Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by BOI49er:
When we moved up, I was sure it was for Mac Jones. It just fit the WCO, where you don't need a huge arm, but quick headwork and great accuracy for RAC. The fans, and I believe Lynch, all screamed bloody murder for not shooting higher for "traits", Kyle was out on a limb by himself and quite vulnerable personnally if it didn't work, and he did see the advantage of athleticism in his quarterback, so he relented and surprised and delighted Lynch when he asked him if he was ready to draft Trey Lance. Kyle then said that he didn't think that Jones had the quickest mind, but in fact Lance did. OK, I don't know what he's seeing, but OK, if he does, I'm on board.

Now he's got two complete off seasons and regular seasons working with him. Remember, Kyle's the guy that would prefer to get rid of preseason games altogether because he can learn everything he needs to know in practice. The only things games help in is to see if they play the same way when hit and under game pressure. Kyle knows what he's got in Trey, and he will Always change his game plan to best use his qb, while not necessarily liking having to. He runs Trey between the tackles. He runs the read option. That's not what he wants to do. That tells you he does not trust him to run what he does want to run. When Trey does play, it's not awful, but it's not good either. It's raw.

What has he done this year? He brought in Sam Darnold, who won 4 of 6 games with a poor team, and Sam signed on the First Day of free agence. He could have surely gotten a starting gig. He didn't come here to be qb3. Why would he? He knows. Sam was a draft favorite of Kyle's, and like Trey, went 3rd overall. He's got 5 years experience. Yes, crap teams, crap coaches, and not great play. But, in this SB run opportunity, if Kyle needs someone to fill in for a couple of games, is he going to start the guy he Knows is So raw, or is he going to work with the experienced, talented guy, that just needs to learn to settle down and look for what Kyle will tell him to look for. It's option B folks.

Couple this with Everybody agreeing that Trey needs experience, Lots of it. We're just not going to waste this SB roster giving that to him. And value wise, if Trey can't start over Sam, and in my mind he won't, his trade value is zippo. After this year, it's worse, in that he's now qb3, doesn't play, has only 1 year left on his contract, and the new team can't even Think of exercising the 5th year option of $20m+ for someone that hasn't shown he's a starting player.

Oh, and now we're looking at quarterbacks in the draft. Let's see. Brock, Sam, Trey, and a 3rd round draft pick. Which one of these investments are you going to waste and make vulnerable on the PS? We better trade one of them.

Have you watched Jones? Not that impressive. That 36.2 QBR last year, his second year starting over fourteen games. Ugh.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/167451-49ers-lance-scored-closer-brock-cognitive-suggested-co-founder/

Trey Lance's problem is not processing. It's accuracy. Now, that is a BIG problem. If you can't throw the ball, what good are you? He needs to learn to play the position, yes. But he wasn't as bad as some other rookie QBs with a comparable level of experience in terms of going through progressions, finding the open guy. His biggest problem was and always has been ACCURACY. From day one in the pre-season that was his biggest problem.

I would not be surprised if Trey Lance's cognitive ability as it relates to QB actually surpasses Jones. If it doesn't, it's likely close to his. Per Ally, Lance wasn't that far behind Purdy in this test. But where he WAS far behind Purdy is... ACCURACY.

^^ As well as all the nuances of playing the position; reading defenses, understanding space, pocket awareness, etc.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
You mean 604 post is more than your 5,400??

You mean you're in here more than anyone defending every little negative thing said about Trey.

I have 100K posts lol. I post more in EVERY thread, so save me the stat count s**t, bud.

kid hates lance and does nothing but bash him in here. What's the point in being JUST negative about a player with so little data? He's made it pretty clear he knows nothing about the position… I've never seen so many people be negative towards a player that does everything the right way, but has simply not been healthy enough to play meaningful football/develop.

at least you openly say you're biased about Lance. I can respect that…even though I don't take anything you say towards him seriously (how could anyone?)

Instead of supporting the idea of having more than one good QB on this team and wanting him to get a chance to fail (while the other QB gets better)…ya'll want to ship him off for a bag of chips. Ya'll are some of the most childish fans in sports imo (and I live in NY). Half the s**t said in here is a joke.

So what if he hates Lance!!! Get over it. Lance doesn't give a s**t what he or you say. It's like you're hoping Trey Lance reads this site and is praising you for backing him up. And no wonder why you have 100k post, so quick to jump on people when they disagree with you or your views.

Check this s**t out. I don't agree with everything he's said, but we're not the only ones that didn't like the Trey Lance pick.

https://nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/03/trey-lance-20/

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
When we moved up, I was sure it was for Mac Jones. It just fit the WCO, where you don't need a huge arm, but quick headwork and great accuracy for RAC. The fans, and I believe Lynch, all screamed bloody murder for not shooting higher for "traits", Kyle was out on a limb by himself and quite vulnerable personnally if it didn't work, and he did see the advantage of athleticism in his quarterback, so he relented and surprised and delighted Lynch when he asked him if he was ready to draft Trey Lance. Kyle then said that he didn't think that Jones had the quickest mind, but in fact Lance did. OK, I don't know what he's seeing, but OK, if he does, I'm on board.

Now he's got two complete off seasons and regular seasons working with him. Remember, Kyle's the guy that would prefer to get rid of preseason games altogether because he can learn everything he needs to know in practice. The only things games help in is to see if they play the same way when hit and under game pressure. Kyle knows what he's got in Trey, and he will Always change his game plan to best use his qb, while not necessarily liking having to. He runs Trey between the tackles. He runs the read option. That's not what he wants to do. That tells you he does not trust him to run what he does want to run. When Trey does play, it's not awful, but it's not good either. It's raw.

What has he done this year? He brought in Sam Darnold, who won 4 of 6 games with a poor team, and Sam signed on the First Day of free agence. He could have surely gotten a starting gig. He didn't come here to be qb3. Why would he? He knows. Sam was a draft favorite of Kyle's, and like Trey, went 3rd overall. He's got 5 years experience. Yes, crap teams, crap coaches, and not great play. But, in this SB run opportunity, if Kyle needs someone to fill in for a couple of games, is he going to start the guy he Knows is So raw, or is he going to work with the experienced, talented guy, that just needs to learn to settle down and look for what Kyle will tell him to look for. It's option B folks.

Couple this with Everybody agreeing that Trey needs experience, Lots of it. We're just not going to waste this SB roster giving that to him. And value wise, if Trey can't start over Sam, and in my mind he won't, his trade value is zippo. After this year, it's worse, in that he's now qb3, doesn't play, has only 1 year left on his contract, and the new team can't even Think of exercising the 5th year option of $20m+ for someone that hasn't shown he's a starting player.

Oh, and now we're looking at quarterbacks in the draft. Let's see. Brock, Sam, Trey, and a 3rd round draft pick. Which one of these investments are you going to waste and make vulnerable on the PS? We better trade one of them.

Have you watched Jones? Not that impressive. That 36.2 QBR last year, his second year starting over fourteen games. Ugh.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/167451-49ers-lance-scored-closer-brock-cognitive-suggested-co-founder/

Trey Lance's problem is not processing. It's accuracy. Now, that is a BIG problem. If you can't throw the ball, what good are you? He needs to learn to play the position, yes. But he wasn't as bad as some other rookie QBs with a comparable level of experience in terms of going through progressions, finding the open guy. His biggest problem was and always has been ACCURACY. From day one in the pre-season that was his biggest problem.

I would not be surprised if Trey Lance's cognitive ability as it relates to QB actually surpasses Jones. If it doesn't, it's likely close to his. Per Ally, Lance wasn't that far behind Purdy in this test. But where he WAS far behind Purdy is... ACCURACY.

OK, but imo, we're not going to be playing him, so the clock has already run out on him, since if that's true, now is the last chance to get anything for him.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

You mean 604 post is more than your 5,400??

You mean you're in here more than anyone defending every little negative thing said about Trey.

I have 100K posts lol. I post more in EVERY thread, so save me the stat count s**t, bud.

kid hates lance and does nothing but bash him in here. What's the point in being JUST negative about a player with so little data? He's made it pretty clear he knows nothing about the position… I've never seen so many people be negative towards a player that does everything the right way, but has simply not been healthy enough to play meaningful football/develop.

at least you openly say you're biased about Lance. I can respect that…even though I don't take anything you say towards him seriously (how could anyone?)

Instead of supporting the idea of having more than one good QB on this team and wanting him to get a chance to fail (while the other QB gets better)…ya'll want to ship him off for a bag of chips. Ya'll are some of the most childish fans in sports imo (and I live in NY). Half the s**t said in here is a joke.

So what if he hates Lance!!! Get over it. Lance doesn't give a s**t what he or you say. It's like you're hoping Trey Lance reads this sight and is praising you for backing him up. And no wonder why you have 100k post, so quick to jump on people when they disagree with you or your views.

Check this s**t out. I don't agree with everything he's said, but we're not the only ones that didn't like the Trey Lance pick.

https://nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/03/trey-lance-20/

Nobody hates Trey, his fans bring it upon him more than anything. Somebody mentions Brock won 8 games and they are right there to correct you with the technical 7 games lol. If you want your boy treated with respect stop acting like children

Originally posted by Kolohe:
So what if he hates Lance!!! Get over it. Lance doesn't give a s**t what he or you say. It's like you're hoping Trey Lance reads this sight and is praising you for backing him up. And no wonder why you have 100k post, so quick to jump on people when they disagree with you or your views.

Check this s**t out. I don't agree with everything he's said, but we're not the only ones that didn't like the Trey Lance pick.

https://nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/03/trey-lance-20/

Don't waste your time trying to talk sense into probably the most obnoxious poster in the WZ.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
When we moved up, I was sure it was for Mac Jones. It just fit the WCO, where you don't need a huge arm, but quick headwork and great accuracy for RAC. The fans, and I believe Lynch, all screamed bloody murder for not shooting higher for "traits", Kyle was out on a limb by himself and quite vulnerable personnally if it didn't work, and he did see the advantage of athleticism in his quarterback, so he relented and surprised and delighted Lynch when he asked him if he was ready to draft Trey Lance. Kyle then said that he didn't think that Jones had the quickest mind, but in fact Lance did. OK, I don't know what he's seeing, but OK, if he does, I'm on board.

Now he's got two complete off seasons and regular seasons working with him. Remember, Kyle's the guy that would prefer to get rid of preseason games altogether because he can learn everything he needs to know in practice. The only things games help in is to see if they play the same way when hit and under game pressure. Kyle knows what he's got in Trey, and he will Always change his game plan to best use his qb, while not necessarily liking having to. He runs Trey between the tackles. He runs the read option. That's not what he wants to do. That tells you he does not trust him to run what he does want to run. When Trey does play, it's not awful, but it's not good either. It's raw.

What has he done this year? He brought in Sam Darnold, who won 4 of 6 games with a poor team, and Sam signed on the First Day of free agence. He could have surely gotten a starting gig. He didn't come here to be qb3. Why would he? He knows. Sam was a draft favorite of Kyle's, and like Trey, went 3rd overall. He's got 5 years experience. Yes, crap teams, crap coaches, and not great play. But, in this SB run opportunity, if Kyle needs someone to fill in for a couple of games, is he going to start the guy he Knows is So raw, or is he going to work with the experienced, talented guy, that just needs to learn to settle down and look for what Kyle will tell him to look for. It's option B folks.

Couple this with Everybody agreeing that Trey needs experience, Lots of it. We're just not going to waste this SB roster giving that to him. And value wise, if Trey can't start over Sam, and in my mind he won't, his trade value is zippo. After this year, it's worse, in that he's now qb3, doesn't play, has only 1 year left on his contract, and the new team can't even Think of exercising the 5th year option of $20m+ for someone that hasn't shown he's a starting player.

Oh, and now we're looking at quarterbacks in the draft. Let's see. Brock, Sam, Trey, and a 3rd round draft pick. Which one of these investments are you going to waste and make vulnerable on the PS? We better trade one of them.

Well said and refreshing to read in this thread.
I agree with it all.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
When we moved up, I was sure it was for Mac Jones. It just fit the WCO, where you don't need a huge arm, but quick headwork and great accuracy for RAC. The fans, and I believe Lynch, all screamed bloody murder for not shooting higher for "traits", Kyle was out on a limb by himself and quite vulnerable personnally if it didn't work, and he did see the advantage of athleticism in his quarterback, so he relented and surprised and delighted Lynch when he asked him if he was ready to draft Trey Lance. Kyle then said that he didn't think that Jones had the quickest mind, but in fact Lance did. OK, I don't know what he's seeing, but OK, if he does, I'm on board.

Now he's got two complete off seasons and regular seasons working with him. Remember, Kyle's the guy that would prefer to get rid of preseason games altogether because he can learn everything he needs to know in practice. The only things games help in is to see if they play the same way when hit and under game pressure. Kyle knows what he's got in Trey, and he will Always change his game plan to best use his qb, while not necessarily liking having to. He runs Trey between the tackles. He runs the read option. That's not what he wants to do. That tells you he does not trust him to run what he does want to run. When Trey does play, it's not awful, but it's not good either. It's raw.

What has he done this year? He brought in Sam Darnold, who won 4 of 6 games with a poor team, and Sam signed on the First Day of free agence. He could have surely gotten a starting gig. He didn't come here to be qb3. Why would he? He knows. Sam was a draft favorite of Kyle's, and like Trey, went 3rd overall. He's got 5 years experience. Yes, crap teams, crap coaches, and not great play. But, in this SB run opportunity, if Kyle needs someone to fill in for a couple of games, is he going to start the guy he Knows is So raw, or is he going to work with the experienced, talented guy, that just needs to learn to settle down and look for what Kyle will tell him to look for. It's option B folks.

Couple this with Everybody agreeing that Trey needs experience, Lots of it. We're just not going to waste this SB roster giving that to him. And value wise, if Trey can't start over Sam, and in my mind he won't, his trade value is zippo. After this year, it's worse, in that he's now qb3, doesn't play, has only 1 year left on his contract, and the new team can't even Think of exercising the 5th year option of $20m+ for someone that hasn't shown he's a starting player.

Oh, and now we're looking at quarterbacks in the draft. Let's see. Brock, Sam, Trey, and a 3rd round draft pick. Which one of these investments are you going to waste and make vulnerable on the PS? We better trade one of them.

Have you watched Jones? Not that impressive. That 36.2 QBR last year, his second year starting over fourteen games. Ugh.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/167451-49ers-lance-scored-closer-brock-cognitive-suggested-co-founder/

Trey Lance's problem is not processing. It's accuracy. Now, that is a BIG problem. If you can't throw the ball, what good are you? He needs to learn to play the position, yes. But he wasn't as bad as some other rookie QBs with a comparable level of experience in terms of going through progressions, finding the open guy. His biggest problem was and always has been ACCURACY. From day one in the pre-season that was his biggest problem.

I would not be surprised if Trey Lance's cognitive ability as it relates to QB actually surpasses Jones. If it doesn't, it's likely close to his. Per Ally, Lance wasn't that far behind Purdy in this test. But where he WAS far behind Purdy is... ACCURACY.

OK, but imo, we're not going to be playing him, so the clock has already run out on him, since if that's true, now is the last chance to get anything for him.

That's not necessarily true. If he really has improved his mechanics, his accuracy will also improve, and he'll get a chance in camp to show. If he shows improved accuracy, you got to keep him through the preseason. If Brock is not yet back, and he plays very well, you go extra cautious in bringing Brock back. If he plays well in camp and preseason and you still want to let Brock remain the starter, you now have a cost controlled quality back up QB, and that's much more valuable than the 4th round pick we'd get from him.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
So what if he hates Lance!!! Get over it. Lance doesn't give a s**t what he or you say. It's like you're hoping Trey Lance reads this sight and is praising you for backing him up. And no wonder why you have 100k post, so quick to jump on people when they disagree with you or your views.

Check this s**t out. I don't agree with everything he's said, but we're not the only ones that didn't like the Trey Lance pick.

https://nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/03/trey-lance-20/

Don't waste your time trying to talk sense into probably the most obnoxious poster in the WZ.

You're right I shouldn't, I'm just throwing s**t out there. lol

Originally posted by BOI49er:
When we moved up, I was sure it was for Mac Jones. It just fit the WCO, where you don't need a huge arm, but quick headwork and great accuracy for RAC. The fans, and I believe Lynch, all screamed bloody murder for not shooting higher for "traits", Kyle was out on a limb by himself and quite vulnerable personnally if it didn't work, and he did see the advantage of athleticism in his quarterback, so he relented and surprised and delighted Lynch when he asked him if he was ready to draft Trey Lance. Kyle then said that he didn't think that Jones had the quickest mind, but in fact Lance did. OK, I don't know what he's seeing, but OK, if he does, I'm on board.

Now he's got two complete off seasons and regular seasons working with him. Remember, Kyle's the guy that would prefer to get rid of preseason games altogether because he can learn everything he needs to know in practice. The only things games help in is to see if they play the same way when hit and under game pressure. Kyle knows what he's got in Trey, and he will Always change his game plan to best use his qb, while not necessarily liking having to. He runs Trey between the tackles. He runs the read option. That's not what he wants to do. That tells you he does not trust him to run what he does want to run. When Trey does play, it's not awful, but it's not good either. It's raw.

What has he done this year? He brought in Sam Darnold, who won 4 of 6 games with a poor team, and Sam signed on the First Day of free agence. He could have surely gotten a starting gig. He didn't come here to be qb3. Why would he? He knows. Sam was a draft favorite of Kyle's, and like Trey, went 3rd overall. He's got 5 years experience. Yes, crap teams, crap coaches, and not great play. But, in this SB run opportunity, if Kyle needs someone to fill in for a couple of games, is he going to start the guy he Knows is So raw, or is he going to work with the experienced, talented guy, that just needs to learn to settle down and look for what Kyle will tell him to look for. It's option B folks.

Couple this with Everybody agreeing that Trey needs experience, Lots of it. We're just not going to waste this SB roster giving that to him. And value wise, if Trey can't start over Sam, and in my mind he won't, his trade value is zippo. After this year, it's worse, in that he's now qb3, doesn't play, has only 1 year left on his contract, and the new team can't even Think of exercising the 5th year option of $20m+ for someone that hasn't shown he's a starting player.

Oh, and now we're looking at quarterbacks in the draft. Let's see. Brock, Sam, Trey, and a 3rd round draft pick. Which one of these investments are you going to waste and make vulnerable on the PS? We better trade one of them.

1 of those games "he won", he almost had as many completions to the other team as he did to his team. and no, he surely could not have gotten a starting gig this off season. we can debate trey but there's no debate that darnold has been trash.

Originally posted by ptw1:
1 of those games "he won", he almost had as many completions to the other team as he did to his team. and no, he surely could not have gotten a starting gig this off season. we can debate trey but there's no debate that darnold has been trash.

Yes there is. But go take that to the Darnold thread.

Originally posted by ptw1:
1 of those games "he won", he almost had as many completions to the other team as he did to his team. and no, he surely could not have gotten a starting gig this off season. we can debate trey but there's no debate that darnold has been trash.

Agree he likely wouldn't have got on offer to be a starting QB this offseason.

There's absolutely no doubt he would have got offers as a QB2 though, and that's effectively what he got here.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Agree he likely wouldn't have got on offer to be a starting QB this offseason.

There's absolutely no doubt he would have got offers as a QB2 though, and that's effectively what he got here.

Yet if Trey is traded he's handed the #1 spot by default with no competition going forward until Brock is healthy. The defacto starter.

If the 9ers had moved up for Mac Jones it would've been the worst trade up in draft history since WE KNOW Mac wasn't rated higher than 15th. Krizay can lament where Trey wouldve gone but we KNOW Mac wasnt a top 10 guy let alone top 5.

Also anyone who has 2 eyes can see Brock is better than Mac at EVERYTHING. So wed be in the same situation except we'd have a far less valuable asset with an attitude problem.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Yet if Trey is traded he's handed the #1 spot by default with no competition going forward until Brock is healthy. The defacto starter.

Pretty much, and the team's willingness to start him in the short term is reflected in his contract through incentives.

It may piss you off that the team is showing a willingness to go this route but they have positioned themselves to do so. That doesn't mean it's set to happen that way.