Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
And it's not really Mahomes physical traits that make him great. There are plenty guys with his size and arm strength. He's great because he has unmatched instincts and feel for the game and is deadly accurate

agreed

Originally posted by mayo49:
Come on, NY. You know better, than that. Jimmy G, level. Brock? He's a revelation, a phenom. He's Dirty Purdy, never seen anything like him since Joe. Perfect, for us and everyone in the league loves him and his story. Jimmy G, level? Oh, my god. Darnold is Jimmy G, level. Brock might not be as dynamic, like Mahomes. But, he knows how to win games. And, that's something your born with no learned in practice, but actually, done in real game situations and playoff pressure.

K

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Come on, NY. You know better, than that. Jimmy G, level. Brock? He's a revelation, a phenom. He's Dirty Purdy, never seen anything like him since Joe. Perfect, for us and everyone in the league loves him and his story. Jimmy G, level? Oh, my god. Darnold is Jimmy G, level. Brock might not be as dynamic, like Mahomes. But, he knows how to win games. And, that's something your born with no learned in practice, but actually, done in real game situations and playoff pressure.

K

Originally posted by krizay:
You hit the nail on the head with Perfect for us comment. I think that gets lost in looking around the league at all these physically gifted QBs and want what they have. It's all about running the offense you are being asked to run and Brock has ran his offense like a Boss.

If you have a perfect situation then yes the QB doesn't need to be Mahomes or Allen. SF is not gonna have a super roster every yr. At some point you will have to pay Brock $50M per or whatever…then the roster will not be what it is currently. At that point you will need to lean on the QB to play above what he was/mask deficiencies that can't be addressed because of cash restraints….it's the NFL and that's how that s**t rolls.

A lot of teams get set into purgatory because they're forced to overpay for the Derrick Carr/Daniel Jones/Kirk cousins/JimmyGaroppolo's of the world. QBs that are capable of winning games on a top end roster BUT not good enough to win it all or maintain high level of play on a roster that is lacking talent all over it because of cap restraints.

at 1:32 a perfect deep ball to Rice. Can we stop comparing Purdy to Montana? Can Purdy throw the ball deep and on a line like that?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
You hit the nail on the head with Perfect for us comment. I think that gets lost in looking around the league at all these physically gifted QBs and want what they have. It's all about running the offense you are being asked to run and Brock has ran his offense like a Boss.

If you have a perfect situation then yes the QB doesn't need to be Mahomes or Allen. SF is not gonna have a super roster every yr. At some point you will have to pay Brock $50M per or whatever…then the roster will not be what it is currently. At that point you will need to lean on the QB to play above what he was/mask deficiencies that can't be addressed because of cash restraints….it's the NFL and that's how that s**t rolls.

A lot of teams get set into purgatory because they're forced to overpay for the Derrick Carr/Daniel Jones/Kirk cousins/JimmyGaroppolo's of the world. QBs that are capable of winning games on a top end roster BUT not good enough to win it all or maintain high level of play on a roster that is lacking talent all over it because of cap restraints.

We need a super star stud franchise QB that has the elite measurables and the elite intangibles. We have NOT won it all since we've had Steve Young. This is what the trade up for Trey was supposed to be for. If we find Trey can not be that guy we need to swing for the fences once more and go get that elite blue chip talent. I don't want anything short of a Pat Mahomes type QB. I want it all at the position and we have the coaching staff and the scouting department and the cap guy that can make it all work. We will not settle at QB and pay for a guy like Kirk Cousins and think we can beat Pat Mahomes. We tried that with Jimmy and failed. I am tired of failing to get 6

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
You hit the nail on the head with Perfect for us comment. I think that gets lost in looking around the league at all these physically gifted QBs and want what they have. It's all about running the offense you are being asked to run and Brock has ran his offense like a Boss.

If you have a perfect situation then yes the QB doesn't need to be Mahomes or Allen. SF is not gonna have a super roster every yr. At some point you will have to pay Brock $50M per or whatever…then the roster will not be what it is currently. At that point you will need to lean on the QB to play above what he was/mask deficiencies that can't be addressed because of cash restraints….it's the NFL and that's how that s**t rolls.

A lot of teams get set into purgatory because they're forced to overpay for the Derrick Carr/Daniel Jones/Kirk cousins/JimmyGaroppolo's of the world. QBs that are capable of winning games on a top end roster BUT not good enough to win it all or maintain high level of play on a roster that is lacking talent all over it because of cap restraints.

We need a super star stud franchise QB that has the elite measurables and the elite intangibles. We have NOT won it all since we've had Steve Young. This is what the trade up for Trey was supposed to be for. If we find Trey can not be that guy we need to swing for the fences once more and go get that elite blue chip talent. I don't want anything short of a Pat Mahomes type QB. I want it all at the position and we have the coaching staff and the scouting department and the cap guy that can make it all work. We will not settle at QB and pay for a guy like Kirk Cousins and think we can beat Pat Mahomes. We tried that with Jimmy and failed. I am tired of failing to get 6

Didn't you read my post, Pill? We don't need a 6'4", 240 llb. stud. Joe was 6'2" with an average arm and mobility, but was hella accurate. That's all we need for what we do. Allen or Herbert wouldn't work here. Brock does work here. He's accurate, what is needed in Shanny's offense. A distributor what Shanny insists in his quaterbacks and can pick up a first down to keep a drive alive. Not to mention, has a lighting quick release, like Joe and Jimmy. No, need for a stud, big armed Qb, here.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
And it's not really Mahomes physical traits that make him great. There are plenty guys with his size and arm strength. He's great because he has unmatched instincts and feel for the game and is deadly accurate

agreed

Nope. He is great because he has elite measurable talent, first round pedigree and the other stuff as well. Fact is he was drafted high first round for a reason. Same reason as Payton Manning. Physical traits do matter in sport

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

at 1:32 a perfect deep ball to Rice. Can we stop comparing Purdy to Montana? Can Purdy throw the ball deep and on a line like that?

The deep ball is not why Ronnie Lott was comparing him to Montana lmao

Originally posted by mayo49:
Didn't you read my post, Pill? We don't need a 6'4", 240 llb. stud. Joe was 6'2" with an average arm and mobility, but was hella accurate. That's all we need for what we do. Allen or Herbert wouldn't work here. Brock does work here. He's accurate, what is needed in Shanny's offense. A distributor what Shanny insists in his quaterbacks and can pick up a first down to keep a drive alive. No, need for a stud, big armed Qb, here.

Joe is a HOFer and second greatest QB of all time but that was in the 80s. A lot has changed since then and Mahomes is today's standard. When you have to go into a Super Bowl and get 40 points plus to come away with a win because your defense can't put the brakes on Mahomes, you need a counter. You need that guy that can match that work and overwhelm opposing defenses. Coach Shanahan and the others can't win that game. The QB has to. We need that guy to beat that guy

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

And it's not really Mahomes physical traits that make him great. There are plenty guys with his size and arm strength. He's great because he has unmatched instincts and feel for the game and is deadly accurate

agreed

Nope. He is great because he has elite measurable talent, first round pedigree and the other stuff as well. Fact is he was drafted high first round for a reason. Same reason as Payton Manning. Physical traits do matter in sport

All those measurable don't mean s**t without his natural feel for the game

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
You hit the nail on the head with Perfect for us comment. I think that gets lost in looking around the league at all these physically gifted QBs and want what they have. It's all about running the offense you are being asked to run and Brock has ran his offense like a Boss.

If you have a perfect situation then yes the QB doesn't need to be Mahomes or Allen. SF is not gonna have a super roster every yr. At some point you will have to pay Brock $50M per or whatever…then the roster will not be what it is currently. At that point you will need to lean on the QB to play above what he was/mask deficiencies that can't be addressed because of cash restraints….it's the NFL and that's how that s**t rolls.

A lot of teams get set into purgatory because they're forced to overpay for the Derrick Carr/Daniel Jones/Kirk cousins/JimmyGaroppolo's of the world. QBs that are capable of winning games on a top end roster BUT not good enough to win it all or maintain high level of play on a roster that is lacking talent all over it because of cap restraints.

We need a super star stud franchise QB that has the elite measurables and the elite intangibles. We have NOT won it all since we've had Steve Young. This is what the trade up for Trey was supposed to be for. If we find Trey can not be that guy we need to swing for the fences once more and go get that elite blue chip talent. I don't want anything short of a Pat Mahomes type QB. I want it all at the position and we have the coaching staff and the scouting department and the cap guy that can make it all work. We will not settle at QB and pay for a guy like Kirk Cousins and think we can beat Pat Mahomes. We tried that with Jimmy and failed. I am tired of failing to get 6

Unfortunately as long as Kyle is here that probably doesn't happen…he's not gonna let a guy like Mahomes/Allen do their thing. He sure as s**t isn't gonna let them develop. Thought he showed growth going after Lance, realizing that he needs more than a robot QB, who will run his scheme and nothing else. Turns out he can't get out of his own way sometimes.

I love the Brock story and he made the most of his opportunities. When he's 100% he will have a chance to maintain that play and hopefully develop more along the way. IMO I'm not sure he's gonna be the top 5 QB long-term. A guy who can mask deficiencies on a roster (which will happen at some point). Love for him to prove me wrong.

Like you, I just want a stud QB. I want the league to say, well they have *insert QB name* they will be Super Bowl favorites no matter what.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Didn't you read my post, Pill? We don't need a 6'4", 240 llb. stud. Joe was 6'2" with an average arm and mobility, but was hella accurate. That's all we need for what we do. Allen or Herbert wouldn't work here. Brock does work here. He's accurate, what is needed in Shanny's offense. A distributor what Shanny insists in his quaterbacks and can pick up a first down to keep a drive alive. Not to mention, has a lighting quick release, like Joe and Jimmy. No, need for a stud, big armed Qb, here.

Montana had a good arm and his arm was much better than Purdy's. It wasn't Marino or Elways but he could make all the throws with ease. Stop comparing Purdy to Montana mayo

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Nope. He is great because he has elite measurable talent, first round pedigree and the other stuff as well. Fact is he was drafted high first round for a reason. Same reason as Payton Manning. Physical traits do matter in sport

Anyone saying they don't is full of it, especially today. This isn't 1980…players are elite specimens. They're bigger stronger and faster than ever before. All that s**t matters.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Didn't you read my post, Pill? We don't need a 6'4", 240 llb. stud. Joe was 6'2" with an average arm and mobility, but was hella accurate. That's all we need for what we do. Allen or Herbert wouldn't work here. Brock does work here. He's accurate, what is needed in Shanny's offense. A distributor what Shanny insists in his quaterbacks and can pick up a first down to keep a drive alive. No, need for a stud, big armed Qb, here.

Joe is a HOFer and second greatest QB of all time but that was in the 80s. A lot has changed since then and Mahomes is today's standard. When you have to go into a Super Bowl and get 40 points plus to come away with a win because your defense can't put the brakes on Mahomes, you need a counter. You need that guy that can match that work and overwhelm opposing defenses. Coach Shanahan and the others can't win that game. The QB has to. We need that guy to beat that guy

Who's coping who? Everyone is trying to model their game after the Niners. Texans and Miami for example. The Bills, Cincy and Chargers are the new wave offenses, I agree, with big and big arm Qb's. But, who has been winning Super Bowls lately? Mahomes and the Chiefs and the Niners are the model now. Mahomes has a great arm and is a crafty thrower, not 6'4", 250. Big arms don't mean s**t, in todays NFL. Look at who is going to be the #1 pick in the draft this year. Bryce Young, 6'10" 205. You can win with a lot of different styles, but the point is, can you execute your offense. Doesn't matter how big or small you are.