Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well that's kind of my point. It didn't look effortless. It looked like he was doing a lot mechanically to control the pace of the ball. It was basically an all arm throw instead of a proper use of his body. I think that's one of the reasons we hear reports of arm fatigue. My point about the pressure was he can get away with making the throw like that because he has the space to do it... even though I don't think he'd be consistently accurate using that kind of motion even in space. The space just allows him to go through his normal motion, or in that case the slowed down version of it.

The top throw here in your most recent post is the best example you've used yet though. No complaints there.

The throw to Deebo was more of what we've already seen. When his feet are right he can fire a laser accurately.

I'm sorry but nothing about that throw looked like it required a lot of work from him to make. It in fact looked effortless & with touch.

You're contradicting yourself. So he can get away with that throw because there's space for him to what? Step into it? And then when there's pressure and he can't step into it, what do you expect him to use? His arm strength.

I've shown you a layered pass that was 20+ yards downfield made effortlessly. I've showed you a one step drop in breaking route. I've showed you an off balance pressure throw that had touch. I showed you a practice throw, throwing on the run side arm made between defenders. I've showed you a quick slant pass.

The problem is people have tried to overanalyze 100 passing attempts and find anything wrong. Ya'll have painted a picture of bad in your head regardless of not seeing him throw a ball since October or it actually not being that bad.

The problem with Trey wasn't ever things he just flat out couldn't do, it is just doing them with a greater degree of consistency. Improved mechanics should help that issue. The sailing passes should not be as frequent as they were. Now they just need to realize that he is not a running quarterback, he should almost never have running plays called for him, least of all QB power where he has to wade through the trenches.

Lol what? He's good at that. It was a freak accident. He did that throughout college and in the NFL, and it helped our run game tremendously. Go look at our run stats with him under center.

What I mean by that:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/162350-why-49ers-run-game-experienced-decline-2022/

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If you can't see that trey is not a dynamic runner, I don't know what to tell you. He looked dynamic against future grocery baggers. He has done NOTHING in the NFL that would indicate he will be a successful runner, especially at this level. He neither has the speed, power, or elusiveness that would suggest otherwise. And we all know how many opportunities Shanahan tried to give him to show he can run.

I'll tell you what I told Buddy Boi. Due to my general annoyance at this asinine argument that comes from people who turned off the TV when Lance came in, I went and tallied up every rush that has occurred since Lance joined the team. His rushing IS A THREAT, and it forces defenses to respect it, whether you believe it or not:

Rushing game without Lance in the line up: 4.1 yards per carry

Rushing game with Lance in the line up: 5.3 yards per carry

As I told Buddy Boi, that's the difference between the second best rushing team in the league and the 25th best.

If YOU can't see that, I DO know what to tell you: you don't know football, or you haven't actually watched games in which Trey played (I find the latter more likely; I am thoroughly convinced you Jimmy stans just turned the tv off when Lance came in).

What does the teams average have to do with lances individual ability to run? Lance didn't contribute to those numbers

Sorry for requoting you but Charlie annoyed me further and made me actually go to the All 22 of the play he posted. This gif right here ought to tell you exactly why the run game is better with Lance. If you can't see it, there's no point in further discussion. Watch the two interior linebackers.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
He's a threat for four or five yards any time they do a QB power. That's something a defense has to respect. And it's why the team averages an extra yard+ per carry when he's in the lineup. How do you people not realize this?

You have just been given film that proves Trey is not the reason for the boost. Deebo breaks of a couple runs like that, and there you have it in such a small sample. Show us why Trey is the reason, numbers on a screen prove nothing

And you've just been given film that proves me right. Look again. Tell me those linebackers are not being sucked in by the threat of Lance. HE SHOOTS HE SCORES GAME OVER.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

He's a threat for four or five yards any time they do a QB power. That's something a defense has to respect. And it's why the team averages an extra yard+ per carry when he's in the lineup. How do you people not realize this?

You have just been given film that proves Trey is not the reason for the boost. Deebo breaks of a couple runs like that, and there you have it in such a small sample. Show us why Trey is the reason, numbers on a screen prove nothing

And you've just been given film that proves me right. Look again. Tell me those linebackers are not being sucked in by the threat of Lance. HE SHOOTS HE SCORES GAME OVER.

Honestly no lol. They see two players pulling to that side and move to that hole. You say it's the threat of lance that made that play, you are so wrong man

The extra benefit to the running game is just another edge Trey has over Sam.

Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
He's a threat for four or five yards any time they do a QB power. That's something a defense has to respect. And it's why the team averages an extra yard+ per carry when he's in the lineup. How do you people not realize this?

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You have just been given film that proves Trey is not the reason for the boost. Deebo breaks of a couple runs like that, and there you have it in such a small sample. Show us why Trey is the reason, numbers on a screen prove nothing

And you've just been given film that proves me right. Look again. Tell me those linebackers are not being sucked in by the threat of Lance. HE SHOOTS HE SCORES GAME OVER.

Honestly no lol. They see two players pulling to that side and move to that hole. You say it's the threat of lance that made that play, you are so wrong man

Honestly, LOL. I knew this denial would be entertaining. THERE IS NO BACK BESIDES TREY other than Deebo, who is on the opposite side of the direction they are pulling. Trey was the ONLY threat to follow the blocks. They're watching the mesh point. It's Trey that is the threat here that pulls them in.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

You don't know the game if you don't think two lineman pulling to a certain is hole is what got those Lbs to move toward that hole

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

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It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

You don't know the game if you don't think two lineman pulling to a certain is hole is what got those Lbs to move toward that hole

You don't know the game if you don't think defenses don't pay attention to the offensive alignment presnap. Deebo is the strong side. The pull is to the strong side. Deebo's motion at the snap is to the weak side. The QB is the threat to follow the pull. It's not a surprise play. The linebackers knew the 49ers like to run QB power. The 49ers have taken a second running back and replaced it with Trey. If there was another back on the weak side, then that running back would be the other threat. There isn't one. That makes Trey the interior threat, which is who they are filling those holes to stop.

The point? This isn't a play you run with Jimmy because Jimmy is never going to keep it. It's extra action the defense has to account for that isn't there with Jimmy. It's there with Trey, and that is why the team gains more yards per carry when he is on the field.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

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You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

You don't know the game if you don't think two lineman pulling to a certain is hole is what got those Lbs to move toward that hole

You don't know the game if you don't think defenses don't pay attention to the offensive alignment presnap. Deebo is the strong side. The pull is to the strong side. Deebo's motion at the snap is to the weak side. The QB is the threat to follow the pull. It's not a surprise play. The linebackers knew the 49ers like to run QB power. The 49ers have taken a second running back and replaced it with Trey. If there was another back on the weak side, then that running back would be the other threat. There isn't one. That makes Trey the interior threat, which is who they are filling those holes to stop.

The point? This isn't a play you run with Jimmy because Jimmy is never going to keep it. It's extra action the defense has to account for that isn't there with Jimmy. It's there with Trey, and that is why the team gains more yards per carry when he is on the field.

Kyle has been getting LBs to take the wrong step for YEARS by pulling lineman. I'm sorry but I'm not going to start giving Trey the credit for that

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

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You don't know the game if you don't think two lineman pulling to a certain is hole is what got those Lbs to move toward that hole

You don't know the game if you don't think defenses don't pay attention to the offensive alignment presnap. Deebo is the strong side. The pull is to the strong side. Deebo's motion at the snap is to the weak side. The QB is the threat to follow the pull. It's not a surprise play. The linebackers knew the 49ers like to run QB power. The 49ers have taken a second running back and replaced it with Trey. If there was another back on the weak side, then that running back would be the other threat. There isn't one. That makes Trey the interior threat, which is who they are filling those holes to stop.

The point? This isn't a play you run with Jimmy because Jimmy is never going to keep it. It's extra action the defense has to account for that isn't there with Jimmy. It's there with Trey, and that is why the team gains more yards per carry when he is on the field.

Kyle has been getting LBs to take the wrong step for YEARS by pulling lineman. I'm sorry but I'm not going to start giving Trey the credit for that

And yet, 4.1 yards per carry without Trey and 5.3 yards per carry with Trey. What's your magical explanation for that? That isn't some tiny amount. As I already pointed out, that's the difference between the 2nd best run team and the 25th.

The only reasonable explanation is that I'm right: defenses have an extra thing they have to pay attention to with respect to the run game with Trey is on the field. The yards per carry show it. And the film shows it. That's the most reasonable answer. I suppose maybe you can say that because he can throw deep they're not putting as many in the box, but I highly doubt that, and don't feel like rewatching two years of games and taking note about coverage for a long shot explanation. The most likely one is clear: Trey affords the team to call additional run concepts because he can take it up the middle for four, five, six yards a pop.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

You don't know the game if you don't think two lineman pulling to a certain is hole is what got those Lbs to move toward that hole

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You don't know the game if you don't think defenses don't pay attention to the offensive alignment presnap. Deebo is the strong side. The pull is to the strong side. Deebo's motion at the snap is to the weak side. The QB is the threat to follow the pull. It's not a surprise play. The linebackers knew the 49ers like to run QB power. The 49ers have taken a second running back and replaced it with Trey. If there was another back on the weak side, then that running back would be the other threat. There isn't one. That makes Trey the interior threat, which is who they are filling those holes to stop.

The point? This isn't a play you run with Jimmy because Jimmy is never going to keep it. It's extra action the defense has to account for that isn't there with Jimmy. It's there with Trey, and that is why the team gains more yards per carry when he is on the field.

Kyle has been getting LBs to take the wrong step for YEARS by pulling lineman. I'm sorry but I'm not going to start giving Trey the credit for that

And yet, 4.1 yards per carry without Trey and 5.3 yards per carry with Trey. What's your magical explanation for that? That isn't some tiny amount. As I already pointed out, that's the difference between the 2nd best run team and the 25th.

The only reasonable explanation is that I'm right: defenses have an extra thing they have to pay attention to with respect to the run game with Trey is on the field. The yards per carry show it. And the film shows it. That's the most reasonable answer. I suppose maybe you can say that because he can throw deep they're not putting as many in the box, but I highly doubt that, and don't feel like rewatching two years of games and taking note about coverage for a long shot explanation. The most likely one is clear: Trey affords the team to call additional run concepts because he can take it up the middle for four, five, six yards a pop.

I just showed you a 50 yard run that had nothing to do with Trey. He is a garbage runner compared to the real dual threats. In a 4 game sample the numbers can easily be skewed by those kinds of plays. I've seen the 9ers really dominate on the ground, and Trey has never been a part of it

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

You don't know the game if you don't think two lineman pulling to a certain is hole is what got those Lbs to move toward that hole

You don't know the game if you don't think defenses don't pay attention to the offensive alignment presnap. Deebo is the strong side. The pull is to the strong side. Deebo's motion at the snap is to the weak side. The QB is the threat to follow the pull. It's not a surprise play. The linebackers knew the 49ers like to run QB power. The 49ers have taken a second running back and replaced it with Trey. If there was another back on the weak side, then that running back would be the other threat. There isn't one. That makes Trey the interior threat, which is who they are filling those holes to stop.

The point? This isn't a play you run with Jimmy because Jimmy is never going to keep it. It's extra action the defense has to account for that isn't there with Jimmy. It's there with Trey, and that is why the team gains more yards per carry when he is on the field.

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Kyle has been getting LBs to take the wrong step for YEARS by pulling lineman. I'm sorry but I'm not going to start giving Trey the credit for that

And yet, 4.1 yards per carry without Trey and 5.3 yards per carry with Trey. What's your magical explanation for that? That isn't some tiny amount. As I already pointed out, that's the difference between the 2nd best run team and the 25th.

The only reasonable explanation is that I'm right: defenses have an extra thing they have to pay attention to with respect to the run game with Trey is on the field. The yards per carry show it. And the film shows it. That's the most reasonable answer. I suppose maybe you can say that because he can throw deep they're not putting as many in the box, but I highly doubt that, and don't feel like rewatching two years of games and taking note about coverage for a long shot explanation. The most likely one is clear: Trey affords the team to call additional run concepts because he can take it up the middle for four, five, six yards a pop.

I just showed you a 50 yard run that had nothing to do with Trey. He is a garbage runner compared to the real dual threats. In a 4 game sample the numbers can easily be skewed by those kinds of plays. I've seen the 9ers really dominate on the ground, and Trey has never been a part of it

You showed me a 50 yard run that showed linebackers respecting a run with Trey. There was no other back in the back field and Deebo was going the opposite direction of those pulling linemen. Trey was the threat they were following.

I mean I think I can find several examples of the QB making the linebacker hesitate. It's not like this is a rare thing. For example, the first run here, watch the interior linebackers.



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