Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by krizay:
Lol I understand play calling matters. An hour or so ago I wasn't sure you did because you made it seem like Brock needed a great play caller as if players like Josh or Herbert doesn't.

The fact that our play caller does scheme WRs open furthers my point that he doesn't need all stars around him. His coach will get them open. Now I'm not saying Brock could go to battle with the likes of Jakobi Myers or Kendrick Bourne but he doesn't need all stars with Kyle. At least not a team full of them

I'm saying Brock currently has an amazing play caller while the others don't and they're still putting up insane numbers and are the main reason they win games…we were winning games with Jimmy before he got hurt all the same.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
look all NFL QBs have to be anticipatory throwers.. why do you think Zach Wilson with all the arm talent on earth, can't do it.. look at CK, he had arm talent for days had the 98 mph fastball, he couldn't throw with touch for jack, throwing hard is overrated, joe montana was the goat of this franchise, didn't have a cannon, far from it. he just put it on ppl.

Arm talent matters regardless of what you're trying to rebuttal. It's the NFL and you have guys with 4.4 speed all over the backend. you can't toss lollipops out there. Just ask guys like Nathan Peterman, Christian Ponder, Chad Pennington etc.

Yes you need to throw with anticipation. You need to be even better at that s**t when you don't have a top end arm. Joe was amazing at that and the NFL was much different back then. Joe also had the GOAT to throw to (and others) and one of the best play callers of all time.

look I'm not saying Brock has a noodle arm, he's not Mullens level. I'm saying one thing he can't do is rely on his arm talent (like others) that play to Kittle (and couple others) are proof of that. He's gonna have to be like Brees to play at a high level for the long-term. Hopefully that's the case.

I agree because the odds of finding another Montana are slim to none. Joe was the perfect mix of greatness.... but a guy with a cannon ...it helps compensate when he makes a mistake or doesn't read as fast.

Also in almost every game Purdy had an INT dropped by the defense. Its not like hes perfection out of the gate either is all I'm saying.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol half their rushing yards are from Allen running around and scrambling. They are not a good running team to ask any Bills fan who watches them religiously. Knox is a fine RZ TE. He's not close to an elite TE that's mismatch. Kittle is on another level. Their WR group stinks and their play calling overall is nothing special at all.

yeah they don't care about running, it's put it all on JA, and it's not a good idea, you have Jim Kelly, the best Bills QB of all time, coming out this offseason and saying 'Josh Allen can't do everything by himself'.

here is Kelly speaking: "I just didn't think we used him enough (RB Devin Singletary). But you know what? When you've got a guy as good as Josh Allen, you tend to probably get a little greedy and want to use him more than you probably should"

this pertains to TL also, look at the ARZ game, sometimes you want to see what they can do as a runner or athlete, just let him manage the offense, don't ask TL to be the offense by himself

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bahahaha embellishing what I said typical.

lol pot meet kettle.

you did it THREE!!! times to my comments yesterday.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I agree because the odds of finding another Montana are slim to none. Joe was the perfect mix of greatness.... but a guy with a cannon ...it helps compensate when he makes a mistake or doesn't read as fast.

Also in almost every game Purdy had an INT dropped by the defense. Its not like hes perfection out of the gate either is all I'm saying.

Don't tell that to anyone in here…you will be labeled a hater lol. No room to talk about that kind of stuff. You're either all in or all out…there's no wait and see. You MUST toss all your stock into Brock regardless of there being some 🤨 moments. Also weren't not allowed to develop young QBs. Brock better not let those INTs happen or he's gone all the same.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The Joe throw you reference in the video is 45 yards in the air. From our 25 to their 30. Any QB can make that throw dude lmao

But not just any QB is gonna beat Pat Mahomes

He lost to the Colts. Malik Willis took him to OT. You are out of your mind if you think the top offense and defense (which was us with Brock) could not beat the Chiefs

They got the ring and we didn't. We ain't beat Pat Mahomes yet and they smoked us in Levi's just this past season. There is nothing to say we were gonna beat KC when we couldn't even protect our 3rd and 4th string QBs vs PHI. PHI had the 2nd best defense and got 40 pts hung on them so that tells me we were gonna be in a track meet vs Mahomes and we have to be sure we have that guy to beat that guy. That is what I was wanted to see if Purdy could do at season's end. He didn't due to injury so now we are back at the drawing board waiting on him to become whole again, waiting on Trey to develop and Darnold to surprise us

Can't beat Mahomes with #1 offense and #1 defense. You guys might as well go be Chiefs fans lol

No, that just shows how important having an elite QB is. Elite QB > everything else.

Never said it's not important. You're saying we would never ever in a million years beat Mahomes when we had the best offense and defense with Brock lol

I'm not saying that lol. Just dipping my toe into this side argument. We had the better QB from 1992 through 1995 but Dallas won three Super Bowls and we only got one.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Clearly he doesn't have Trey Lance arm strength. But then you won't see Purdy under throw a wide open streak due to poor timing.

But really that play was a failure more because of Purdy failing to see the defender.

I mean I wouldn't call it wide open…but Kittle had him beat for an easy TD

Miss No. 4. pic.twitter.com/0vXg7W1vH5

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) January 3, 2023

This throw is short. Bad footwork, looked like Jimmy on that play

Miss No. 7. pic.twitter.com/8JRvK8sri3

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) January 3, 2023

There's by far more good than bad..but there is some questionable stuff over just 170 passes.

The ratio of good stuff to bad stuff is higher than anyone who has been on the roster since Jeff Garcia.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bahahaha embellishing what I said typical.

lol pot meet kettle.

you did it THREE!!! times to my comments yesterday.

Dude, you do it to yourself all the damn time…then get all bent out of shape when someone points it out. You can NEVER be wrong or at fault. How dare any of us point it out.

it's Friday I don't need to have a pissing match with you today…you want to talk football, cool. If not go bother someone that cares.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The ratio of good stuff to bad stuff is higher than anyone who has been on the roster since Jeff Garcia.

That's fine. I would say that ratio was pretty similar to Jimmy in 2017 with a much worse roster…but that's all subjective debatable stuff. Point still stands that he's got his own questionable moments and issues. Which way will it go this yr? Maintain top end play or will teams start to figure out stuff and eventually thinks come back to the mean? No one knows and the injury doesn't help.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
At this point NY I think you've made your point crystal clear 😂

lol s**t gives me early Jimmy G vibes all over again. I don't dislike BCB in the slightest…not sure he's a top 5 dude in the long-term though. I just need to see it longer, that's all. If he turns into that. You won't find a happier 49er fan than me

Love your posts and our conversations, but have to be honest, as someone with no dog in this fight, if you would be this measured if Lance performed the way Purdy did last year.
Happy belated b day btw and have fun in Jamaica 🇯🇲

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
Lol I understand play calling matters. An hour or so ago I wasn't sure you did because you made it seem like Brock needed a great play caller as if players like Josh or Herbert doesn't.

The fact that our play caller does scheme WRs open furthers my point that he doesn't need all stars around him. His coach will get them open. Now I'm not saying Brock could go to battle with the likes of Jakobi Myers or Kendrick Bourne but he doesn't need all stars with Kyle. At least not a team full of them

I'm saying Brock currently has an amazing play caller while the others don't and they're still putting up insane numbers and are the main reason they win games…we were winning games with Jimmy before he got hurt all the same.

Why can't we win games with Trey Lance?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The ratio of good stuff to bad stuff is higher than anyone who has been on the roster since Jeff Garcia.

That's fine. I would say that ratio was pretty similar to Jimmy in 2017 with a much worse roster…but that's all subjective debatable stuff. Point still stands that he's got his own questionable moments and issues. Which way will it go this yr? Maintain top end play or will teams start to figure out stuff and eventually thinks come back to the mean? No one knows and the injury doesn't help.

it's to early to hypothesize about how it will go this year. will he play?

I look forward to the NFL draft, who do we move up for, and how do Trey and Sam look this summer. BP can let us know when he is back only then is he in the picture for playing football.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The ratio of good stuff to bad stuff is higher than anyone who has been on the roster since Jeff Garcia.

That's fine. I would say that ratio was pretty similar to Jimmy in 2017 with a much worse roster…but that's all subjective debatable stuff. Point still stands that he's got his own questionable moments and issues. Which way will it go this yr? Maintain top end play or will teams start to figure out stuff and eventually thinks come back to the mean? No one knows and the injury doesn't help.

Still, there was a big difference between Jimmy in 2017 and Brock last year: Brock didn't predetermine where he was throwing all the time, instead reacting to the defense.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
Lol I understand play calling matters. An hour or so ago I wasn't sure you did because you made it seem like Brock needed a great play caller as if players like Josh or Herbert doesn't.

The fact that our play caller does scheme WRs open furthers my point that he doesn't need all stars around him. His coach will get them open. Now I'm not saying Brock could go to battle with the likes of Jakobi Myers or Kendrick Bourne but he doesn't need all stars with Kyle. At least not a team full of them

I'm saying Brock currently has an amazing play caller while the others don't and they're still putting up insane numbers and are the main reason they win games…we were winning games with Jimmy before he got hurt all the same.

Why can't we win games with Trey Lance?

We had major injuries in the Cardinal game. The Bears game he wasn't the only one who played poorly. Deebo doesn't fumble, we win. The Seahawks game we were driving. In short, it's (site decorum) to say, "We can't win with Lance" as there hasn't been a reasonable sample size to know.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
At this point NY I think you've made your point crystal clear 😂

lol s**t gives me early Jimmy G vibes all over again. I don't dislike BCB in the slightest…not sure he's a top 5 dude in the long-term though. I just need to see it longer, that's all. If he turns into that. You won't find a happier 49er fan than me

Love your posts and our conversations, but have to be honest, as someone with no dog in this fight, if you would be this measured if Lance performed the way Purdy did last year.
Happy belated b day btw and have fun in Jamaica 🇯🇲

To be fair if Lance played that well, he has physical tools Brock doesn't, so the excitement would be entirely justified.

Of course Brock still played great and there's nothing that can diminish that. Worst case scenario he's a solid game manager who makes a few plays here and there. He will be better than Heinicke, worst case.