Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

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Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

You don't know the game if you don't think two lineman pulling to a certain is hole is what got those Lbs to move toward that hole

You don't know the game if you don't think defenses don't pay attention to the offensive alignment presnap. Deebo is the strong side. The pull is to the strong side. Deebo's motion at the snap is to the weak side. The QB is the threat to follow the pull. It's not a surprise play. The linebackers knew the 49ers like to run QB power. The 49ers have taken a second running back and replaced it with Trey. If there was another back on the weak side, then that running back would be the other threat. There isn't one. That makes Trey the interior threat, which is who they are filling those holes to stop.

The point? This isn't a play you run with Jimmy because Jimmy is never going to keep it. It's extra action the defense has to account for that isn't there with Jimmy. It's there with Trey, and that is why the team gains more yards per carry when he is on the field.

Kyle has been getting LBs to take the wrong step for YEARS by pulling lineman. I'm sorry but I'm not going to start giving Trey the credit for that

And yet, 4.1 yards per carry without Trey and 5.3 yards per carry with Trey. What's your magical explanation for that? That isn't some tiny amount. As I already pointed out, that's the difference between the 2nd best run team and the 25th.

The only reasonable explanation is that I'm right: defenses have an extra thing they have to pay attention to with respect to the run game with Trey is on the field. The yards per carry show it. And the film shows it. That's the most reasonable answer. I suppose maybe you can say that because he can throw deep they're not putting as many in the box, but I highly doubt that, and don't feel like rewatching two years of games and taking note about coverage for a long shot explanation. The most likely one is clear: Trey affords the team to call additional run concepts because he can take it up the middle for four, five, six yards a pop.

I just showed you a 50 yard run that had nothing to do with Trey. He is a garbage runner compared to the real dual threats. In a 4 game sample the numbers can easily be skewed by those kinds of plays. I've seen the 9ers really dominate on the ground, and Trey has never been a part of it

You showed me a 50 yard run that showed linebackers respecting a run with Trey. There was no other back in the back field and Deebo was going the opposite direction of those pulling linemen. Trey was the threat they were following.

They read the lineman and move that way without Trey. We've seen it for years but you want to give Trey credit for it, I'm not going to go that far

And you do know NFL teams run counters, right? Lance was not the only threat to come through that hole.

First 2 plays on these highlights, a 6 yard run and 30 yard run that have nothing to do with Trey. Using numbers from a 4 game sample isn't going to get you accurate projections for what Trey brings to the run game. It looks to me like Deebo just dominated bad run defenses and you're giving Trey the credit

Here's another. So many



This is what the zone-read and QB power does! That's the entire strategic point to them! They make the defense play 11 on 11. How many times have you heard that cliche? It's not borne out of thin air.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

You don't know the game if you don't think two lineman pulling to a certain is hole is what got those Lbs to move toward that hole

You don't know the game if you don't think defenses don't pay attention to the offensive alignment presnap. Deebo is the strong side. The pull is to the strong side. Deebo's motion at the snap is to the weak side. The QB is the threat to follow the pull. It's not a surprise play. The linebackers knew the 49ers like to run QB power. The 49ers have taken a second running back and replaced it with Trey. If there was another back on the weak side, then that running back would be the other threat. There isn't one. That makes Trey the interior threat, which is who they are filling those holes to stop.

The point? This isn't a play you run with Jimmy because Jimmy is never going to keep it. It's extra action the defense has to account for that isn't there with Jimmy. It's there with Trey, and that is why the team gains more yards per carry when he is on the field.

Kyle has been getting LBs to take the wrong step for YEARS by pulling lineman. I'm sorry but I'm not going to start giving Trey the credit for that

And yet, 4.1 yards per carry without Trey and 5.3 yards per carry with Trey. What's your magical explanation for that? That isn't some tiny amount. As I already pointed out, that's the difference between the 2nd best run team and the 25th.

The only reasonable explanation is that I'm right: defenses have an extra thing they have to pay attention to with respect to the run game with Trey is on the field. The yards per carry show it. And the film shows it. That's the most reasonable answer. I suppose maybe you can say that because he can throw deep they're not putting as many in the box, but I highly doubt that, and don't feel like rewatching two years of games and taking note about coverage for a long shot explanation. The most likely one is clear: Trey affords the team to call additional run concepts because he can take it up the middle for four, five, six yards a pop.

I just showed you a 50 yard run that had nothing to do with Trey. He is a garbage runner compared to the real dual threats. In a 4 game sample the numbers can easily be skewed by those kinds of plays. I've seen the 9ers really dominate on the ground, and Trey has never been a part of it

You showed me a 50 yard run that showed linebackers respecting a run with Trey. There was no other back in the back field and Deebo was going the opposite direction of those pulling linemen. Trey was the threat they were following.

They read the lineman and move that way without Trey. We've seen it for years but you want to give Trey credit for it, I'm not going to go that far

And you do know NFL teams run counters, right? Lance was not the only threat to come through that hole.

First 2 plays on these highlights, a 6 yard run and 30 yard run that have nothing to do with Trey. Using numbers from a 4 game sample isn't going to get you accurate projections for what Trey brings to the run game. It looks to me like Deebo just dominated bad run defenses and you're giving Trey the credit

You kidding me? The very first play look what number 4 does, the safety, the one guy who could fill the hole if he doesn't take a false step inside and then back, before running right.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

You don't know the game if you don't think two lineman pulling to a certain is hole is what got those Lbs to move toward that hole

You don't know the game if you don't think defenses don't pay attention to the offensive alignment presnap. Deebo is the strong side. The pull is to the strong side. Deebo's motion at the snap is to the weak side. The QB is the threat to follow the pull. It's not a surprise play. The linebackers knew the 49ers like to run QB power. The 49ers have taken a second running back and replaced it with Trey. If there was another back on the weak side, then that running back would be the other threat. There isn't one. That makes Trey the interior threat, which is who they are filling those holes to stop.

The point? This isn't a play you run with Jimmy because Jimmy is never going to keep it. It's extra action the defense has to account for that isn't there with Jimmy. It's there with Trey, and that is why the team gains more yards per carry when he is on the field.

Guys, any more "you don't know the game" garbage from either of you and you are out. Look up the word OPINION in the dictionary and accept that this is what you are discussing

And the second play look at 58. Clearly watching the mesh point to react to where the run actually goes, instead of attacking the logical place the run would go if not for the threat of the QB run.

I mean, are you kidding me? 0/2 on this video. Come on man.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

You don't know the game if you don't think two lineman pulling to a certain is hole is what got those Lbs to move toward that hole

You don't know the game if you don't think defenses don't pay attention to the offensive alignment presnap. Deebo is the strong side. The pull is to the strong side. Deebo's motion at the snap is to the weak side. The QB is the threat to follow the pull. It's not a surprise play. The linebackers knew the 49ers like to run QB power. The 49ers have taken a second running back and replaced it with Trey. If there was another back on the weak side, then that running back would be the other threat. There isn't one. That makes Trey the interior threat, which is who they are filling those holes to stop.

The point? This isn't a play you run with Jimmy because Jimmy is never going to keep it. It's extra action the defense has to account for that isn't there with Jimmy. It's there with Trey, and that is why the team gains more yards per carry when he is on the field.

Guys, any more "you don't know the game" garbage from either of you and you are out. Look up the word OPINION in the dictionary and accept that this is what you are discussing

Fair enough regarding the ad hominem. I won't do it anymore. But, I maintain that defenders taking false steps or waiting until after the mesh action to react is not a matter of opinion.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

You don't know the game if you don't think two lineman pulling to a certain is hole is what got those Lbs to move toward that hole

You don't know the game if you don't think defenses don't pay attention to the offensive alignment presnap. Deebo is the strong side. The pull is to the strong side. Deebo's motion at the snap is to the weak side. The QB is the threat to follow the pull. It's not a surprise play. The linebackers knew the 49ers like to run QB power. The 49ers have taken a second running back and replaced it with Trey. If there was another back on the weak side, then that running back would be the other threat. There isn't one. That makes Trey the interior threat, which is who they are filling those holes to stop.

The point? This isn't a play you run with Jimmy because Jimmy is never going to keep it. It's extra action the defense has to account for that isn't there with Jimmy. It's there with Trey, and that is why the team gains more yards per carry when he is on the field.

Kyle has been getting LBs to take the wrong step for YEARS by pulling lineman. I'm sorry but I'm not going to start giving Trey the credit for that

And yet, 4.1 yards per carry without Trey and 5.3 yards per carry with Trey. What's your magical explanation for that? That isn't some tiny amount. As I already pointed out, that's the difference between the 2nd best run team and the 25th.

The only reasonable explanation is that I'm right: defenses have an extra thing they have to pay attention to with respect to the run game with Trey is on the field. The yards per carry show it. And the film shows it. That's the most reasonable answer. I suppose maybe you can say that because he can throw deep they're not putting as many in the box, but I highly doubt that, and don't feel like rewatching two years of games and taking note about coverage for a long shot explanation. The most likely one is clear: Trey affords the team to call additional run concepts because he can take it up the middle for four, five, six yards a pop.

I just showed you a 50 yard run that had nothing to do with Trey. He is a garbage runner compared to the real dual threats. In a 4 game sample the numbers can easily be skewed by those kinds of plays. I've seen the 9ers really dominate on the ground, and Trey has never been a part of it

You showed me a 50 yard run that showed linebackers respecting a run with Trey. There was no other back in the back field and Deebo was going the opposite direction of those pulling linemen. Trey was the threat they were following.

They read the lineman and move that way without Trey. We've seen it for years but you want to give Trey credit for it, I'm not going to go that far

And you do know NFL teams run counters, right? Lance was not the only threat to come through that hole.

First 2 plays on these highlights, a 6 yard run and 30 yard run that have nothing to do with Trey. Using numbers from a 4 game sample isn't going to get you accurate projections for what Trey brings to the run game. It looks to me like Deebo just dominated bad run defenses and you're giving Trey the credit

You kidding me? The very first play look what number 4 does, the safety, the one guy who could fill the hole if he doesn't take a false step inside and then back, before running right.

We can run that with any QB. There's a bull crap fake screen to other side that he bites on for a split second. You give Trey too much credit

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

You don't know the game if you don't think two lineman pulling to a certain is hole is what got those Lbs to move toward that hole

You don't know the game if you don't think defenses don't pay attention to the offensive alignment presnap. Deebo is the strong side. The pull is to the strong side. Deebo's motion at the snap is to the weak side. The QB is the threat to follow the pull. It's not a surprise play. The linebackers knew the 49ers like to run QB power. The 49ers have taken a second running back and replaced it with Trey. If there was another back on the weak side, then that running back would be the other threat. There isn't one. That makes Trey the interior threat, which is who they are filling those holes to stop.

The point? This isn't a play you run with Jimmy because Jimmy is never going to keep it. It's extra action the defense has to account for that isn't there with Jimmy. It's there with Trey, and that is why the team gains more yards per carry when he is on the field.

Kyle has been getting LBs to take the wrong step for YEARS by pulling lineman. I'm sorry but I'm not going to start giving Trey the credit for that

And yet, 4.1 yards per carry without Trey and 5.3 yards per carry with Trey. What's your magical explanation for that? That isn't some tiny amount. As I already pointed out, that's the difference between the 2nd best run team and the 25th.

The only reasonable explanation is that I'm right: defenses have an extra thing they have to pay attention to with respect to the run game with Trey is on the field. The yards per carry show it. And the film shows it. That's the most reasonable answer. I suppose maybe you can say that because he can throw deep they're not putting as many in the box, but I highly doubt that, and don't feel like rewatching two years of games and taking note about coverage for a long shot explanation. The most likely one is clear: Trey affords the team to call additional run concepts because he can take it up the middle for four, five, six yards a pop.

I just showed you a 50 yard run that had nothing to do with Trey. He is a garbage runner compared to the real dual threats. In a 4 game sample the numbers can easily be skewed by those kinds of plays. I've seen the 9ers really dominate on the ground, and Trey has never been a part of it

You showed me a 50 yard run that showed linebackers respecting a run with Trey. There was no other back in the back field and Deebo was going the opposite direction of those pulling linemen. Trey was the threat they were following.

They read the lineman and move that way without Trey. We've seen it for years but you want to give Trey credit for it, I'm not going to go that far

And you do know NFL teams run counters, right? Lance was not the only threat to come through that hole.

First 2 plays on these highlights, a 6 yard run and 30 yard run that have nothing to do with Trey. Using numbers from a 4 game sample isn't going to get you accurate projections for what Trey brings to the run game. It looks to me like Deebo just dominated bad run defenses and you're giving Trey the credit

You kidding me? The very first play look what number 4 does, the safety, the one guy who could fill the hole if he doesn't take a false step inside and then back, before running right.

We can run that with any QB. There's a bull crap fake screen to other side that he bites on for a split second. You give Trey too much credit

I'm not giving him too much credit. His net contribution is a negative.

The run game is better with him in the line up. That's a fact. But the pass game is a lot worse with him in the line up. That's also a fact. His benefits to the running game are thoroughly overwhelmed by his liability to the pass game.

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If he wasn't a liability in the pass game, though, he'd be a very useful QB.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

And the second play look at 58. Clearly watching the mesh point to react to where the run actually goes, instead of attacking the logical place the run would go if not for the threat of the QB run.

I mean, are you kidding me? 0/2 on this video. Come on man.

Lol he plays the play just like anyone would. You are trying too hard to say it's because of Trey. Those are all Deebo. It's like taking one play where Trey went deep and Jimmy went short and saying he reads the field better than Jimmy lol. You jump to some crazy conclusions

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

It's because of Kyles scheme and two player pulling to that side that the LBs get sucked towards that hole. You can give Trey the credit, but I honestly don't see it

You don't see it because you don't want to. There is no one in the backfield but Trey and Deebo, and Deebo is on the opposite side of where the pull is coming from. I am, literally, laughing.

You don't know the game if you don't think two lineman pulling to a certain is hole is what got those Lbs to move toward that hole

You don't know the game if you don't think defenses don't pay attention to the offensive alignment presnap. Deebo is the strong side. The pull is to the strong side. Deebo's motion at the snap is to the weak side. The QB is the threat to follow the pull. It's not a surprise play. The linebackers knew the 49ers like to run QB power. The 49ers have taken a second running back and replaced it with Trey. If there was another back on the weak side, then that running back would be the other threat. There isn't one. That makes Trey the interior threat, which is who they are filling those holes to stop.

The point? This isn't a play you run with Jimmy because Jimmy is never going to keep it. It's extra action the defense has to account for that isn't there with Jimmy. It's there with Trey, and that is why the team gains more yards per carry when he is on the field.

Kyle has been getting LBs to take the wrong step for YEARS by pulling lineman. I'm sorry but I'm not going to start giving Trey the credit for that

And yet, 4.1 yards per carry without Trey and 5.3 yards per carry with Trey. What's your magical explanation for that? That isn't some tiny amount. As I already pointed out, that's the difference between the 2nd best run team and the 25th.

The only reasonable explanation is that I'm right: defenses have an extra thing they have to pay attention to with respect to the run game with Trey is on the field. The yards per carry show it. And the film shows it. That's the most reasonable answer. I suppose maybe you can say that because he can throw deep they're not putting as many in the box, but I highly doubt that, and don't feel like rewatching two years of games and taking note about coverage for a long shot explanation. The most likely one is clear: Trey affords the team to call additional run concepts because he can take it up the middle for four, five, six yards a pop.

I just showed you a 50 yard run that had nothing to do with Trey. He is a garbage runner compared to the real dual threats. In a 4 game sample the numbers can easily be skewed by those kinds of plays. I've seen the 9ers really dominate on the ground, and Trey has never been a part of it

You showed me a 50 yard run that showed linebackers respecting a run with Trey. There was no other back in the back field and Deebo was going the opposite direction of those pulling linemen. Trey was the threat they were following.

They read the lineman and move that way without Trey. We've seen it for years but you want to give Trey credit for it, I'm not going to go that far

And you do know NFL teams run counters, right? Lance was not the only threat to come through that hole.

First 2 plays on these highlights, a 6 yard run and 30 yard run that have nothing to do with Trey. Using numbers from a 4 game sample isn't going to get you accurate projections for what Trey brings to the run game. It looks to me like Deebo just dominated bad run defenses and you're giving Trey the credit

You kidding me? The very first play look what number 4 does, the safety, the one guy who could fill the hole if he doesn't take a false step inside and then back, before running right.

We can run that with any QB. There's a bull crap fake screen to other side that he bites on for a split second. You give Trey too much credit

I'm not giving him too much credit. His net contribution is a negative.

The run game is better with him in the line up. That's a fact. But the pass game is a lot worse with him in the line up. That's also a fact. His benefits to the running game are thoroughly overwhelmed by his liability to the pass game.

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If he wasn't a liability in the pass game, though, he'd be a very useful QB.

You are giving him too much credit for those runs I showed you. We have ran the ball well, because Deebo has happened to break off some big runs for him. I don't correlate the success in those few games directly to Trey

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Since I know it will have to be spelled out, because people don't want to accept what is in front of their eyes, YES, Deebo juked the defensive end. But because of Lance, those two linebackers were not able to get an angle on Deebo. Either one of them could have made that an eight yard gain if they weren't worried about Lance taking it up the middle. I look forward to the laughable denial about this.

There's a reason why the Deebo runs weren't effective once Trey went down. Defenses could just key in on Deebo cause they knew Jimmy or Brock weren't gonna keep the ball and run.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
There's a reason why the Deebo runs weren't effective once Trey went down. Defenses could just key in on Deebo cause they knew Jimmy or Brock weren't gonna keep the ball and run.

He had other games last season that were in line with what he averaged with Trey in his 5 quarters at QB. And his best season running was with Jimmy G at QB.

Also not playing the Bears and Seahawks defense every week probably doesn't help.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Here's another. So many



This is what the zone-read and QB power does! That's the entire strategic point to them! They make the defense play 11 on 11. How many times have you heard that cliche? It's not borne out of thin air.

Looks like SF when they play against the read

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
And the second play look at 58. Clearly watching the mesh point to react to where the run actually goes, instead of attacking the logical place the run would go if not for the threat of the QB run.

I mean, are you kidding me? 0/2 on this video. Come on man.

Lol he plays the play just like anyone would. You are trying too hard to say it's because of Trey. Those are all Deebo. It's like taking one play where Trey went deep and Jimmy went short and saying he reads the field better than Jimmy lol. You jump to some crazy conclusions

I use that one play because it's the most convenient one. You can tell Trey is not predetermining where he's throwing all the time because he's a tick late sometimes as he surveys and then reacts. You can tell Jimmy is predetermining because he'll look right in the direction of a wide open guy and throw to someone else, like he did twice in the red zone in the Super Bowl (which cost us 8 points). Jimmy is looking off the defense there, executing a series of steps he planned before the ball was snapped. Trey is a watch and reactor. He's not sticking to his predetermined plan. He's watching and trying to react. That gets him in trouble because he isn't experienced enough to anticipate where things are going to go, making him a tick late sometimes.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
He had other games last season that were in line with what he averaged with Trey in his 5 quarters at QB. And his best season running was with Jimmy G at QB.

Also not playing the Bears and Seahawks defense every week probably doesn't help.

Regarding the Seahawks, the 49ers ran the ball 45 times for 189 yards. EXCLUDING Deebo's 51 yard run, the 49ers had 57 rushing yards on 11 carries with Lance under center, for an average of 5.2 yards per carry. The rest of the game they had 81 yards on 33 carries for an average of 2.5. right there in the same game you see the difference with Lance, and I've EXCLUDED that 51 yard run in which two linebackers clearly respected Lance's ability to run behind the pulling linemen.