Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Why? You confuse me sometimes.

Moving him makes zero sense. I agree with you

Moving your son makes perfect sense from an objective professional football business perspective, but 0.00000000000% sense if you cling to a subjective faith in the unproven productivity of a poorly performing asset:

[1] Cut Your Losses - Shanalynch was forced by ownership to draft TL, that is the only scenario that makes sense, they knew they had to play him a sufficient amount to expose the ruse pick for what it is, and to demonstrate to the world the folly of their unforced error, a total blunder by ownership void of football acumen... prudent business managers ruthlessly cut their under performing assets and TL is no exception... he must must cut loose to free resources

Stopped reading right there. It's verifiably false according to the only pieces of actual evidence available (as opposed to blind speculation from "sources"). I'd list the things I'm 99% you believe, things that lack any evidence at all but just fit nicely into a stQry, which is why peQple believe these things, but it's against the rules to list them here. HQwever, I can be Quite certain because you seem to clearly believe sQmething simply because it has weak explanatQry power rather than because the EVIDENCE suppQrts it, willfully ignQring Qther explanations which fit the evidence better because they dQn't have as exciting and cQntrQversial a stQry as the Qne you prefer.

There is no evidence Kyle was forced to draft anyone, and all the actual evidence suggests he chose Lance because of what Josh Allen and Mahomes did to us. Most likely due to a desire to incorporate the QB run into his offense to achieve "positionless football," and there's a chance he was convinced by Lynch, after Lynch probably said, "I told you so" about Mahomes, but that's... SPECULATION, so I'm not going to sit here and state it as fact.

If you listen to Kyles interview it does sound like he needed to be convinced. I don't think he was forced, but it doesn't seem like they were all in agreeance from the start. Come draft day though they all agreed on Trey

Oh, you mean the Kyle who sent John Lynch a highlight reel cut up of Lance in winter? If you listen to the interviews, he liked all three of the guys and was deciding until a week before the draft.

Yes that Kyle. The one who was convinced by Trey the person more than Trey the football player. He wasn't sold on Trey, it took some time

"the more I got to know the guy, the more I got to find out some stuff about him, the more I believed in what I didn't see and what I believe we will see"

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Why? You confuse me sometimes.

Moving him makes zero sense. I agree with you

Moving your son makes perfect sense from an objective professional football business perspective, but 0.00000000000% sense if you cling to a subjective faith in the unproven productivity of a poorly performing asset:

[1] Cut Your Losses - Shanalynch was forced by ownership to draft TL, that is the only scenario that makes sense, they knew they had to play him a sufficient amount to expose the ruse pick for what it is, and to demonstrate to the world the folly of their unforced error, a total blunder by ownership void of football acumen... prudent business managers ruthlessly cut their under performing assets and TL is no exception... he must must cut loose to free resources

Stopped reading right there. It's verifiably false according to the only pieces of actual evidence available (as opposed to blind speculation from "sources"). I'd list the things I'm 99% you believe, things that lack any evidence at all but just fit nicely into a stQry, which is why peQple believe these things, but it's against the rules to list them here. HQwever, I can be Quite certain because you seem to clearly believe sQmething simply because it has weak explanatQry power rather than because the EVIDENCE suppQrts it, willfully ignQring Qther explanations which fit the evidence better because they dQn't have as exciting and cQntrQversial a stQry as the Qne you prefer.

There is no evidence Kyle was forced to draft anyone, and all the actual evidence suggests he chose Lance because of what Josh Allen and Mahomes did to us. Most likely due to a desire to incorporate the QB run into his offense to achieve "positionless football," and there's a chance he was convinced by Lynch, after Lynch probably said, "I told you so" about Mahomes, but that's... SPECULATION, so I'm not going to sit here and state it as fact.

If you listen to Kyles interview it does sound like he needed to be convinced. I don't think he was forced, but it doesn't seem like they were all in agreeance from the start. Come draft day though they all agreed on Trey

Oh, you mean the Kyle who sent John Lynch a highlight reel cut up of Lance in winter? If you listen to the interviews, he liked all three of the guys and was deciding until a week before the draft.

Yes that Kyle. The one who was convinced by Trey the person more than Trey the football player. He wasn't sold on Trey, it took some time

"the more I got to know the guy, the more I got to find out some stuff about him, the more I believed in what I didn't see and what I believe we will see"

There you go again pointing out one piece of the puzzle and ignoring the rest. You ignored the part where he made a cutup video of Trey and sent it to Lynch. It's more complicated than your apparent argument here. He liked all three. All three had strengths and all three had weaknesses.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Why? You confuse me sometimes.

Moving him makes zero sense. I agree with you

Moving your son makes perfect sense from an objective professional football business perspective, but 0.00000000000% sense if you cling to a subjective faith in the unproven productivity of a poorly performing asset:

[1] Cut Your Losses - Shanalynch was forced by ownership to draft TL, that is the only scenario that makes sense, they knew they had to play him a sufficient amount to expose the ruse pick for what it is, and to demonstrate to the world the folly of their unforced error, a total blunder by ownership void of football acumen... prudent business managers ruthlessly cut their under performing assets and TL is no exception... he must must cut loose to free resources

Stopped reading right there. It's verifiably false according to the only pieces of actual evidence available (as opposed to blind speculation from "sources"). I'd list the things I'm 99% you believe, things that lack any evidence at all but just fit nicely into a stQry, which is why peQple believe these things, but it's against the rules to list them here. HQwever, I can be Quite certain because you seem to clearly believe sQmething simply because it has weak explanatQry power rather than because the EVIDENCE suppQrts it, willfully ignQring Qther explanations which fit the evidence better because they dQn't have as exciting and cQntrQversial a stQry as the Qne you prefer.

There is no evidence Kyle was forced to draft anyone, and all the actual evidence suggests he chose Lance because of what Josh Allen and Mahomes did to us. Most likely due to a desire to incorporate the QB run into his offense to achieve "positionless football," and there's a chance he was convinced by Lynch, after Lynch probably said, "I told you so" about Mahomes, but that's... SPECULATION, so I'm not going to sit here and state it as fact.

If you listen to Kyles interview it does sound like he needed to be convinced. I don't think he was forced, but it doesn't seem like they were all in agreeance from the start. Come draft day though they all agreed on Trey

Oh, you mean the Kyle who sent John Lynch a highlight reel cut up of Lance in winter? If you listen to the interviews, he liked all three of the guys and was deciding until a week before the draft.

Yes that Kyle. The one who was convinced by Trey the person more than Trey the football player. He wasn't sold on Trey, it took some time

"the more I got to know the guy, the more I got to find out some stuff about him, the more I believed in what I didn't see and what I believe we will see"

There you go again pointing out one piece of the puzzle and ignoring the rest. You ignored the part where he made a cutup video of Trey and sent it to Lynch. It's more complicated than your apparent argument here. He liked all three. All three had strengths and all three had weaknesses.

The cut up video is cool. Trey was intriguing but when he's saying he was going to see what he didn't see, that implies he didn't see enough. Trey the person convinced him

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
There you go again pointing out one piece of the puzzle and ignoring the rest. You ignored the part where he made a cutup video of Trey and sent it to Lynch. It's more complicated than your apparent argument here. He liked all three. All three had strengths and all three had weaknesses.

Dude, he's the most bias poster in here. Don't waste your time arguing with nonsense.

he hates Trey yet he's in this thread more than anyone lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
There you go again pointing out one piece of the puzzle and ignoring the rest. You ignored the part where he made a cutup video of Trey and sent it to Lynch. It's more complicated than your apparent argument here. He liked all three. All three had strengths and all three had weaknesses.

Dude, he's the most bias poster in here. Don't waste your time arguing with nonsense.

he hates Trey yet he's in this thread more than anyone lol.

You mean 604 post is more than your 5,400??

You mean you're in here more than anyone defending every little negative thing said about Trey.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Give us 5 QBs that had their first 8 games on a team with this much talent surrounding them. Not many have played with a skill group like CMC, Kittle, Deebo, and Aiyuk with a coach like Kyle calling the plays. Only one other QB has really.

And yet he came in and played better than a solid seasoned vet, increasing the ppg to a league leading 32. And he didn't just lean on the players, he was making great plays on his own, consistently. It wasn't just some rookie distributing the ball. To add onto that, Kyles offense is usually takes guys quite a bit of time to understand, this dude just comes in like he's been in the league and this offense for years.

No matter how you slice it, it was impressive and unprecedented and I'd wager most GMs would give up a first round pick, some teams would give up multiple 1s, for him. His elbow being the only thing that might makes some teams hesitant on pulling the trigger.

I honestly have no idea if his elbow will be the same, or if 8 games was a flash-in-the-pan aberration, but when teams look for franchise QBs, they'll take chances. Sometimes they bet on raw talent with less than stellar college tape. Sometimes they'll bet on stellar college tape with less than ideal measurements. Never would a 2nd year QB that played like a top 5 QB over half a season worth of games his rookie campaign ever be available, but if you had such a guy with NFL tape like that, any team looking for a franchise QB would sell the farm for that risk. The reward is just too great not to swing for the fences and greater risks are gambled in the top ten picks of every draft.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
You mean 604 post is more than your 5,400??

You mean you're in here more than anyone defending every little negative thing said about Trey.

I have 100K posts lol. I post more in EVERY thread, so save me the stat count s**t, bud.

kid hates lance and does nothing but bash him in here. What's the point in being JUST negative about a player with so little data? He's made it pretty clear he knows nothing about the position… I've never seen so many people be negative towards a player that does everything the right way, but has simply not been healthy enough to play meaningful football/develop.

at least you openly say you're biased about Lance. I can respect that…even though I don't take anything you say towards him seriously (how could anyone?)

Instead of supporting the idea of having more than one good QB on this team and wanting him to get a chance to fail (while the other QB gets better)…ya'll want to ship him off for a bag of chips. Ya'll are some of the most childish fans in sports imo (and I live in NY). Half the s**t said in here is a joke.

NY, I need some goddamn, 49ers draft news.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
You mean 604 post is more than your 5,400??

You mean you're in here more than anyone defending every little negative thing said about Trey.

I have 100K posts lol. I post more in EVERY thread, so save me the stat count s**t, bud.

kid hates lance and does nothing but bash him in here. What's the point in being JUST negative about a player with so little data? He's made it pretty clear he knows nothing about the position… I've never seen so many people be negative towards a player that does everything the right way, but has simply not been healthy enough to play meaningful football/develop.

at least you openly say you're biased about Lance. I can respect that…even though I don't take anything you say towards him seriously (how could anyone?)

Instead of supporting the idea of having more than one good QB on this team and wanting him to get a chance to fail (while the other QB gets better)…ya'll want to ship him off for a bag of chips. Ya'll are some of the most childish fans in sports imo (and I live in NY). Half the s**t said in here is a joke.

Consider this and your behavior in the Purdy thread. How are you to be taken seriously? You lessen your own credibility. Just something you may want to consider.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Consider this and your behavior in the Purdy thread. How are you to be taken seriously? You lessen your own credibility. Just something you may want to consider.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Why? You confuse me sometimes.

Moving him makes zero sense. I agree with you

Moving your son makes perfect sense from an objective professional football business perspective, but 0.00000000000% sense if you cling to a subjective faith in the unproven productivity of a poorly performing asset:

[1] Cut Your Losses - Shanalynch was forced by ownership to draft TL, that is the only scenario that makes sense, they knew they had to play him a sufficient amount to expose the ruse pick for what it is, and to demonstrate to the world the folly of their unforced error, a total blunder by ownership void of football acumen... prudent business managers ruthlessly cut their under performing assets and TL is no exception... he must must cut loose to free resources

Stopped reading right there. It's verifiably false according to the only pieces of actual evidence available (as opposed to blind speculation from "sources"). I'd list the things I'm 99% you believe, things that lack any evidence at all but just fit nicely into a stQry, which is why peQple believe these things, but it's against the rules to list them here. HQwever, I can be Quite certain because you seem to clearly believe sQmething simply because it has weak explanatQry power rather than because the EVIDENCE suppQrts it, willfully ignQring Qther explanations which fit the evidence better because they dQn't have as exciting and cQntrQversial a stQry as the Qne you prefer.

There is no evidence Kyle was forced to draft anyone, and all the actual evidence suggests he chose Lance because of what Josh Allen and Mahomes did to us. Most likely due to a desire to incorporate the QB run into his offense to achieve "positionless football," and there's a chance he was convinced by Lynch, after Lynch probably said, "I told you so" about Mahomes, but that's... SPECULATION, so I'm not going to sit here and state it as fact.

If you listen to Kyles interview it does sound like he needed to be convinced. I don't think he was forced, but it doesn't seem like they were all in agreeance from the start. Come draft day though they all agreed on Trey

Oh, you mean the Kyle who sent John Lynch a highlight reel cut up of Lance in winter? If you listen to the interviews, he liked all three of the guys and was deciding until a week before the draft.

Yes that Kyle. The one who was convinced by Trey the person more than Trey the football player. He wasn't sold on Trey, it took some time

"the more I got to know the guy, the more I got to find out some stuff about him, the more I believed in what I didn't see and what I believe we will see"

There you go again pointing out one piece of the puzzle and ignoring the rest. You ignored the part where he made a cutup video of Trey and sent it to Lynch. It's more complicated than your apparent argument here. He liked all three. All three had strengths and all three had weaknesses.

The cut up video is cool. Trey was intriguing but when he's saying he was going to see what he didn't see, that implies he didn't see enough. Trey the person convinced him

That at least makes me feel better about my analysis of him. I've said it a bunch "idk what they saw on his film that made hem think he would be good At playing qb on this level".

they did get to meet and talk with Trey, his teammates, and his coaches. Which is helpful but sometimes you have to be careful with that stuff because programs will say whatever if it means making their program look good with a high first round pick.

trey is definitely talented, no doubt about that. I just never understood what they saw on film. That's where I struggle with getting behind me.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
You mean 604 post is more than your 5,400??

You mean you're in here more than anyone defending every little negative thing said about Trey.

I have 100K posts lol. I post more in EVERY thread, so save me the stat count s**t, bud.

kid hates lance and does nothing but bash him in here. What's the point in being JUST negative about a player with so little data? He's made it pretty clear he knows nothing about the position… I've never seen so many people be negative towards a player that does everything the right way, but has simply not been healthy enough to play meaningful football/develop.

at least you openly say you're biased about Lance. I can respect that…even though I don't take anything you say towards him seriously (how could anyone?)

Instead of supporting the idea of having more than one good QB on this team and wanting him to get a chance to fail (while the other QB gets better)…ya'll want to ship him off for a bag of chips. Ya'll are some of the most childish fans in sports imo (and I live in NY). Half the s**t said in here is a joke.

Consider this and your behavior in the Purdy thread. How are you to be taken seriously? You lessen your own credibility. Just something you may want to consider.

Yep.

I think I would do the proposed Texans trade (picks 35, 65, 73). Anything less than that I'd rather hang onto trey

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I think I would do the proposed Texans trade (picks 35, 65, 73). Anything less than that I'd rather hang onto trey

If we get offered this... MAN!!!!

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

I think I would do the proposed Texans trade (picks 35, 65, 73). Anything less than that I'd rather hang onto trey

If we get offered this... MAN!!!!

Demecos thanks to Kyle