obviously the scheme part is an advantage Trey has. But I think Jimmy and Brock both stepping in immediately and producing proves that you don't need to be in this system all that long. The last one is Anticipatory throws. Now i'm not going to pretend I know if that is correct or not on DTR.. I will take your word for that but would add that that isn't a strong suit of Trey's either.

So using your own reasons doesn't exactly give Trey that big of a leg up. Not let's flip it to what does DTR bring that Trey doesn't.

I would say accuracy and experience are the things that DTR has over Trey. Both of which IMO are better strengths than size and anticipatory throws. So if we are truly being objective. why would you not trade Trey and draft DTR?

If you even get a 2nd and 4th for Trey that could easily be a starting CB opposite Ward (Ringo?) a starting DE opposite Bosa (Dude from Kansas st) or a starting RT with that 2nd round pick. That 4th round pick could be DTR.

So why would you not want a starter at DE/CB/RT and 2 extra years on a QB with the same skillset as Trey? size and system knowledge is all you listed differently for the two. DTR would be cheaper, 2 extra years and you can still develop him as you could Trey.

So even if it does end up being a downgrade at the beginning, as you said, we don't know if it would be a downgrade over the long haul. When you factor in getting a possible starter out of the other pick trading him isn't as silly as some make it sound.

This to me is thinking objectively.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Lol, I don't drink anymore, been 25 years. Just, coffee and an occasional O'Douls, non-alcoholic. Why are you so fixed in keeping him? He's not all that, I think we all know that now. He has talent, but he hasn't proven s**t in three years.

Making any conclusion on either guy is foolish at this stage in their career. Lance hasn't played meaningful football. He hasn't even played back to back games. So saying whatever good or bad is kinda pointless. Brock has 170 passing attempts. Not even a full season of football to proclaim anything. 37 other QBs threw the ball more than them this past yr!

where you getting 3 years? He's been on the team for two seasons. No one wanted him to play as a rookie…you all got your wish (outside of two games) and we didn't win a Super Bowl. He had 30 passing attempts this past yr and got hurt. Dats it.

There is absolutely no reason to move him unless (like I said) the compensation is stupid good. Not sure why that's so hard for you to get? He's not hurting this team in any way. We NEED QBs and he has a damn good chance of being the starter WK1

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Why hold him prisoner. He has to move on, and find a new home for himself, and rediscover his potential. Been, hitting the sauce a little to much, it seems. Stick, with non-alcoholic, my friend.

Prisoner of what? He's getting damn near all the 1st string reps this off season and has a chance to be the starter WK1. He's under contract here. Why hold Sam Prisoner? Why hold Danny gray prisoner? We should trade them all right?

Only one who seems drunk this early is you my dude.

Lol, I don't drink anymore, been 25 years. Just, coffee and an occasional O'Douls, non-alcoholic. Why are you so fixed in keeping him? He's not all that, I think we all know that now. He has talent, but he hasn't proven s**t in three years.

If we got a 3rd and a 4th for him we might be able to trade with someone else to get a second.

3rd and 4th, we can get a 2nd and 3rd for him. That's what I've been trying to convince, NY of. We aren't getting two firsts or something for him. That ship, has sailed and is fantasy land.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Lol, I don't drink anymore, been 25 years. Just, coffee and an occasional O'Douls, non-alcoholic. Why are you so fixed in keeping him? He's not all that, I think we all know that now. He has talent, but he hasn't proven s**t in three years.

Making any conclusion on either guy is foolish at this stage in their career. Lance hasn't played meaningful football. He hasn't even played back to back games. So saying whatever good or bad is kinda pointless. Brock has 170 passing attempts. Not even a full season of football to proclaim anything. 37 other QBs threw the ball more than them this past yr!

where you getting 3 years? He's been on the team for two seasons. No one wanted him to play as a rookie…you all got your wish (outside of two games) and we didn't win a Super Bowl. He had 30 passing attempts this past yr and got hurt. Dats it.

There is absolutely no reason to move him unless (like I said) the compensation is stupid good. Not sure why that's so hard for you to get? He's not hurting this team in any way. We NEED QBs and he has a damn good chance of being the starter WK1

A second and third and maybe additional picks, or a player or two isn't stupid good? Because, we aren't getting those 3 first rounders back, not even one first rounder.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's nothing to do with hope. If you can't get some stupid compensation. Then don't move him. Period.

we have no reason to. He's cheap and on his rookie deal for two more years. Making some grand assumption that Brock is the answer at this point is foolish. Having Lance here doesn't hurt the team in anyway…they clearly loved him enough to move up to get him. We need QBs. Not the other way around.

serious question.

What does Trey Lance offer that DTR or Hendon Hooker doesn't?

DTR is better than Lance right now.

He's more experienced from the throwing perspective. It doesn't make him better in our offense in 2023 or beyond. He also happens to be older than Trey.

As for krizay's question does it matter? Not like you'd respect the answer anyways.

Hendon Hooker happens to be 25 years old already. Tell me how good he was at 21/22?

No matter how much you guys want to downplay Lance there things that make highly successful QBs in the NFL Lance has displayed on film IN the NFL. He simply hasn't played long enough to do them consistently but that's not all his fault since the team decided to sit him as a rookie and then he got injured on a fluke play in the 2nd game of this season.

If the idea is we can't give Lance the game reps he needs to develop properly because we found a QB like Brock that's not the same thing as we don't want Lance here because he can't play in the NFL.

We will find out soon enough where the team stands. If they do trade him for peanuts before/during the draft then we'll know Lance wasn't very good in the eyes of Shanahan(which will certainly raise questions on wtf we were thinking taking him 3rd overall and making the type of move to get him just 2 years ago) but it will answer that question.

Right now we're reacting to rumors with people trying to read between the lines. Yes if the 49ers feel Brock Purdy is their guy moving forward then you don't need a guy like Lance sitting behind him, you try to get what you can for him. BUT given the situation with Brock's health and our propensity not lose QBs to injury getting rid of the only other QB who has actually played with this team recently for junk WHILE losing cap space makes no damn sense.

Originally posted by krizay:
So you feel that the things that Trey has on DTR is knowledge of offense. Size and DTR not asked to do a lot of Anticipatory throws. The size, is a wash as DTR is big enough. Obviously the scheme part is an advantage Trey has. But I think Jimmy and Brock both stepping in immediately and producing proves that you don't need to be in this system all that long. The last one is Anticipatory throws. Now i'm not going to pretend I know if that is correct or not on DTR.. I will take your word for that but would add that that isn't a strong suit of Trey's either.

So using your own reasons doesn't exactly give Trey that big of a leg up. Not let's flip it to what does DTR bring that Trey doesn't.

I would say accuracy and experience are the things that DTR has over Trey. Both of which IMO are better strengths than size and anticipatory throws. So if we are truly being objective. why would you not trade Trey and draft DTR?

If you even get a 2nd and 4th for Trey that could easily be a starting CB opposite Ward (Ringo?) a starting DE opposite Bosa (Dude from Kansas st) or a starting RT with that 2nd round pick. That 4th round pick could be DTR.

So why would you not want a starter at DE/CB/RT and 2 extra years on a QB with the same skillset as Trey? size and system knowledge is all you listed differently for the two. DTR would be cheaper, 2 extra years and you can still develop him as you could Trey.

So even if it does end up being a downgrade at the beginning, as you said, we don't know if it would be a downgrade over the long haul. When you factor in getting a possible starter out of the other pick trading him isn't as silly as some make it sound.

This to me is thinking objectively.

Big enough? He's 200lbs soaking wet at 6-1. The lack of anticipatory throws was evident. I saw Lance make throws like that at NDSU and here. I'm not saying DTR can't. Just haven't seen much of it. I don't dislike him. I'm not tossing Lance for him at all.

Neither are super accurate. Throwing to wide open dudes in college (with the lack of the anticipation throws) doesn't really vibe with being very accurate. I would say both have issues with footwork as well.

Ringo imo is more of a safety than a CB. I'm not a big fan. Overall I just don't value this draft very highly. Guys we're picking late day 2 and day 3 aren't much worse than guys that are going in the second. This is a depth draft imo. Not a draft full of studs and day 1 starters.

if the compensation isn't ridiculous then there's no point in moving him.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Why hold him prisoner. He has to move on, and find a new home for himself, and rediscover his potential. Been, hitting the sauce a little to much, it seems. Stick, with non-alcoholic, my friend.

Prisoner of what? He's getting damn near all the 1st string reps this off season and has a chance to be the starter WK1. He's under contract here. Why hold Sam Prisoner? Why hold Danny gray prisoner? We should trade them all right?

Only one who seems drunk this early is you my dude.

Lol, I don't drink anymore, been 25 years. Just, coffee and an occasional O'Douls, non-alcoholic. Why are you so fixed in keeping him? He's not all that, I think we all know that now. He has talent, but he hasn't proven s**t in three years.

If we got a 3rd and a 4th for him we might be able to trade with someone else to get a second.

3rd and 4th, we can get a 2nd and 3rd for him. That's what I've been trying to convince, NY of. We aren't getting two firsts or something for him. That ship, has sailed and is fantasy land.

And get who? This draft stinks. If the compensation is ridiculous then there's no reason to move him.

a young QB, that knows our offense and STILL has the potential to be damn good is vastly more important. Especially when he's more than likely gonna be the Wk1 starter…after that it's anyone's guess.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's nothing to do with hope. If you can't get some stupid compensation. Then don't move him. Period.

we have no reason to. He's cheap and on his rookie deal for two more years. Making some grand assumption that Brock is the answer at this point is foolish. Having Lance here doesn't hurt the team in anyway…they clearly loved him enough to move up to get him. We need QBs. Not the other way around.

serious question.

What does Trey Lance offer that DTR or Hendon Hooker doesn't?

DTR is better than Lance right now.

LOL prove it

He's not better and I like DTR as a day 3 QB prospect. Again anything River says is oozing with bias takes.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Why hold him prisoner. He has to move on, and find a new home for himself, and rediscover his potential. Been, hitting the sauce a little to much, it seems. Stick, with non-alcoholic, my friend.

Prisoner of what? He's getting damn near all the 1st string reps this off season and has a chance to be the starter WK1. He's under contract here. Why hold Sam Prisoner? Why hold Danny gray prisoner? We should trade them all right?

Only one who seems drunk this early is you my dude.

Lol, I don't drink anymore, been 25 years. Just, coffee and an occasional O'Douls, non-alcoholic. Why are you so fixed in keeping him? He's not all that, I think we all know that now. He has talent, but he hasn't proven s**t in three years.

If we got a 3rd and a 4th for him we might be able to trade with someone else to get a second.

3rd and 4th, we can get a 2nd and 3rd for him. That's what I've been trying to convince, NY of. We aren't getting two firsts or something for him. That ship, has sailed and is fantasy land.

And get who? This draft stinks. If the compensation is ridiculous then there's no reason to move him.

a young QB, that knows our offense and STILL has the potential to be damn good is vastly more important. Especially when he's more than likely gonna be the Wk1 starter…after that it's anyone's guess.

Get a RT and another edge rusher to team with Nick, in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Why hold him prisoner. He has to move on, and find a new home for himself, and rediscover his potential. Been, hitting the sauce a little to much, it seems. Stick, with non-alcoholic, my friend.

Prisoner of what? He's getting damn near all the 1st string reps this off season and has a chance to be the starter WK1. He's under contract here. Why hold Sam Prisoner? Why hold Danny gray prisoner? We should trade them all right?

Only one who seems drunk this early is you my dude.

Lol, I don't drink anymore, been 25 years. Just, coffee and an occasional O'Douls, non-alcoholic. Why are you so fixed in keeping him? He's not all that, I think we all know that now. He has talent, but he hasn't proven s**t in three years.

Do we really want to put all of our eggs in one basket for a guy who's coming off of a major elbow surgery and still hasn't proven anything yet himself? No, you keep Trey and give him every opportunity in the world to prove he was the right pick at #3. There's no good reason to trade Trey, unless someone really blows it out of the water with a dumb offer (that is never gonna happen).

Some of y'all got too much of a hard-on on the idea of getting rid of Trey, when it makes zero logical since to do so. Man, some things never change in this thread

Originally posted by mayo49:
Get a RT and another edge rusher to team with Nick, in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Who name someone?? Who's gonna be this stud RT or EDGE? We can draft all that at the end of the 3rd just as well. The player talent outside of like 10-12 guys is not great this year.

if people paid attention to this draft for the past couple months they'd know

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Do we really want to put all of our eggs in one basket for a guy who's coming off of a major elbow surgery and still hasn't proven anything yet himself? No, you keep Trey and give him every opportunity in the world to prove he was the right pick at #3. There's no good reason to trade Trey, unless someone really blows it out of the water with a dumb offer (that is never gonna happen).

Some of y'all got too much of a hard-on on the idea of getting rid of Trey, when it makes zero logical since to do so. Man, some things never change in this thread

Thank you!