Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
I feel like trey is a goner

He is, depending how Dirty's elbow shakes out. If unforseen plans change with Dirty, he back in the picture again. The future is not promised to anyone. He just needs to stay the course and bite his time. Is that right, bite his time? Lol.

Dirty?

Kyle might feel fine with going with Darnold to open the season if Purdy isn't ready yet.

Also, good point on knbr was made, what if Darnold beats out Lance in camp? His value will plummet.

You don't like Dirty, he has like ten nicknames. I like using, Dirty Purdy, it fits him and his personality, lol.

NO ONE likes Dirty!

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
I feel like trey is a goner

He is, depending how Dirty's elbow shakes out. If unforseen plans change with Dirty, he back in the picture again. The future is not promised to anyone. He just needs to stay the course and bite his time. Is that right, bite his time? Lol.

Dirty?

Kyle might feel fine with going with Darnold to open the season if Purdy isn't ready yet.

Also, good point on knbr was made, what if Darnold beats out Lance in camp? His value will plummet.

If they get a good package for him this draft, they might pull the trigger, paving the way for Sam to be the starter to start the season, if Brock isn't ready.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
I feel like trey is a goner

He is, depending how Dirty's elbow shakes out. If unforseen plans change with Dirty, he back in the picture again. The future is not promised to anyone. He just needs to stay the course and bite his time. Is that right, bite his time? Lol.

Dirty?

Kyle might feel fine with going with Darnold to open the season if Purdy isn't ready yet.

Also, good point on knbr was made, what if Darnold beats out Lance in camp? His value will plummet.

You don't like Dirty, he has like ten nicknames. I like using, Dirty Purdy, it fits him and his personality, lol.

NO ONE likes Dirty!

Ok, I do. That's all that matters. Not hurting anyone, lol. Using his surname is kind of boring.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:
remember last year when the team was like "NO WAY ARE WE TRADING DEEBO!!! NOPE. NO!



well the team hasnt been saying that about Trey

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Per Matt Maiocco

A source confirmed NFL Media insider Ian Rapoport's report that, yes, unspecified teams have called about Lance's availability and, no, the 49ers are not seeking to trade him.

publicly. they said it multiple times publicly. Kyle and John have not done that for Trey.

That's because Deebo was PUBLICILY trying to force a trade.

Why would Kyle and John give credence to a BS report when they could just talk to their players about where they stand behind closed doors?

If Kyle came out and said we're not trading him, would that actually make anyone believe it? Obviously not. Would the forum stop speculating he could be traded? NO.

I don't understand why you and many other posters are spreading a bunch of rumors that Trey's not at working camp and that the team doesn't defend him... its all lazy nonsense.

this offseason, Kyle and John have both PUBLICLY stated everyone is available for trade. Kyle and John have also both stated Brock is the leader and the starter for this team when he's healthy. Kyle and John have also said Trey needs more playing time to improve. if Brock has no setbacks, where is Trey going to get that much-needed PT? if Trey cant beat out Sam Darnold, they'll lose the current value of Trey's "potential". then what?

all these points are why a trade isnt as far fetched as many of you in here are making it.

This is all about risk/reward situation.

49ers have a potential SB roster but we just watched a season where the best roster in the NFL got embarrassed and our season ended because we didn't have a QB of any worth in a must win game.

So we want to get rid of Trey who currently is the only QB under contract who will be healthy for training camp and has actually played in this offense and been inside this locker room.

Ok fine...this is the risk involved

You trade Lance and odds are you're left relying on Brock to get back 100% and Darnold to be a good pickup. Neither is guaranteed. What happens if a repeat of anything near like what happened last year goes down?

What's more devesatitng to our chances of repeating? Not getting that top 50 pick for Trey(while also taking a cap HIT)? Or finding ourselves playing another mid round rookie QB or Josh Johnson level QB?

It's just not a risk worth taking, not for the level of return you're going to get. First round pick...ok you take the risk and hope to hell Brock is back and stays healthy and Darnold and Shanahan are a match made in bust overturn heaven.

Getting a mid-late 2nd round pick for Trey to me isn't worth the risk. The whole idea is you have a team ready to win now and you saw what happened last year. I'm sure even the anti Trey crowd in here would admit Trey is a much better option than Josh Johnson type.

I would much rather take less in a trade for Trey but get a good look at him in training camp. Get a good look at Darnold in training camp and get a better report on Brock's recovery in training camp and if Trey doesn't impress you then you move him. Yes it MAY be for less but you're ensuring you're setup for success for this season.

There is 0 guarantee the pick(s) we get from trading Lance would make an impact this season or at all. Some of you guys are so hard up for draft picks so the draft isn't boring you lose all sense of logic and reason.

it all hinges on how Kyle feels about him. fans' feelings on this forum have no bearing on the decision.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:
remember last year when the team was like "NO WAY ARE WE TRADING DEEBO!!! NOPE. NO!



well the team hasnt been saying that about Trey

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Per Matt Maiocco

A source confirmed NFL Media insider Ian Rapoport's report that, yes, unspecified teams have called about Lance's availability and, no, the 49ers are not seeking to trade him.

publicly. they said it multiple times publicly. Kyle and John have not done that for Trey.

That's because Deebo was PUBLICILY trying to force a trade.

Why would Kyle and John give credence to a BS report when they could just talk to their players about where they stand behind closed doors?

If Kyle came out and said we're not trading him, would that actually make anyone believe it? Obviously not. Would the forum stop speculating he could be traded? NO.

I don't understand why you and many other posters are spreading a bunch of rumors that Trey's not at working camp and that the team doesn't defend him... its all lazy nonsense.

this offseason, Kyle and John have both PUBLICLY stated everyone is available for trade. Kyle and John have also both stated Brock is the leader and the starter for this team when he's healthy. Kyle and John have also said Trey needs more playing time to improve. if Brock has no setbacks, where is Trey going to get that much-needed PT? if Trey cant beat out Sam Darnold, they'll lose the current value of Trey's "potential". then what?

all these points are why a trade isnt as far fetched as many of you in here are making it.

This is all about risk/reward situation.

49ers have a potential SB roster but we just watched a season where the best roster in the NFL got embarrassed and our season ended because we didn't have a QB of any worth in a must win game.

So we want to get rid of Trey who currently is the only QB under contract who will be healthy for training camp and has actually played in this offense and been inside this locker room.

Ok fine...this is the risk involved

You trade Lance and odds are you're left relying on Brock to get back 100% and Darnold to be a good pickup. Neither is guaranteed. What happens if a repeat of anything near like what happened last year goes down?

What's more devesatitng to our chances of repeating? Not getting that top 50 pick for Trey(while also taking a cap HIT)? Or finding ourselves playing another mid round rookie QB or Josh Johnson level QB?

It's just not a risk worth taking, not for the level of return you're going to get. First round pick...ok you take the risk and hope to hell Brock is back and stays healthy and Darnold and Shanahan are a match made in bust overturn heaven.

Getting a mid-late 2nd round pick for Trey to me isn't worth the risk. The whole idea is you have a team ready to win now and you saw what happened last year. I'm sure even the anti Trey crowd in here would admit Trey is a much better option than Josh Johnson type.

I would much rather take less in a trade for Trey but get a good look at him in training camp. Get a good look at Darnold in training camp and get a better report on Brock's recovery in training camp and if Trey doesn't impress you then you move him. Yes it MAY be for less but you're ensuring you're setup for success for this season.

There is 0 guarantee the pick(s) we get from trading Lance would make an impact this season or at all. Some of you guys are so hard up for draft picks so the draft isn't boring you lose all sense of logic and reason.

it all hinges on how Kyle feels about him. fans' feelings on this forum have no bearing on the decision.

Obviously, we have no bearing on the decision. Let's just hope Kyle and John make the right decision for the franchise. Their already behind the eight ball for drafting him.

Originally posted by boast:
wHy ArE yOu SpEcUlAtInG aNd SpReAdInG rUmOrS oN a SpOrTs ForUm?!?!!

says the same dudes who never pushed back when people were making posts like Jimmy's lack of brain elasticity.

I mean, by any definition you are spreading false rumors. You can get defensive all you want. That's what you did.

Not just you, but many others have gone on and on about what it says about Trey's character that he's not showing up for his workouts… without any evidence he's actually not there.

Pushed back on brain elasticity posts? WTF are you even talking about? Deflect much?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:
wHy ArE yOu SpEcUlAtInG aNd SpReAdInG rUmOrS oN a SpOrTs ForUm?!?!!

says the same dudes who never pushed back when people were making posts like Jimmy's lack of brain elasticity.

I mean, by any definition you are spreading false rumors. You can get defensive all you want. That's what you did.

Not just you, but many others have gone on and on about what it says about Trey's character that he's not showing up for his workouts… without any evidence he's actually not there.

Pushed back on brain elasticity posts? WTF are you even talking about? Deflect much?

it was a rumor until it wasnt. it was speculation until it wasnt. i wasnt the one who started it. it was being talked about on the official Niner discord and Niner Twitter. i never questioned Trey's character. ive never been anti Trey. i asked if anyone had proof he was in the bldg. after three days, i was finally given proof today.

deflecting from what? i gave example of ridiculous speculation on this forum that nobody questioned.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:
remember last year when the team was like "NO WAY ARE WE TRADING DEEBO!!! NOPE. NO!



well the team hasnt been saying that about Trey

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Per Matt Maiocco

A source confirmed NFL Media insider Ian Rapoport's report that, yes, unspecified teams have called about Lance's availability and, no, the 49ers are not seeking to trade him.

publicly. they said it multiple times publicly. Kyle and John have not done that for Trey.

That's because Deebo was PUBLICILY trying to force a trade.

Why would Kyle and John give credence to a BS report when they could just talk to their players about where they stand behind closed doors?

If Kyle came out and said we're not trading him, would that actually make anyone believe it? Obviously not. Would the forum stop speculating he could be traded? NO.

I don't understand why you and many other posters are spreading a bunch of rumors that Trey's not at working camp and that the team doesn't defend him... its all lazy nonsense.

this offseason, Kyle and John have both PUBLICLY stated everyone is available for trade. Kyle and John have also both stated Brock is the leader and the starter for this team when he's healthy. Kyle and John have also said Trey needs more playing time to improve. if Brock has no setbacks, where is Trey going to get that much-needed PT? if Trey cant beat out Sam Darnold, they'll lose the current value of Trey's "potential". then what?

all these points are why a trade isnt as far fetched as many of you in here are making it.

This is all about risk/reward situation.

49ers have a potential SB roster but we just watched a season where the best roster in the NFL got embarrassed and our season ended because we didn't have a QB of any worth in a must win game.

So we want to get rid of Trey who currently is the only QB under contract who will be healthy for training camp and has actually played in this offense and been inside this locker room.

Ok fine...this is the risk involved

You trade Lance and odds are you're left relying on Brock to get back 100% and Darnold to be a good pickup. Neither is guaranteed. What happens if a repeat of anything near like what happened last year goes down?

What's more devesatitng to our chances of repeating? Not getting that top 50 pick for Trey(while also taking a cap HIT)? Or finding ourselves playing another mid round rookie QB or Josh Johnson level QB?

It's just not a risk worth taking, not for the level of return you're going to get. First round pick...ok you take the risk and hope to hell Brock is back and stays healthy and Darnold and Shanahan are a match made in bust overturn heaven.

Getting a mid-late 2nd round pick for Trey to me isn't worth the risk. The whole idea is you have a team ready to win now and you saw what happened last year. I'm sure even the anti Trey crowd in here would admit Trey is a much better option than Josh Johnson type.

I would much rather take less in a trade for Trey but get a good look at him in training camp. Get a good look at Darnold in training camp and get a better report on Brock's recovery in training camp and if Trey doesn't impress you then you move him. Yes it MAY be for less but you're ensuring you're setup for success for this season.

There is 0 guarantee the pick(s) we get from trading Lance would make an impact this season or at all. Some of you guys are so hard up for draft picks so the draft isn't boring you lose all sense of logic and reason.

it all hinges on how Kyle feels about him. fans' feelings on this forum have no bearing on the decision.

Exactly if Kyle no longer believes in Trey for better or worse its no risk at all.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
I feel like trey is a goner

He is, depending how Dirty's elbow shakes out. If unforseen plans change with Dirty, he back in the picture again. The future is not promised to anyone. He just needs to stay the course and bite his time. Is that right, bite his time? Lol.

Dirty?

Kyle might feel fine with going with Darnold to open the season if Purdy isn't ready yet.

Also, good point on knbr was made, what if Darnold beats out Lance in camp? His value will plummet.

Who cares? At least then you're ensuring that you have a QB in Darnold who can help you win while Brock is recovering. Right now they have no idea, just speculation and hope. Something they had a lot of in Trey Lance as well.

What happens if Lance shows up to camp and looks like a completely different guy and blows Darnold out of the water since this is his 3rd season in this offense? What happens if Darnold looks fine in training camp but in preseason where guys can actually hit him he goes back to being inconsistent?

If anything you should expect Darnold to look solid in practice. He's got 55 career starts under his belt and has talent. Question with him is turnovers and playing under pressure but you need to make sure of that!

Top priority for us should be ensuring we have the best QB situation possible for this season, not selling a possible starter for more unknowns when the rest of your QB room is a ?

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:
remember last year when the team was like "NO WAY ARE WE TRADING DEEBO!!! NOPE. NO!



well the team hasnt been saying that about Trey

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Per Matt Maiocco

A source confirmed NFL Media insider Ian Rapoport's report that, yes, unspecified teams have called about Lance's availability and, no, the 49ers are not seeking to trade him.

publicly. they said it multiple times publicly. Kyle and John have not done that for Trey.

That's because Deebo was PUBLICILY trying to force a trade.

Why would Kyle and John give credence to a BS report when they could just talk to their players about where they stand behind closed doors?

If Kyle came out and said we're not trading him, would that actually make anyone believe it? Obviously not. Would the forum stop speculating he could be traded? NO.

I don't understand why you and many other posters are spreading a bunch of rumors that Trey's not at working camp and that the team doesn't defend him... its all lazy nonsense.

this offseason, Kyle and John have both PUBLICLY stated everyone is available for trade. Kyle and John have also both stated Brock is the leader and the starter for this team when he's healthy. Kyle and John have also said Trey needs more playing time to improve. if Brock has no setbacks, where is Trey going to get that much-needed PT? if Trey cant beat out Sam Darnold, they'll lose the current value of Trey's "potential". then what?

all these points are why a trade isnt as far fetched as many of you in here are making it.

This is all about risk/reward situation.

49ers have a potential SB roster but we just watched a season where the best roster in the NFL got embarrassed and our season ended because we didn't have a QB of any worth in a must win game.

So we want to get rid of Trey who currently is the only QB under contract who will be healthy for training camp and has actually played in this offense and been inside this locker room.

Ok fine...this is the risk involved

You trade Lance and odds are you're left relying on Brock to get back 100% and Darnold to be a good pickup. Neither is guaranteed. What happens if a repeat of anything near like what happened last year goes down?

What's more devesatitng to our chances of repeating? Not getting that top 50 pick for Trey(while also taking a cap HIT)? Or finding ourselves playing another mid round rookie QB or Josh Johnson level QB?

It's just not a risk worth taking, not for the level of return you're going to get. First round pick...ok you take the risk and hope to hell Brock is back and stays healthy and Darnold and Shanahan are a match made in bust overturn heaven.

Getting a mid-late 2nd round pick for Trey to me isn't worth the risk. The whole idea is you have a team ready to win now and you saw what happened last year. I'm sure even the anti Trey crowd in here would admit Trey is a much better option than Josh Johnson type.

I would much rather take less in a trade for Trey but get a good look at him in training camp. Get a good look at Darnold in training camp and get a better report on Brock's recovery in training camp and if Trey doesn't impress you then you move him. Yes it MAY be for less but you're ensuring you're setup for success for this season.

There is 0 guarantee the pick(s) we get from trading Lance would make an impact this season or at all. Some of you guys are so hard up for draft picks so the draft isn't boring you lose all sense of logic and reason.

it all hinges on how Kyle feels about him. fans' feelings on this forum have no bearing on the decision.

You read all that and got that from it?

Or more likely you didn't read and made the assumption?

Nobody said anything about fans. It's logically a terrible decision. Shanahan basically gave up in that Eagles game because we didn't have a QB. Regardless of how you feel about Trey does it make sense to leave the QB room with the only known being Brock Purdy? An 8 game starter who is recovering from a serious elbow injury that we have very little information about in terms of success/recovery rate for other QBs?

Sure he can make the move, we can draft a franchise RT or a top tier starter with the pick and all can work out honky dory at QB - Brock comes back to 100%, Darnold runs the offense well enough in his absence that we win games then Brock takes over and we never look back.

That's the perfect scenario.

I just don't understand how you can realistically expect that given recent history.

Is ego maniac Kyle really going to make himself look like an idiot by trading Trey for peanuts after what he gave up to get him? This is the guy that held onto Jalen Hurd for 3 years and all he invested in him was a 2nd. He knows the way the league are going to be looking at him once he makes this trade. It's not going to be a bad look on Trey, He never asked to get drafted at 3. Trey will be fine. It's going to be Kyle that will be laughed at. And then just imagine if Trey turns into an elite QB. You basically traded 3 1st RD picks for him to be an elite franchise QB for somebody else. Not sure how Kyle and John recover from that(minus winning a SB).

My money is still on, Dirty. I think he comes back to his old self if his rehab goes smoothly. I think he's on track to be the starter come opening day. I think the writing has been on the wall for Trey for a while. Hopefully, John and Kyle can find a nice landing spot for him to resserect his career. Don't know if it'll happen now or anytime soon, but within the next two years at least, if Trey comes back to being the same player we seen last year. Just my two cents on the matter. Discuss.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Is ego maniac Kyle really going to make himself look like an idiot by trading Trey for peanuts after what he gave up to get him? This is the guy that held onto Jalen Hurd for 3 years and all he invested in him was a 2nd. He knows the way the league are going to be looking at him once he makes this trade. It's not going to be a bad look on Trey, He never asked to get drafted at 3. Trey will be fine. It's going to be Kyle that will be laughed at. And then just imagine if Trey turns into an elite QB. You basically traded 3 1st RD picks for him to be an elite franchise QB for somebody else. Not sure how Kyle and John recover from that(minus winning a SB).

Keeping drafting all pro players in the middle/late rounds and drafting what looks like to be our franchise QB with the last pick in the draft will keep them around for a very long time.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:
wHy ArE yOu SpEcUlAtInG aNd SpReAdInG rUmOrS oN a SpOrTs ForUm?!?!!

says the same dudes who never pushed back when people were making posts like Jimmy's lack of brain elasticity.

I mean, by any definition you are spreading false rumors. You can get defensive all you want. That's what you did.

Not just you, but many others have gone on and on about what it says about Trey's character that he's not showing up for his workouts… without any evidence he's actually not there.

Pushed back on brain elasticity posts? WTF are you even talking about? Deflect much?

Lol right? Dude jumped the gun because of bias. Got it wrong. Then deflected about Jimmy It's okay for people to say they got it wrong instead of being defensive about it. We could all be better about that stuff.

FWIW I didn't hear a peep about Sam's IG story from yesterday, where he was golfing with barstool guys. People actually said he was at the facility and had nothing to prove that lol.

just fishing for confirmation bias.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:
remember last year when the team was like "NO WAY ARE WE TRADING DEEBO!!! NOPE. NO!



well the team hasnt been saying that about Trey

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Per Matt Maiocco

A source confirmed NFL Media insider Ian Rapoport's report that, yes, unspecified teams have called about Lance's availability and, no, the 49ers are not seeking to trade him.

publicly. they said it multiple times publicly. Kyle and John have not done that for Trey.

That's because Deebo was PUBLICILY trying to force a trade.

Why would Kyle and John give credence to a BS report when they could just talk to their players about where they stand behind closed doors?

If Kyle came out and said we're not trading him, would that actually make anyone believe it? Obviously not. Would the forum stop speculating he could be traded? NO.

I don't understand why you and many other posters are spreading a bunch of rumors that Trey's not at working camp and that the team doesn't defend him... its all lazy nonsense.

this offseason, Kyle and John have both PUBLICLY stated everyone is available for trade. Kyle and John have also both stated Brock is the leader and the starter for this team when he's healthy. Kyle and John have also said Trey needs more playing time to improve. if Brock has no setbacks, where is Trey going to get that much-needed PT? if Trey cant beat out Sam Darnold, they'll lose the current value of Trey's "potential". then what?

all these points are why a trade isnt as far fetched as many of you in here are making it.

This is all about risk/reward situation.

49ers have a potential SB roster but we just watched a season where the best roster in the NFL got embarrassed and our season ended because we didn't have a QB of any worth in a must win game.

So we want to get rid of Trey who currently is the only QB under contract who will be healthy for training camp and has actually played in this offense and been inside this locker room.

Ok fine...this is the risk involved

You trade Lance and odds are you're left relying on Brock to get back 100% and Darnold to be a good pickup. Neither is guaranteed. What happens if a repeat of anything near like what happened last year goes down?

What's more devesatitng to our chances of repeating? Not getting that top 50 pick for Trey(while also taking a cap HIT)? Or finding ourselves playing another mid round rookie QB or Josh Johnson level QB?

It's just not a risk worth taking, not for the level of return you're going to get. First round pick...ok you take the risk and hope to hell Brock is back and stays healthy and Darnold and Shanahan are a match made in bust overturn heaven.

Getting a mid-late 2nd round pick for Trey to me isn't worth the risk. The whole idea is you have a team ready to win now and you saw what happened last year. I'm sure even the anti Trey crowd in here would admit Trey is a much better option than Josh Johnson type.

I would much rather take less in a trade for Trey but get a good look at him in training camp. Get a good look at Darnold in training camp and get a better report on Brock's recovery in training camp and if Trey doesn't impress you then you move him. Yes it MAY be for less but you're ensuring you're setup for success for this season.

There is 0 guarantee the pick(s) we get from trading Lance would make an impact this season or at all. Some of you guys are so hard up for draft picks so the draft isn't boring you lose all sense of logic and reason.

it all hinges on how Kyle feels about him. fans' feelings on this forum have no bearing on the decision.

You read all that and got that from it?

Or more likely you didn't read and made the assumption?

Nobody said anything about fans. It's logically a terrible decision. Shanahan basically gave up in that Eagles game because we didn't have a QB. Regardless of how you feel about Trey does it make sense to leave the QB room with the only known being Brock Purdy? An 8 game starter who is recovering from a serious elbow injury that we have very little information about in terms of success/recovery rate for other QBs?

Sure he can make the move, we can draft a franchise RT or a top tier starter with the pick and all can work out honky dory at QB - Brock comes back to 100%, Darnold runs the offense well enough in his absence that we win games then Brock takes over and we never look back.

That's the perfect scenario.

I just don't understand how you can realistically expect that given recent history.

lol i read your post. it's full of things like...

Getting a mid-late 2nd round pick for Trey to me isn't worth the risk.

I would much rather take less in a trade for Trey.

in a next post you said "Who cares?" if Trey's value plummets if he gets beat out by Sam Darnold.

that's all personal feelings and i would argue the FO cares very much about what they could get for Trey.