Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Well he got obliterated by the Bucs a few years back. What's scary though is Mahomes Andy Reid. They're always evolving, always adapting. They turned that vaunted Philly D into a joke. Javon Hargrave who?

They got demolished because the OL was totally rebuilt like two weeks before the SB. I don't think a single guy that started the year was playing the same position on the OL at the Super Bowl.

I don't even think it's Mahomes is in a league of his own. Allen is a fixing unit. He needs more than Diggs and like Brock f**ked up his UCL late last yr. As long as he's on that team they will always be in discussions. Same with Burrow. I think Herbert is a totally stud as well, the coaching staff stinks over there and they can't catch a break with injuries. God can you imagine Herbert in SF

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Well he got obliterated by the Bucs a few years back. What's scary though is Mahomes + Andy Reid. They're always evolving, always adapting. They turned that vaunted Philly D into a joke. Javon Hargrave who?

They got demolished because the OL was totally rebuilt like two weeks before the SB. I don't think a single guy that started the year was playing the same position on the OL at the Super Bowl.

I don't even think it's Mahomes is in a league of his own. Allen is a fixing unit. He needs more than Diggs and like Brock f**ked up his UCL late last yr. As long as he's on that team they will always be in discussions. Same with Burrow. I think Herbert is a totally stud as well, the coaching staff stinks over there and they can't catch a break with injuries. God can you imagine Herbert in SF

Now an hour or so ago you talk about Brock needing all stars around him, great play caller and things perfect. You don't believe he can carry a team.

You now are talking about Allen needing more than Diggs. Herbert coaching staff stinking And injuries.

So they too need a perfect situation. Imagine that

It's like you don't even pay attention to what you even say from post to post. No self awareness whatsoever

Originally posted by BOI49er:
OK, wrong game then. But that was 34 yards in the air, and we just saw on the previous clip he threw 44 air yards, so it wasn't arms strength.

Arm strength has nothing to do with how deep downfield you can throw it…all these NFL QBs can throw the ball 50 yards in the air. It's the velocity at which you can do it at. He under-threw Kittle and floated that s**t like a rainbow. Still got there BUT this is the NFL when guys have 4.4 speed in the secondary.

His arm talent is lacking. It will always be that way… to compensate. He's gotta be quicker decision wise and make more anticipatory throws. That what guys like manning and Brees did at an elite level. It's not about seeing the guy open then throwing it for them. It's getting the ball there while they're getting open…in stride. Margin of error is much smaller with an arm like that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Arm strength has nothing to do with how deep downfield you can throw it…all these NFL QBs can throw the ball 50 yards in the air. It's the velocity at which you can do it at. He under-threw Kittle and floated that s**t like a rainbow. Still got there BUT this is the NFL when guys have 4.4 speed in the secondary.

His arm talent is lacking. It will always be that way… to compensate. He's gotta be quicker decision wise and make more anticipatory throws. That what guys like manning and Brees did at an elite level. It's not about seeing the guy open then throwing it for them. It's getting the ball there while they're getting open…in stride. Margin of error is much smaller with an arm like that.

look all NFL QBs have to be anticipatory throwers.. why do you think Zach Wilson with all the arm talent on earth, can't do it.. look at CK, he had arm talent for days had the 98 mph fastball, he couldn't throw with touch for jack, throwing hard is overrated, joe montana was the goat of this franchise, didn't have a cannon, far from it. he just put it on ppl.

Originally posted by krizay:
Now an hour or so ago you talk about Brock needing all stars around him, great play caller and things perfect. You don't believe he can carry a team.

You now are talking about Allen needing more than Diggs. Herbert coaching staff stinking And injuries.

So they too need a perfect situation. Imagine that

It's like you don't even pay attention to what you even say from post to post. No self awareness whatsoever

Bahahaha embellishing what I said typical.

yeah Allen needs more than one guy that can get open. Shocking I know. Play calling matters a f**k ton…guys like Herbert and Allen gotta run around and thread the needle, meanwhile guys like Brock and Jimmy got Deebo/Kittle wide open and trucking dudes. Now we got CMC who's a guaranteed 7+ yards on every RB screen or slant matched up on a LBer.

I watch more of the Bills stuff based on where I live. So I have a better idea of how that offense looks than LA. Dudes are not as open in Buffalo as they are in SF. That's a fact.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
look all NFL QBs have to be anticipatory throwers.. why do you think Zach Wilson with all the arm talent on earth, can't do it.. look at CK, he had arm talent for days had the 98 mph fastball, he couldn't throw with touch for jack, throwing hard is overrated, joe montana was the goat of this franchise, didn't have a cannon, far from it. he just put it on ppl.

Arm talent matters regardless of what you're trying to rebuttal. It's the NFL and you have guys with 4.4 speed all over the backend. you can't toss lollipops out there. Just ask guys like Nathan Peterman, Christian Ponder, Chad Pennington etc.

Yes you need to throw with anticipation. You need to be even better at that s**t when you don't have a top end arm. Joe was amazing at that and the NFL was much different back then. Joe also had the GOAT to throw to (and others) and one of the best play callers of all time.

look I'm not saying Brock has a noodle arm, he's not Mullens level. I'm saying one thing he can't do is rely on his arm talent (like others) that play to Kittle (and couple others) are proof of that. He's gonna have to be like Brees to play at a high level for the long-term. Hopefully that's the case.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
Now an hour or so ago you talk about Brock needing all stars around him, great play caller and things perfect. You don't believe he can carry a team.

You now are talking about Allen needing more than Diggs. Herbert coaching staff stinking And injuries.

So they too need a perfect situation. Imagine that

It's like you don't even pay attention to what you even say from post to post. No self awareness whatsoever

Bahahaha embellishing what I said typical.

yeah Allen needs more than one guy that can get open. Shocking I know. Play calling matters a f**k ton…guys like Herbert and Allen gotta run around and thread the needle, meanwhile guys like Brock and Jimmy got Deebo/Kittle wide open and trucking dudes. Now we got CMC who's a guaranteed 7+ yards on every RB screen or slant matched up on a LBer.

I watch more of the Bills stuff based on where I live. So I have a better idea of how that offense looks than LA. Dudes are not as open in Buffalo as they are in SF. That's a fact.

Allen is a stud. While no, he doesnt need everything perfect, he definitely doesnt have the weapons we have here. Diggs is a star. Gabriel Davis is a decent #2. But they have had zero running game the entirety of his career, and never had a tight end safety outlet. Having one star receiver and the rest of the skill positions being meh is not a great situation.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Allen is a stud. While no, he doesnt need everything perfect, he definitely doesnt have the weapons we have here. Diggs is a star. Gabriel Davis is a decent #2. But they have had zero running game the entirety of his career, and never had a tight end safety outlet. Having one star receiver and the rest of the skill positions being meh is not a great situation.

are you not familiar with Dawson Knox

two expound on this.. Bills can run it.. YPA is ranked #2 in NFL
they choose not to 15th in rush attempts

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Allen is a stud. While no, he doesnt need everything perfect, he definitely doesnt have the weapons we have here. Diggs is a star. Gabriel Davis is a decent #2. But they have had zero running game the entirety of his career, and never had a tight end safety outlet. Having one star receiver and the rest of the skill positions being meh is not a great situation.

Yeah IMO Davis isn't a WR2. He's more of a deep threat WR3 guy. They've had random slot dudes and Knox is decent. Like you said zero run game though. Kyle helps our QBs so much in the scheme game as well. I'll give him that, he will get the most out his QBs. He's not into developing them though lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bahahaha embellishing what I said typical.

yeah Allen needs more than one guy that can get open. Shocking I know. Play calling matters a f**k ton…guys like Herbert and Allen gotta run around and thread the needle, meanwhile guys like Brock and Jimmy got Deebo/Kittle wide open and trucking dudes. Now we got CMC who's a guaranteed 7+ yards on every RB screen or slant matched up on a LBer.

I watch more of the Bills stuff based on where I live. So I have a better idea of how that offense looks than LA. Dudes are not as open in Buffalo as they are in SF. That's a fact.

Lol I understand play calling matters. An hour or so ago I wasn't sure you did because you made it seem like Brock needed a great play caller as if players like Josh or Herbert doesn't.

The fact that our play caller does scheme WRs open furthers my point that he doesn't need all stars around him. His coach will get them open. Now I'm not saying Brock could go to battle with the likes of Jakobi Myers or Kendrick Bourne but he doesn't need all stars with Kyle. At least not a team full of them

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bahahaha embellishing what I said typical.

yeah Allen needs more than one guy that can get open. Shocking I know. Play calling matters a f**k ton…guys like Herbert and Allen gotta run around and thread the needle, meanwhile guys like Brock and Jimmy got Deebo/Kittle wide open and trucking dudes. Now we got CMC who's a guaranteed 7+ yards on every RB screen or slant matched up on a LBer.

I watch more of the Bills stuff based on where I live. So I have a better idea of how that offense looks than LA. Dudes are not as open in Buffalo as they are in SF. That's a fact.

Lol I understand play calling matters. An hour or so ago I wasn't sure you did because you made it seem like Brock needed a great play caller as if players like Josh or Herbert doesn't.

The fact that our play caller does scheme WRs open furthers my point that he doesn't need all stars around him. His coach will get them open. Now I'm not saying Brock could go to battle with the likes of Jakobi Myers or Kendrick Bourne but he doesn't need all stars with Kyle. At least not a team full of them

We don't know that, and there's really only one way to tell.

Any new news, on a possible Trey trade? It can still happen, up until a prospective trade partner possibly is on the clock, if not sooner. Any new news from Schefty or the NFL Network guys? I want something to happen Thursday, if we get a nice package. Though risky because we still don't know if Brock will be ready to start the season.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
are you not familiar with Dawson Knox

two expound on this.. Bills can run it.. YPA is ranked #2 in NFL
they choose not to 15th in rush attempts

Lol half their rushing yards are from Allen running around and scrambling. They are not a good running team to ask any Bills fan who watches them religiously. Knox is a fine RZ TE. He's not close to an elite TE that's mismatch. Kittle is on another level. Their WR group stinks and their play calling overall is nothing special at all.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah IMO Davis isn't a WR2. He's more of a deep threat WR3 guy. They've had random slot dudes and Knox is decent. Like you said zero run game though. Kyle helps our QBs so much in the scheme game as well. I'll give him that, he will get the most out his QBs. He's not into developing them though lol.

Zero run game because Josh decides to P Instead of R'ing. Singletary averaged 4.6 YPC, COOK 5.7 and Moss 5.4

While I don't watch alot of Bills gamed. My BIL and Boss are both huge Bills fans. They b***h about the same thing. Them not running it. From the games I watched. Allen morphed into Rodgers this season and started doing more RPOs from what I could tell.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bahahaha embellishing what I said typical.

yeah Allen needs more than one guy that can get open. Shocking I know. Play calling matters a f**k ton…guys like Herbert and Allen gotta run around and thread the needle, meanwhile guys like Brock and Jimmy got Deebo/Kittle wide open and trucking dudes. Now we got CMC who's a guaranteed 7+ yards on every RB screen or slant matched up on a LBer.

I watch more of the Bills stuff based on where I live. So I have a better idea of how that offense looks than LA. Dudes are not as open in Buffalo as they are in SF. That's a fact.

Lol I understand play calling matters. An hour or so ago I wasn't sure you did because you made it seem like Brock needed a great play caller as if players like Josh or Herbert doesn't.

The fact that our play caller does scheme WRs open furthers my point that he doesn't need all stars around him. His coach will get them open. Now I'm not saying Brock could go to battle with the likes of Jakobi Myers or Kendrick Bourne but he doesn't need all stars with Kyle IMO At least not a team full of them

We don't know that, and there's really only one way to tell.

FTFY