Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well that's kind of my point. It didn't look effortless. It looked like he was doing a lot mechanically to control the pace of the ball. It was basically an all arm throw instead of a proper use of his body. I think that's one of the reasons we hear reports of arm fatigue. My point about the pressure was he can get away with making the throw like that because he has the space to do it... even though I don't think he'd be consistently accurate using that kind of motion even in space. The space just allows him to go through his normal motion, or in that case the slowed down version of it.

The top throw here in your most recent post is the best example you've used yet though. No complaints there.

The throw to Deebo was more of what we've already seen. When his feet are right he can fire a laser accurately.

I'm sorry but nothing about that throw looked like it required a lot of work from him to make. It in fact looked effortless & with touch.

You're contradicting yourself. So he can get away with that throw because there's space for him to what? Step into it? And then when there's pressure and he can't step into it, what do you expect him to use? His arm strength.

I've shown you a layered pass that was 20+ yards downfield made effortlessly. I've showed you a one step drop in breaking route. I've showed you an off balance pressure throw that had touch. I showed you a practice throw, throwing on the run side arm made between defenders. I've showed you a quick slant pass.

The problem is people have tried to overanalyze 100 passing attempts and find anything wrong. Ya'll have painted a picture of bad in your head regardless of not seeing him throw a ball since October or it actually not being that bad.

The problem with Trey wasn't ever things he just flat out couldn't do, it is just doing them with a greater degree of consistency. Improved mechanics should help that issue. The sailing passes should not be as frequent as they were. Now they just need to realize that he is not a running quarterback, he should almost never have running plays called for him, least of all QB power where he has to wade through the trenches.

Lol what? He's good at that. It was a freak accident. He did that throughout college and in the NFL, and it helped our run game tremendously. Go look at our run stats with him under center.

What I mean by that:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/162350-why-49ers-run-game-experienced-decline-2022/

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Well that's kind of my point. It didn't look effortless. It looked like he was doing a lot mechanically to control the pace of the ball. It was basically an all arm throw instead of a proper use of his body. I think that's one of the reasons we hear reports of arm fatigue. My point about the pressure was he can get away with making the throw like that because he has the space to do it... even though I don't think he'd be consistently accurate using that kind of motion even in space. The space just allows him to go through his normal motion, or in that case the slowed down version of it.

The top throw here in your most recent post is the best example you've used yet though. No complaints there.

The throw to Deebo was more of what we've already seen. When his feet are right he can fire a laser accurately.

I'm sorry but nothing about that throw looked like it required a lot of work from him to make. It in fact looked effortless & with touch.

You're contradicting yourself. So he can get away with that throw because there's space for him to what? Step into it? And then when there's pressure and he can't step into it, what do you expect him to use? His arm strength.

I've shown you a layered pass that was 20+ yards downfield made effortlessly. I've showed you a one step drop in breaking route. I've showed you an off balance pressure throw that had touch. I showed you a practice throw, throwing on the run side arm made between defenders. I've showed you a quick slant pass.

The problem is people have tried to overanalyze 100 passing attempts and find anything wrong. Ya'll have painted a picture of bad in your head regardless of not seeing him throw a ball since October or it actually not being that bad.

The problem with Trey wasn't ever things he just flat out couldn't do, it is just doing them with a greater degree of consistency. Improved mechanics should help that issue. The sailing passes should not be as frequent as they were. Now they just need to realize that he is not a running quarterback, he should almost never have running plays called for him, least of all QB power where he has to wade through the trenches.

Lol what? He's good at that. It was a freak accident. He did that throughout college and in the NFL, and it helped our run game tremendously. Go look at our run stats with him under center.

What I mean by that:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/162350-why-49ers-run-game-experienced-decline-2022/

Taking a game against the Bears and a couple drives against Seattle (bad run defense) doesn't prove anything. The author says the 75 yard TD drive would've happened with Trey too lol this is not an objective source

Trey has not been effective as a runner and he gets smacked around when he does run. Our offense is ineffective when he plays. He's averaged 4.4 ypc, 4.2 in 2022. That isn't good for a dual threat QB. If you look at any QB known for running they will all be over 5 ypc

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well that's kind of my point. It didn't look effortless. It looked like he was doing a lot mechanically to control the pace of the ball. It was basically an all arm throw instead of a proper use of his body. I think that's one of the reasons we hear reports of arm fatigue. My point about the pressure was he can get away with making the throw like that because he has the space to do it... even though I don't think he'd be consistently accurate using that kind of motion even in space. The space just allows him to go through his normal motion, or in that case the slowed down version of it.

The top throw here in your most recent post is the best example you've used yet though. No complaints there.

The throw to Deebo was more of what we've already seen. When his feet are right he can fire a laser accurately.

I'm sorry but nothing about that throw looked like it required a lot of work from him to make. It in fact looked effortless & with touch.

You're contradicting yourself. So he can get away with that throw because there's space for him to what? Step into it? And then when there's pressure and he can't step into it, what do you expect him to use? His arm strength.

I've shown you a layered pass that was 20+ yards downfield made effortlessly. I've showed you a one step drop in breaking route. I've showed you an off balance pressure throw that had touch. I showed you a practice throw, throwing on the run side arm made between defenders. I've showed you a quick slant pass.

The problem is people have tried to overanalyze 100 passing attempts and find anything wrong. Ya'll have painted a picture of bad in your head regardless of not seeing him throw a ball since October or it actually not being that bad.

The problem with Trey wasn't ever things he just flat out couldn't do, it is just doing them with a greater degree of consistency. Improved mechanics should help that issue. The sailing passes should not be as frequent as they were. Now they just need to realize that he is not a running quarterback, he should almost never have running plays called for him, least of all QB power where he has to wade through the trenches.

Lol what? He's good at that. It was a freak accident. He did that throughout college and in the NFL, and it helped our run game tremendously. Go look at our run stats with him under center.

What I mean by that:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/162350-why-49ers-run-game-experienced-decline-2022/

If you can't see that trey is not a dynamic runner, I don't know what to tell you. He looked dynamic against future grocery baggers. He has done NOTHING in the NFL that would indicate he will be a successful runner, especially at this level. He neither has the speed, power, or elusiveness that would suggest otherwise. And we all know how many opportunities Shanahan tried to give him to show he can run.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well that's kind of my point. It didn't look effortless. It looked like he was doing a lot mechanically to control the pace of the ball. It was basically an all arm throw instead of a proper use of his body. I think that's one of the reasons we hear reports of arm fatigue. My point about the pressure was he can get away with making the throw like that because he has the space to do it... even though I don't think he'd be consistently accurate using that kind of motion even in space. The space just allows him to go through his normal motion, or in that case the slowed down version of it.

The top throw here in your most recent post is the best example you've used yet though. No complaints there.

The throw to Deebo was more of what we've already seen. When his feet are right he can fire a laser accurately.

I'm sorry but nothing about that throw looked like it required a lot of work from him to make. It in fact looked effortless & with touch.

You're contradicting yourself. So he can get away with that throw because there's space for him to what? Step into it? And then when there's pressure and he can't step into it, what do you expect him to use? His arm strength.

I've shown you a layered pass that was 20+ yards downfield made effortlessly. I've showed you a one step drop in breaking route. I've showed you an off balance pressure throw that had touch. I showed you a practice throw, throwing on the run side arm made between defenders. I've showed you a quick slant pass.

The problem is people have tried to overanalyze 100 passing attempts and find anything wrong. Ya'll have painted a picture of bad in your head regardless of not seeing him throw a ball since October or it actually not being that bad.

The problem with Trey wasn't ever things he just flat out couldn't do, it is just doing them with a greater degree of consistency. Improved mechanics should help that issue. The sailing passes should not be as frequent as they were. Now they just need to realize that he is not a running quarterback, he should almost never have running plays called for him, least of all QB power where he has to wade through the trenches.

Lol what? He's good at that. It was a freak accident. He did that throughout college and in the NFL, and it helped our run game tremendously. Go look at our run stats with him under center.

What I mean by that:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/162350-why-49ers-run-game-experienced-decline-2022/

Taking a game against the Bears and a couple drives against Seattle (bad run defense) doesn't prove anything. The author says the 75 yard TD drive would've happened with Trey too lol this is not an objective source

Trey has not been effective as a runner and he gets smacked around when he does run. Our offense is ineffective when he plays. He's averaged 4.4 ypc, 4.2 in 2022. That's isn't good for a dual threat QB. If you look at any QB known for running they will all be over 5 ypc

Why are you denying what literally everyone knows and acknowledges is true? The run game is better with him in the line up. Pretending his 4.4 or 4.2 yards per carry is the only contribution he has to the run game is asinine. The defense has to cover his runs. That opens up runs elsewhere. That's a fact of reality. What are you even doing? Anyone who knows anything about football is aware that when QB power and zone read are used, defenses have to maintain lane discipline.

Just because I'm annoyed, here's some facts for you:

I tallied every rush the 49ers have done since Lance has been on the team (excluding playoffs due to slight laziness). That includes games in which he played partially, where I divided team carries when Lance was on the field and when he wasn't (this includes one estimation: how many times the team run without him while he was on the field but didn't get significant playing time. I tallied his carries, and by memory assumed there were two carries by Juice that got zero yards; it won't affect anything but the tens place at most).

Here are the 49ers yards per carries with Lance on the field vs with Lance off the field:

No Lance: 4.1

Lance: 5.3

For reference, that's the difference, were it team rushing, between the second best rushing attack in the NFL and the 25th. The 700 or so rushing yards on roughly 130 carries that have occurred with Lance under center have made a disproportionate difference in our rushing numbers.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well that's kind of my point. It didn't look effortless. It looked like he was doing a lot mechanically to control the pace of the ball. It was basically an all arm throw instead of a proper use of his body. I think that's one of the reasons we hear reports of arm fatigue. My point about the pressure was he can get away with making the throw like that because he has the space to do it... even though I don't think he'd be consistently accurate using that kind of motion even in space. The space just allows him to go through his normal motion, or in that case the slowed down version of it.

The top throw here in your most recent post is the best example you've used yet though. No complaints there.

The throw to Deebo was more of what we've already seen. When his feet are right he can fire a laser accurately.

I'm sorry but nothing about that throw looked like it required a lot of work from him to make. It in fact looked effortless & with touch.

You're contradicting yourself. So he can get away with that throw because there's space for him to what? Step into it? And then when there's pressure and he can't step into it, what do you expect him to use? His arm strength.

I've shown you a layered pass that was 20+ yards downfield made effortlessly. I've showed you a one step drop in breaking route. I've showed you an off balance pressure throw that had touch. I showed you a practice throw, throwing on the run side arm made between defenders. I've showed you a quick slant pass.

The problem is people have tried to overanalyze 100 passing attempts and find anything wrong. Ya'll have painted a picture of bad in your head regardless of not seeing him throw a ball since October or it actually not being that bad.

The problem with Trey wasn't ever things he just flat out couldn't do, it is just doing them with a greater degree of consistency. Improved mechanics should help that issue. The sailing passes should not be as frequent as they were. Now they just need to realize that he is not a running quarterback, he should almost never have running plays called for him, least of all QB power where he has to wade through the trenches.

Lol what? He's good at that. It was a freak accident. He did that throughout college and in the NFL, and it helped our run game tremendously. Go look at our run stats with him under center.

What I mean by that:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/162350-why-49ers-run-game-experienced-decline-2022/

If you can't see that trey is not a dynamic runner, I don't know what to tell you. He looked dynamic against future grocery baggers. He has done NOTHING in the NFL that would indicate he will be a successful runner, especially at this level. He neither has the speed, power, or elusiveness that would suggest otherwise. And we all know how many opportunities Shanahan tried to give him to show he can run.

I'll tell you what I told Buddy Boi. Due to my general annoyance at this asinine argument that comes from people who turned off the TV when Lance came in, I went and tallied up every rush that has occurred since Lance joined the team. His rushing IS A THREAT, and it forces defenses to respect it, whether you believe it or not:

Rushing game without Lance in the line up: 4.1 yards per carry

Rushing game with Lance in the line up: 5.3 yards per carry

As I told Buddy Boi, that's the difference between the second best rushing team in the league and the 25th best.

If YOU can't see that, I DO know what to tell you: you don't know football, or you haven't actually watched games in which Trey played (I find the latter more likely; I am thoroughly convinced you Jimmy stans just turned the tv off when Lance came in).

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Well that's kind of my point. It didn't look effortless. It looked like he was doing a lot mechanically to control the pace of the ball. It was basically an all arm throw instead of a proper use of his body. I think that's one of the reasons we hear reports of arm fatigue. My point about the pressure was he can get away with making the throw like that because he has the space to do it... even though I don't think he'd be consistently accurate using that kind of motion even in space. The space just allows him to go through his normal motion, or in that case the slowed down version of it.

The top throw here in your most recent post is the best example you've used yet though. No complaints there.

The throw to Deebo was more of what we've already seen. When his feet are right he can fire a laser accurately.

I'm sorry but nothing about that throw looked like it required a lot of work from him to make. It in fact looked effortless & with touch.

You're contradicting yourself. So he can get away with that throw because there's space for him to what? Step into it? And then when there's pressure and he can't step into it, what do you expect him to use? His arm strength.

I've shown you a layered pass that was 20+ yards downfield made effortlessly. I've showed you a one step drop in breaking route. I've showed you an off balance pressure throw that had touch. I showed you a practice throw, throwing on the run side arm made between defenders. I've showed you a quick slant pass.

The problem is people have tried to overanalyze 100 passing attempts and find anything wrong. Ya'll have painted a picture of bad in your head regardless of not seeing him throw a ball since October or it actually not being that bad.

The problem with Trey wasn't ever things he just flat out couldn't do, it is just doing them with a greater degree of consistency. Improved mechanics should help that issue. The sailing passes should not be as frequent as they were. Now they just need to realize that he is not a running quarterback, he should almost never have running plays called for him, least of all QB power where he has to wade through the trenches.

Lol what? He's good at that. It was a freak accident. He did that throughout college and in the NFL, and it helped our run game tremendously. Go look at our run stats with him under center.

What I mean by that:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/162350-why-49ers-run-game-experienced-decline-2022/

Taking a game against the Bears and a couple drives against Seattle (bad run defense) doesn't prove anything. The author says the 75 yard TD drive would've happened with Trey too lol this is not an objective source

Trey has not been effective as a runner and he gets smacked around when he does run. Our offense is ineffective when he plays. He's averaged 4.4 ypc, 4.2 in 2022. That's isn't good for a dual threat QB. If you look at any QB known for running they will all be over 5 ypc

Why are you denying what literally everyone knows and acknowledges is true? The run game is better with him in the line up. Pretending his 4.4 or 4.2 yards per carry is the only contribution he has to the run game is asinine. The defense has to cover his runs. That opens up runs elsewhere. That's a fact of reality. What are you even doing? Anyone who knows anything about football is aware that when QB power and zone read are used, defenses have to maintain lane discipline.

Just because I'm annoyed, here's some facts for you:

I tallied every rush the 49ers have done since Lance has been on the team (excluding playoffs due to slight laziness). That includes games in which he played partially, where I divided team carries when Lance was on the field and when he wasn't (this includes one estimation: how many times the team run without him while he was on the field but didn't get significant playing time. I tallied his carries, and by memory assumed there were two carries by Juice that got zero yards; it won't affect anything but the tens place at most).

Here are the 49ers yards per carries with Lance on the field vs with Lance off the field:

No Lance: 4.1

Lance: 5.3

For reference, that's the difference, were it team rushing, between the second best rushing attack in the NFL and the 25th. The 700 or so rushing yards on roughly 130 carries that have occurred with Lance under center have made a disproportionate difference in our rushing numbers.

You said he's good at it, and he's not. Our offense sucks when he plays. You guys talk about how we can't take anything from such a small sample, but want to say he's the reason we have rushed well when he plays. We've had stretches of running the ball well without him, we can't just assume he is the reason.

The guy sucks at running. If he really is the reason we ran the ball well in his few starts, then that won't last because he's not a threat.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well that's kind of my point. It didn't look effortless. It looked like he was doing a lot mechanically to control the pace of the ball. It was basically an all arm throw instead of a proper use of his body. I think that's one of the reasons we hear reports of arm fatigue. My point about the pressure was he can get away with making the throw like that because he has the space to do it... even though I don't think he'd be consistently accurate using that kind of motion even in space. The space just allows him to go through his normal motion, or in that case the slowed down version of it.

The top throw here in your most recent post is the best example you've used yet though. No complaints there.

The throw to Deebo was more of what we've already seen. When his feet are right he can fire a laser accurately.

I'm sorry but nothing about that throw looked like it required a lot of work from him to make. It in fact looked effortless & with touch.

You're contradicting yourself. So he can get away with that throw because there's space for him to what? Step into it? And then when there's pressure and he can't step into it, what do you expect him to use? His arm strength.

I've shown you a layered pass that was 20+ yards downfield made effortlessly. I've showed you a one step drop in breaking route. I've showed you an off balance pressure throw that had touch. I showed you a practice throw, throwing on the run side arm made between defenders. I've showed you a quick slant pass.

The problem is people have tried to overanalyze 100 passing attempts and find anything wrong. Ya'll have painted a picture of bad in your head regardless of not seeing him throw a ball since October or it actually not being that bad.

The problem with Trey wasn't ever things he just flat out couldn't do, it is just doing them with a greater degree of consistency. Improved mechanics should help that issue. The sailing passes should not be as frequent as they were. Now they just need to realize that he is not a running quarterback, he should almost never have running plays called for him, least of all QB power where he has to wade through the trenches.

Lol what? He's good at that. It was a freak accident. He did that throughout college and in the NFL, and it helped our run game tremendously. Go look at our run stats with him under center.

What I mean by that:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/162350-why-49ers-run-game-experienced-decline-2022/

If you can't see that trey is not a dynamic runner, I don't know what to tell you. He looked dynamic against future grocery baggers. He has done NOTHING in the NFL that would indicate he will be a successful runner, especially at this level. He neither has the speed, power, or elusiveness that would suggest otherwise. And we all know how many opportunities Shanahan tried to give him to show he can run.

I'll tell you what I told Buddy Boi. Due to my general annoyance at this asinine argument that comes from people who turned off the TV when Lance came in, I went and tallied up every rush that has occurred since Lance joined the team. His rushing IS A THREAT, and it forces defenses to respect it, whether you believe it or not:

Rushing game without Lance in the line up: 4.1 yards per carry

Rushing game with Lance in the line up: 5.3 yards per carry

As I told Buddy Boi, that's the difference between the second best rushing team in the league and the 25th best.

If YOU can't see that, I DO know what to tell you: you don't know football, or you haven't actually watched games in which Trey played (I find the latter more likely; I am thoroughly convinced you Jimmy stans just turned the tv off when Lance came in).

What does the teams average have to do with lances individual ability to run? Lance didn't contribute to those numbers

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well that's kind of my point. It didn't look effortless. It looked like he was doing a lot mechanically to control the pace of the ball. It was basically an all arm throw instead of a proper use of his body. I think that's one of the reasons we hear reports of arm fatigue. My point about the pressure was he can get away with making the throw like that because he has the space to do it... even though I don't think he'd be consistently accurate using that kind of motion even in space. The space just allows him to go through his normal motion, or in that case the slowed down version of it.

The top throw here in your most recent post is the best example you've used yet though. No complaints there.

The throw to Deebo was more of what we've already seen. When his feet are right he can fire a laser accurately.

I'm sorry but nothing about that throw looked like it required a lot of work from him to make. It in fact looked effortless & with touch.

You're contradicting yourself. So he can get away with that throw because there's space for him to what? Step into it? And then when there's pressure and he can't step into it, what do you expect him to use? His arm strength.

I've shown you a layered pass that was 20+ yards downfield made effortlessly. I've showed you a one step drop in breaking route. I've showed you an off balance pressure throw that had touch. I showed you a practice throw, throwing on the run side arm made between defenders. I've showed you a quick slant pass.

The problem is people have tried to overanalyze 100 passing attempts and find anything wrong. Ya'll have painted a picture of bad in your head regardless of not seeing him throw a ball since October or it actually not being that bad.

The problem with Trey wasn't ever things he just flat out couldn't do, it is just doing them with a greater degree of consistency. Improved mechanics should help that issue. The sailing passes should not be as frequent as they were. Now they just need to realize that he is not a running quarterback, he should almost never have running plays called for him, least of all QB power where he has to wade through the trenches.

Lol what? He's good at that. It was a freak accident. He did that throughout college and in the NFL, and it helped our run game tremendously. Go look at our run stats with him under center.

What I mean by that:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/162350-why-49ers-run-game-experienced-decline-2022/

If you can't see that trey is not a dynamic runner, I don't know what to tell you. He looked dynamic against future grocery baggers. He has done NOTHING in the NFL that would indicate he will be a successful runner, especially at this level. He neither has the speed, power, or elusiveness that would suggest otherwise. And we all know how many opportunities Shanahan tried to give him to show he can run.

I'll tell you what I told Buddy Boi. Due to my general annoyance at this asinine argument that comes from people who turned off the TV when Lance came in, I went and tallied up every rush that has occurred since Lance joined the team. His rushing IS A THREAT, and it forces defenses to respect it, whether you believe it or not:

Rushing game without Lance in the line up: 4.1 yards per carry

Rushing game with Lance in the line up: 5.3 yards per carry

As I told Buddy Boi, that's the difference between the second best rushing team in the league and the 25th best.

If YOU can't see that, I DO know what to tell you: you don't know football, or you haven't actually watched games in which Trey played (I find the latter more likely; I am thoroughly convinced you Jimmy stans just turned the tv off when Lance came in).

What does the teams average have to do with lances individual ability to run? Lance didn't contribute to those numbers

It is precisely because he can run that those numbers improve with him under center. I thought I spelled that out in the post you responded to. A QB who can run makes it so that it's 11 on 11. Lance can run. The nonsense that he isn't a threat on the ground is wrong on multiple levels—never mind the videos and gifs we've posted here over and over ad nauseum showing him with some wiggle and ability to juke NFL players—but it's also CLEAR that NFL defenses respect his ability to run, as evidenced by the fact that they dedicate a man to watch him or play prepared to stop designed QB runs, resulting in other rushing lanes opening up.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well that's kind of my point. It didn't look effortless. It looked like he was doing a lot mechanically to control the pace of the ball. It was basically an all arm throw instead of a proper use of his body. I think that's one of the reasons we hear reports of arm fatigue. My point about the pressure was he can get away with making the throw like that because he has the space to do it... even though I don't think he'd be consistently accurate using that kind of motion even in space. The space just allows him to go through his normal motion, or in that case the slowed down version of it.

The top throw here in your most recent post is the best example you've used yet though. No complaints there.

The throw to Deebo was more of what we've already seen. When his feet are right he can fire a laser accurately.

I'm sorry but nothing about that throw looked like it required a lot of work from him to make. It in fact looked effortless & with touch.

You're contradicting yourself. So he can get away with that throw because there's space for him to what? Step into it? And then when there's pressure and he can't step into it, what do you expect him to use? His arm strength.

I've shown you a layered pass that was 20+ yards downfield made effortlessly. I've showed you a one step drop in breaking route. I've showed you an off balance pressure throw that had touch. I showed you a practice throw, throwing on the run side arm made between defenders. I've showed you a quick slant pass.

The problem is people have tried to overanalyze 100 passing attempts and find anything wrong. Ya'll have painted a picture of bad in your head regardless of not seeing him throw a ball since October or it actually not being that bad.

The problem with Trey wasn't ever things he just flat out couldn't do, it is just doing them with a greater degree of consistency. Improved mechanics should help that issue. The sailing passes should not be as frequent as they were. Now they just need to realize that he is not a running quarterback, he should almost never have running plays called for him, least of all QB power where he has to wade through the trenches.

Lol what? He's good at that. It was a freak accident. He did that throughout college and in the NFL, and it helped our run game tremendously. Go look at our run stats with him under center.

What I mean by that:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/162350-why-49ers-run-game-experienced-decline-2022/

Taking a game against the Bears and a couple drives against Seattle (bad run defense) doesn't prove anything. The author says the 75 yard TD drive would've happened with Trey too lol this is not an objective source

Trey has not been effective as a runner and he gets smacked around when he does run. Our offense is ineffective when he plays. He's averaged 4.4 ypc, 4.2 in 2022. That's isn't good for a dual threat QB. If you look at any QB known for running they will all be over 5 ypc

Why are you denying what literally everyone knows and acknowledges is true? The run game is better with him in the line up. Pretending his 4.4 or 4.2 yards per carry is the only contribution he has to the run game is asinine. The defense has to cover his runs. That opens up runs elsewhere. That's a fact of reality. What are you even doing? Anyone who knows anything about football is aware that when QB power and zone read are used, defenses have to maintain lane discipline.

Just because I'm annoyed, here's some facts for you:

I tallied every rush the 49ers have done since Lance has been on the team (excluding playoffs due to slight laziness). That includes games in which he played partially, where I divided team carries when Lance was on the field and when he wasn't (this includes one estimation: how many times the team run without him while he was on the field but didn't get significant playing time. I tallied his carries, and by memory assumed there were two carries by Juice that got zero yards; it won't affect anything but the tens place at most).

Here are the 49ers yards per carries with Lance on the field vs with Lance off the field:

No Lance: 4.1

Lance: 5.3

For reference, that's the difference, were it team rushing, between the second best rushing attack in the NFL and the 25th. The 700 or so rushing yards on roughly 130 carries that have occurred with Lance under center have made a disproportionate difference in our rushing numbers.

You said he's good at it, and he's not. Our offense sucks when he plays. You guys talk about how we can't take anything from such a small sample, but want to say he's the reason we have rushed well when he plays. We've had stretches of running the ball well without him, we can't just assume he is the reason.

The guy sucks at running. If he really is the reason we ran the ball well in his few starts, then that won't last because he's not a threat.

He's CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY good at it, as evidenced by the TREMENDOUS jump in yards per carry the team has when he's in the lineup. What he's not good at is passing the football, which is why our offense sucks with him in the lineup.

Are you serious? You really think his RUNNING is why the offense is bad when he's in? He can't throw the ball! That is why the offense is bad when he's in.

How many gifs and videos showing him being a good runner do we have to post? Do I have to go unload images again? Good god, did you even watch him play?

Prediction: the goal post will be predictably moved from "he's not good at running" to "he's not as good as Mike Vick or Justin Fields at running" as soon as people start posting him juking safeties and linebackers and getting yards.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Well that's kind of my point. It didn't look effortless. It looked like he was doing a lot mechanically to control the pace of the ball. It was basically an all arm throw instead of a proper use of his body. I think that's one of the reasons we hear reports of arm fatigue. My point about the pressure was he can get away with making the throw like that because he has the space to do it... even though I don't think he'd be consistently accurate using that kind of motion even in space. The space just allows him to go through his normal motion, or in that case the slowed down version of it.

The top throw here in your most recent post is the best example you've used yet though. No complaints there.

The throw to Deebo was more of what we've already seen. When his feet are right he can fire a laser accurately.

I'm sorry but nothing about that throw looked like it required a lot of work from him to make. It in fact looked effortless & with touch.

You're contradicting yourself. So he can get away with that throw because there's space for him to what? Step into it? And then when there's pressure and he can't step into it, what do you expect him to use? His arm strength.

I've shown you a layered pass that was 20+ yards downfield made effortlessly. I've showed you a one step drop in breaking route. I've showed you an off balance pressure throw that had touch. I showed you a practice throw, throwing on the run side arm made between defenders. I've showed you a quick slant pass.

The problem is people have tried to overanalyze 100 passing attempts and find anything wrong. Ya'll have painted a picture of bad in your head regardless of not seeing him throw a ball since October or it actually not being that bad.

The problem with Trey wasn't ever things he just flat out couldn't do, it is just doing them with a greater degree of consistency. Improved mechanics should help that issue. The sailing passes should not be as frequent as they were. Now they just need to realize that he is not a running quarterback, he should almost never have running plays called for him, least of all QB power where he has to wade through the trenches.

Lol what? He's good at that. It was a freak accident. He did that throughout college and in the NFL, and it helped our run game tremendously. Go look at our run stats with him under center.

What I mean by that:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/162350-why-49ers-run-game-experienced-decline-2022/

Taking a game against the Bears and a couple drives against Seattle (bad run defense) doesn't prove anything. The author says the 75 yard TD drive would've happened with Trey too lol this is not an objective source

Trey has not been effective as a runner and he gets smacked around when he does run. Our offense is ineffective when he plays. He's averaged 4.4 ypc, 4.2 in 2022. That's isn't good for a dual threat QB. If you look at any QB known for running they will all be over 5 ypc

Why are you denying what literally everyone knows and acknowledges is true? The run game is better with him in the line up. Pretending his 4.4 or 4.2 yards per carry is the only contribution he has to the run game is asinine. The defense has to cover his runs. That opens up runs elsewhere. That's a fact of reality. What are you even doing? Anyone who knows anything about football is aware that when QB power and zone read are used, defenses have to maintain lane discipline.

Just because I'm annoyed, here's some facts for you:

I tallied every rush the 49ers have done since Lance has been on the team (excluding playoffs due to slight laziness). That includes games in which he played partially, where I divided team carries when Lance was on the field and when he wasn't (this includes one estimation: how many times the team run without him while he was on the field but didn't get significant playing time. I tallied his carries, and by memory assumed there were two carries by Juice that got zero yards; it won't affect anything but the tens place at most).

Here are the 49ers yards per carries with Lance on the field vs with Lance off the field:

No Lance: 4.1

Lance: 5.3

For reference, that's the difference, were it team rushing, between the second best rushing attack in the NFL and the 25th. The 700 or so rushing yards on roughly 130 carries that have occurred with Lance under center have made a disproportionate difference in our rushing numbers.

You said he's good at it, and he's not. Our offense sucks when he plays. You guys talk about how we can't take anything from such a small sample, but want to say he's the reason we have rushed well when he plays. We've had stretches of running the ball well without him, we can't just assume he is the reason.

The guy sucks at running. If he really is the reason we ran the ball well in his few starts, then that won't last because he's not a threat.

He's CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY good at it, as evidenced by the TREMENDOUS jump in yards per carry the team has when he's in the lineup. What he's not good at is passing the football, which is why our offense sucks with him in the lineup.

Are you serious? You really think his RUNNING is why the offense is bad when he's in? He can't throw the ball! That is why the offense is bad when he's in.

How many gifs and videos showing him being a good runner do we have to post? Do I have to go unload images again? Good god, did you even watch him play?

We ran the ball well. We've done it without him too. He can run, but he's not good at it man sorry. You are correlating the teams ypc to him, but it's not all him. This is all Deebo, nothing to do with Trey.

He's a threat for four or five yards any time they do a QB power. That's something a defense has to respect. And it's why the team averages an extra yard+ per carry when he's in the lineup. How do you people not realize this?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

He's a threat for four or five yards any time they do a QB power. That's something a defense has to respect. And it's why the team averages an extra yard+ per carry when he's in the lineup. How do you people not realize this?

You have just been given film that proves Trey is not the reason for the boost. Deebo breaks of a couple runs like that, and there you have it in such a small sample. Show us why Trey is the reason, numbers on a screen prove nothing

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well that's kind of my point. It didn't look effortless. It looked like he was doing a lot mechanically to control the pace of the ball. It was basically an all arm throw instead of a proper use of his body. I think that's one of the reasons we hear reports of arm fatigue. My point about the pressure was he can get away with making the throw like that because he has the space to do it... even though I don't think he'd be consistently accurate using that kind of motion even in space. The space just allows him to go through his normal motion, or in that case the slowed down version of it.

The top throw here in your most recent post is the best example you've used yet though. No complaints there.

The throw to Deebo was more of what we've already seen. When his feet are right he can fire a laser accurately.

I'm sorry but nothing about that throw looked like it required a lot of work from him to make. It in fact looked effortless & with touch.

You're contradicting yourself. So he can get away with that throw because there's space for him to what? Step into it? And then when there's pressure and he can't step into it, what do you expect him to use? His arm strength.

I've shown you a layered pass that was 20+ yards downfield made effortlessly. I've showed you a one step drop in breaking route. I've showed you an off balance pressure throw that had touch. I showed you a practice throw, throwing on the run side arm made between defenders. I've showed you a quick slant pass.

The problem is people have tried to overanalyze 100 passing attempts and find anything wrong. Ya'll have painted a picture of bad in your head regardless of not seeing him throw a ball since October or it actually not being that bad.

The problem with Trey wasn't ever things he just flat out couldn't do, it is just doing them with a greater degree of consistency. Improved mechanics should help that issue. The sailing passes should not be as frequent as they were. Now they just need to realize that he is not a running quarterback, he should almost never have running plays called for him, least of all QB power where he has to wade through the trenches.

Lol what? He's good at that. It was a freak accident. He did that throughout college and in the NFL, and it helped our run game tremendously. Go look at our run stats with him under center.

What I mean by that:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/162350-why-49ers-run-game-experienced-decline-2022/

Taking a game against the Bears and a couple drives against Seattle (bad run defense) doesn't prove anything. The author says the 75 yard TD drive would've happened with Trey too lol this is not an objective source

Trey has not been effective as a runner and he gets smacked around when he does run. Our offense is ineffective when he plays. He's averaged 4.4 ypc, 4.2 in 2022. That's isn't good for a dual threat QB. If you look at any QB known for running they will all be over 5 ypc

Why are you denying what literally everyone knows and acknowledges is true? The run game is better with him in the line up. Pretending his 4.4 or 4.2 yards per carry is the only contribution he has to the run game is asinine. The defense has to cover his runs. That opens up runs elsewhere. That's a fact of reality. What are you even doing? Anyone who knows anything about football is aware that when QB power and zone read are used, defenses have to maintain lane discipline.

Just because I'm annoyed, here's some facts for you:

I tallied every rush the 49ers have done since Lance has been on the team (excluding playoffs due to slight laziness). That includes games in which he played partially, where I divided team carries when Lance was on the field and when he wasn't (this includes one estimation: how many times the team run without him while he was on the field but didn't get significant playing time. I tallied his carries, and by memory assumed there were two carries by Juice that got zero yards; it won't affect anything but the tens place at most).

Here are the 49ers yards per carries with Lance on the field vs with Lance off the field:

No Lance: 4.1

Lance: 5.3

For reference, that's the difference, were it team rushing, between the second best rushing attack in the NFL and the 25th. The 700 or so rushing yards on roughly 130 carries that have occurred with Lance under center have made a disproportionate difference in our rushing numbers.

You said he's good at it, and he's not. Our offense sucks when he plays. You guys talk about how we can't take anything from such a small sample, but want to say he's the reason we have rushed well when he plays. We've had stretches of running the ball well without him, we can't just assume he is the reason.

The guy sucks at running. If he really is the reason we ran the ball well in his few starts, then that won't last because he's not a threat.

He's CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY good at it, as evidenced by the TREMENDOUS jump in yards per carry the team has when he's in the lineup. What he's not good at is passing the football, which is why our offense sucks with him in the lineup.

Are you serious? You really think his RUNNING is why the offense is bad when he's in? He can't throw the ball! That is why the offense is bad when he's in.

How many gifs and videos showing him being a good runner do we have to post? Do I have to go unload images again? Good god, did you even watch him play?

We ran the ball well. We've done it without him too. He can run, but he's not good at it man sorry. You are correlating the teams ypc to him, but it's not all him. This is all Deebo, nothing to do with Trey.

Now watch how BOTH INTERIOR LINEBACKERS are sucked in due to the threat from Lance.

Never mind I don't want this on the last post of this page. But I'll post the image anyway.