Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

So I guess we aren't going to get any reports on how players are performing, Unless the media is there?

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

Foreward written by the author of Oof the 4th Quarter, a Jimmy G Playoff Story

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

Foreward written by the author of Oof the 4th Quarter, a Jimmy G Playoff Story

lol

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I think the good news would be that if Trey emerges as the starter, it would indicate a significant improvement in his ability to execute in the pass game. I think it would be safe to assume the gameplan and offense would look different accordingly.

And just where in the hell do you get that from? Kyle's tendency to call more run plays with Trey under center has nothing to do with his ability to execute in the pass game. You and others love to draw that conclusion but it simply is not true. All that it means is that the run game performs better when he is under center. Why don't you do some research on whether Kyle prefers running or passing the ball more?

I didn't think his post was anything inflammatory. He's spot on imo. We saw Brock execute the offense at a super high level and it was as a passer. If Trey wins the competition it will be because he shows improved ability as a passer and ability to execute Kyle's offense at a high level.

It wasn't inflammatory, just off base imo. Did the offense have fewer passing yards under Trey than Brock? Yes. Was the ratio of pass to run equal under each? No. Whether that had to do with weather, game planning or available personnel only Kyle knows. But to say that Kyle called more pass plays for Brock than Trey because Trey wasn't able to execute the pass game is a falsehood.

You don't know that at all. Kyle would never say that if it was true because that would hurt Trey's confidence. It is undeniable that Brock got more passing attempts given to him, but nobody can say why but Kyle.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Preseason can't come soon enough.. Watching this talking in circles is absolutely unbearable.

Preseason won't change too much of it. Every bad play will be because Trey sucks and every good play will be because of everyone else. Rinse and repeat.

I don't think Kyle risks playing Trey in preseason. We need all the QB's we can keep healthy.
And Kyle doesn't like preseason games.

Trey better be playing in the preseason. He needs to play all the full contact tackle football he possibly can.

Absolutely. Especially if he ever wants to have a good NFL career. And frankly, if he's our back up or even our third string, he needs all the reps he can get for the sake of the team as well.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Fair enough regarding the ad hominem. I won't do it anymore. But, I maintain that defenders taking false steps or waiting until after the mesh action to react is not a matter of opinion.

You are correct though.

Absolutely correct.

Rings is obliterating Charlie in this argument, if you can even call it that.

Any Trey homer will think that Truth is I proved it with film that Deebo was breaking off huge runs and Trey had nothing to do with it. Watch the Deebo highlights up until Trey gets injured. All long runs from Deebo that had nothing to do with Trey

Am not nor have I ever been a "Trey homer."

Nice try though.

I think that's what they call "projection."

It is the mental process by which people attribute to others what is in their own minds. In projection, what is internal is seen as external.

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

No, he got injured in the beginning of his fourth start.
1. Arizona - scored 10
2. Texans - 23? I think. We scored less against the Texans than only like 2-3 teams that year. One being the urban Meyer jags and another was the horrible Colts. So not a good look.
3. Bears - there was a monsoon but it didn't start until the fourth. It was raining but it wasn't bad until the fourth. Still only managed 10 points in 3 quarters of rough weather. Bears scored in that weather before it came pouring down, so I don't look at it as an excuse. It was a poorly executed game on offense overall.
4. Seahawks - injured in the beginning. One red zone trip and came away with 3. I believe he got injured in the second trip to the redzone, if I remember.

fact is, in 12 full quarters of play, he's only scored a touchdown in 1.5 of them. Scoring touchdowns is something Lance has to get better et if he wants to become the starter. The rest of his touchdowns came on trick packages when he wasn't the starter. Lance managed 2 passing TDs in three games (both against Houston) and 0 rushing touchdowns.

gaining yards is worthless if you can't score, you'll never beat any good team that way, or compete for a chip. Lance has to get on or near Brock's ability to score. He tied the all time record for most connective starts to a career with 2+ passing TDs. That's the stuff that is important.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Fair enough regarding the ad hominem. I won't do it anymore. But, I maintain that defenders taking false steps or waiting until after the mesh action to react is not a matter of opinion.

You are correct though.

Absolutely correct.

Rings is obliterating Charlie in this argument, if you can even call it that.

Any Trey homer will think that Truth is I proved it with film that Deebo was breaking off huge runs and Trey had nothing to do with it. Watch the Deebo highlights up until Trey gets injured. All long runs from Deebo that had nothing to do with Trey

Am not nor have I ever been a "Trey homer."

Nice try though.

I think that's what they call "projection."

It is the mental process by which people attribute to others what is in their own minds. In projection, what is internal is seen as external.

I'm not sure how it makes me feel good about myself that you guys are Trey homers, but alright lol

Anybody that goes to bat for Trey and defends him like he's Joe Montana, is a Trey homer. This kid just learned how to throw a football a few weeks ago, we should all just be in wait and see mode right now. Getting drafted high isn't enough to make me attached to him, he has to actually do something (and to me he never has looked good, not even his college tape)

I didn't particularly like his college tape either, other than the deep ball and the plays off of QB power. But he was definitely not the guy I wanted us drafting—until I investigated his character, at which point I became okay with us drafting him (or Field or Jones). So, if he has in fact (and continues) to improve his central weakness (accuracy) and get better at quick reaction stuff, the stance that he should be drafted based on physical talent combined with dedication and character would be shown to be a good choice. If he doesn't have the ability to develop as a passer, then it's a wrong choice. But rest assured, the 49ers drafted him because they felt he had the character to FIX himself and maximize his potential, not because of what he was coming out of college. I believe they've even explicitly stated this a couple of times.

It may be moot though, due to Brock Purdy. If Purdy gets better or even remains as he was at the end of last year, it might not matter much.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

No, he got injured in the beginning of his fourth start.
1. Arizona - scored 10
2. Texans - 23? I think. We scored less against the Texans than only like 2-3 teams that year. One being the urban Meyer jags and another was the horrible Colts. So not a good look.
3. Bears - there was a monsoon but it didn't start until the fourth. It was raining but it wasn't bad until the fourth. Still only managed 10 points in 3 quarters of rough weather. Bears scored in that weather before it came pouring down, so I don't look at it as an excuse. It was a poorly executed game on offense overall.
4. Seahawks - injured in the beginning. One red zone trip and came away with 3. I believe he got injured in the second trip to the redzone, if I remember.

fact is, in 12 full quarters of play, he's only scored a touchdown in 1.5 of them. Scoring touchdowns is something Lance has to get better et if he wants to become the starter. The rest of his touchdowns came on trick packages when he wasn't the starter. Lance managed 2 passing TDs in three games (both against Houston) and 0 rushing touchdowns.

gaining yards is worthless if you can't score, you'll never beat any good team that way, or compete for a chip. Lance has to get on or near Brock's ability to score. He tied the all time record for most connective starts to a career with 2+ passing TDs. That's the stuff that is important.

Bruh he literally was already playing with an injured finger against Arizona and injured his knee diving for the end zone on a 4th down in Arizona with 4:52 remaining in the 1st quarter. This is the injury that kept him out of uniform against the Colts the next game.

EDIT: I may be mistaken on whether or not that is the specific play, but it definitely happened against the Cardinals. You may call him injury prone. But you may not deny that he got hurt against the Cardinals.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

No, he got injured in the beginning of his fourth start.
1. Arizona - scored 10
2. Texans - 23? I think. We scored less against the Texans than only like 2-3 teams that year. One being the urban Meyer jags and another was the horrible Colts. So not a good look.
3. Bears - there was a monsoon but it didn't start until the fourth. It was raining but it wasn't bad until the fourth. Still only managed 10 points in 3 quarters of rough weather. Bears scored in that weather before it came pouring down, so I don't look at it as an excuse. It was a poorly executed game on offense overall.
4. Seahawks - injured in the beginning. One red zone trip and came away with 3. I believe he got injured in the second trip to the redzone, if I remember.

fact is, in 12 full quarters of play, he's only scored a touchdown in 1.5 of them. Scoring touchdowns is something Lance has to get better et if he wants to become the starter. The rest of his touchdowns came on trick packages when he wasn't the starter. Lance managed 2 passing TDs in three games (both against Houston) and 0 rushing touchdowns.

gaining yards is worthless if you can't score, you'll never beat any good team that way, or compete for a chip. Lance has to get on or near Brock's ability to score. He tied the all time record for most connective starts to a career with 2+ passing TDs. That's the stuff that is important.

Bruh he literally was already playing with an injured finger against Arizona and injured his knee diving for the end zone on a 4th down in Arizona with 4:52 remaining in the 1st quarter. This is the injury that kept him out of uniform against the Colts the next game.

Doesn't matter what the excuse is. He still hasn't done it. Yes, I'm sure being injured hurt his play, doesn't change the fact he couldn't score. He was able to score in trick packages with that finger? Why couldn't he score as the starter?

in sports, all that matters is if you do or you don't. Fact he, he struggles to lead the offense to touchdowns when he is the starter. He has to figure that out if he wants any chance of taking the starting job. I'm not attacking him, it's a simple fact.

Brock was in so much pain they weren't sure if he could play or throw, he still had an awesome game on the road against a division rival for the division title. Either you can do it or you can't. Trey hasn't yet, I hope him being healthy and improved changes that.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

No, he got injured in the beginning of his fourth start.
1. Arizona - scored 10
2. Texans - 23? I think. We scored less against the Texans than only like 2-3 teams that year. One being the urban Meyer jags and another was the horrible Colts. So not a good look.
3. Bears - there was a monsoon but it didn't start until the fourth. It was raining but it wasn't bad until the fourth. Still only managed 10 points in 3 quarters of rough weather. Bears scored in that weather before it came pouring down, so I don't look at it as an excuse. It was a poorly executed game on offense overall.
4. Seahawks - injured in the beginning. One red zone trip and came away with 3. I believe he got injured in the second trip to the redzone, if I remember.

fact is, in 12 full quarters of play, he's only scored a touchdown in 1.5 of them. Scoring touchdowns is something Lance has to get better et if he wants to become the starter. The rest of his touchdowns came on trick packages when he wasn't the starter. Lance managed 2 passing TDs in three games (both against Houston) and 0 rushing touchdowns.

gaining yards is worthless if you can't score, you'll never beat any good team that way, or compete for a chip. Lance has to get on or near Brock's ability to score. He tied the all time record for most connective starts to a career with 2+ passing TDs. That's the stuff that is important.

Bruh he literally was already playing with an injured finger against Arizona and injured his knee diving for the end zone on a 4th down in Arizona with 4:52 remaining in the 1st quarter. This is the injury that kept him out of uniform against the Colts the next game.

Doesn't matter what the excuse is. He still hasn't done it. Yes, I'm sure being injured hurt his play, doesn't change the fact he couldn't score. He was able to score in trick packages with that finger? Why couldn't he score as the starter?

in sports, all that matters is if you do or you don't. Fact he, he struggles to lead the offense to touchdowns when he is the starter. He has to figure that out if he wants any chance of taking the starting job. I'm not attacking him, it's a simple fact.

Brock was in so much pain they weren't sure if he could play or throw, he still had an awesome game on the road against a division rival for the division title. Either you can do it or you can't. Trey hasn't yet, I hope him being healthy and improved changes that.

I'm just arguing the point of fact about when he got injured.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
So I guess we aren't going to get any reports on how players are performing, Unless the media is there?

Tomorrow

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Bruh he literally was already playing with an injured finger against Arizona and injured his knee diving for the end zone on a 4th down in Arizona with 4:52 remaining in the 1st quarter. This is the injury that kept him out of uniform against the Colts the next game.

EDIT: I may be mistaken on whether or not that is the specific play, but it definitely happened against the Cardinals. You may call him injury prone. But you may not deny that he got hurt against the Cardinals.

All our QBs are injury prone

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

No, he got injured in the beginning of his fourth start.
1. Arizona - scored 10
2. Texans - 23? I think. We scored less against the Texans than only like 2-3 teams that year. One being the urban Meyer jags and another was the horrible Colts. So not a good look.
3. Bears - there was a monsoon but it didn't start until the fourth. It was raining but it wasn't bad until the fourth. Still only managed 10 points in 3 quarters of rough weather. Bears scored in that weather before it came pouring down, so I don't look at it as an excuse. It was a poorly executed game on offense overall.
4. Seahawks - injured in the beginning. One red zone trip and came away with 3. I believe he got injured in the second trip to the redzone, if I remember.

fact is, in 12 full quarters of play, he's only scored a touchdown in 1.5 of them. Scoring touchdowns is something Lance has to get better et if he wants to become the starter. The rest of his touchdowns came on trick packages when he wasn't the starter. Lance managed 2 passing TDs in three games (both against Houston) and 0 rushing touchdowns.

gaining yards is worthless if you can't score, you'll never beat any good team that way, or compete for a chip. Lance has to get on or near Brock's ability to score. He tied the all time record for most connective starts to a career with 2+ passing TDs. That's the stuff that is important.

Bruh he literally was already playing with an injured finger against Arizona and injured his knee diving for the end zone on a 4th down in Arizona with 4:52 remaining in the 1st quarter. This is the injury that kept him out of uniform against the Colts the next game.

Doesn't matter what the excuse is. He still hasn't done it. Yes, I'm sure being injured hurt his play, doesn't change the fact he couldn't score. He was able to score in trick packages with that finger? Why couldn't he score as the starter?

in sports, all that matters is if you do or you don't. Fact he, he struggles to lead the offense to touchdowns when he is the starter. He has to figure that out if he wants any chance of taking the starting job. I'm not attacking him, it's a simple fact.

Brock was in so much pain they weren't sure if he could play or throw, he still had an awesome game on the road against a division rival for the division title. Either you can do it or you can't. Trey hasn't yet, I hope him being healthy and improved changes that.

I'm just arguing the point of fact about when he got injured.

Oh hahaha. Got it. I just hate it when people justify overall bad/mediocre play with a ton of excuses. At the end of the day, the best players will figure it out. We just watched Mahomes with all the playoff games/super bowl with a high ankle sprain. Hurts played through a messed up shoulder etc. so when people use "well he didn't have CMC" or "monsoon" or "his finger", it's nonsense to me. Yes, they all play factors in it but they aren't excuses for someone to play a whole game poorly. Only one I can think of is Brock's and he only played the whole game cause he literally had to.

but yeah, I believe Lance hurt his finger against the raiders in 2021 preseason, then knee against the cards in his first start, and then his ankle in his fourth start. Poor guy. Lol I hope his luck turns around going forward.