Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:
Oh hahaha. Got it. I just hate it when people justify overall bad/mediocre play with a ton of excuses. At the end of the day, the best players will figure it out. We just watched Mahomes with all the playoff games/super bowl with a high ankle sprain. Hurts played through a messed up shoulder etc. so when people use "well he didn't have CMC" or "monsoon" or "his finger", it's nonsense to me. Yes, they all play factors in it but they aren't excuses for someone to play a whole game poorly. Only one I can think of is Brock's and he only played the whole game cause he literally had to.

but yeah, I believe Lance hurt his finger against the raiders in 2021 preseason, then knee against the cards in his first start, and then his ankle in his fourth start. Poor guy. Lol I hope his luck turns around going forward.

How is that nonsense? That's fact and context. So Brock not going back and throwing the football in the NFCC is an excuse right? Or is that one reasonable because it's Brock?

Drew Brees broke his finger in the same fashion and couldn't play for 6 weeks (and he didn't play well after) What a bum! Wilson did the same s**t and tried to play through. he looked like s**t the rest of the season.

remember when Jimmy played Baltimore in a washout? We won 9-0. How about when we had a rain storm vs the colts in 2021. We lost to Carson Wentz and Jimmy played like trash (they both did) acting like weather can't be used as context is ridiculous. You ever play football in a rain storm? It's a totally different game.

we got people in here talking up Sam because he didn't have an all-star roster around him….but when Lance doesn't have our all-pro TE or all-pro RB, that's just an excuse? And as a young QB who hasn't played a ton of football? Give me a break…if you don't want to use context because of a narrative then just say it. You're a pretty reasonable poster in here…but I don't agree with that take at all.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

No, he got injured in the beginning of his fourth start.
1. Arizona - scored 10
2. Texans - 23? I think. We scored less against the Texans than only like 2-3 teams that year. One being the urban Meyer jags and another was the horrible Colts. So not a good look.
3. Bears - there was a monsoon but it didn't start until the fourth. It was raining but it wasn't bad until the fourth. Still only managed 10 points in 3 quarters of rough weather. Bears scored in that weather before it came pouring down, so I don't look at it as an excuse. It was a poorly executed game on offense overall.
4. Seahawks - injured in the beginning. One red zone trip and came away with 3. I believe he got injured in the second trip to the redzone, if I remember.

fact is, in 12 full quarters of play, he's only scored a touchdown in 1.5 of them. Scoring touchdowns is something Lance has to get better et if he wants to become the starter. The rest of his touchdowns came on trick packages when he wasn't the starter. Lance managed 2 passing TDs in three games (both against Houston) and 0 rushing touchdowns.

gaining yards is worthless if you can't score, you'll never beat any good team that way, or compete for a chip. Lance has to get on or near Brock's ability to score. He tied the all time record for most connective starts to a career with 2+ passing TDs. That's the stuff that is important.

Bruh he literally was already playing with an injured finger against Arizona and injured his knee diving for the end zone on a 4th down in Arizona with 4:52 remaining in the 1st quarter. This is the injury that kept him out of uniform against the Colts the next game.

Doesn't matter what the excuse is. He still hasn't done it. Yes, I'm sure being injured hurt his play, doesn't change the fact he couldn't score. He was able to score in trick packages with that finger? Why couldn't he score as the starter?

in sports, all that matters is if you do or you don't. Fact he, he struggles to lead the offense to touchdowns when he is the starter. He has to figure that out if he wants any chance of taking the starting job. I'm not attacking him, it's a simple fact.

Brock was in so much pain they weren't sure if he could play or throw, he still had an awesome game on the road against a division rival for the division title. Either you can do it or you can't. Trey hasn't yet, I hope him being healthy and improved changes that.

I'm just arguing the point of fact about when he got injured.

Oh hahaha. Got it. I just hate it when people justify overall bad/mediocre play with a ton of excuses. At the end of the day, the best players will figure it out. We just watched Mahomes with all the playoff games/super bowl with a high ankle sprain. Hurts played through a messed up shoulder etc. so when people use "well he didn't have CMC" or "monsoon" or "his finger", it's nonsense to me. Yes, they all play factors in it but they aren't excuses for someone to play a whole game poorly. Only one I can think of is Brock's and he only played the whole game cause he literally had to.

but yeah, I believe Lance hurt his finger against the raiders in 2021 preseason, then knee against the cards in his first start, and then his ankle in his fourth start. Poor guy. Lol I hope his luck turns around going forward.

Yes, but, in Trey's case it was well known by everyone that he would take time to season due to lack of experience and wonky mechanics. So it's absurd to give up on him UNLESS you stumbled upon a better QB out of the blue—which very well may have happened. Time will tell if Lance will be able to accelerate his development, which unfortunately has been short-circuited by repeated injuries.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

You say 'excuses'. I say facts.

Trey is 23 unlike me and a lotta you. I think he will be just fine given his skillset, his attitude and his work ethic

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

You say 'excuses'. I say facts.

lol if I have to read about the 'monsoon' 1 more time in here
a monsoon where btw, a QB otb while we were otc, walked off the field with a W and 2 TD passes including to a guy we legit cut from roster
what about those facts, if that was a game where weather didn't allow TD passes, why did a guy this board think can't throw have 2 of them in the conditions?
at a certain point, you gotta say it wasn't a great game and move on, you know who said that, Trey Lance, many months ago
yet this thread every page, we gotta use the M word, monsoon.. enough ppl

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

You say 'excuses'. I say facts.

lol if I have to read about the 'monsoon' 1 more time in here
a monsoon where btw, a QB otb while we were otc, walked off the field with a W and 2 TD passes including to a guy we legit cut from roster
what about those facts, if that was a game where weather didn't allow TD passes, why did a guy this board think can't throw have 2 of them in the conditions?
at a certain point, you gotta say it wasn't a great game and move on, you know who said that, Trey Lance, many months ago
yet this thread every page, we gotta use the M word, monsoon.. enough ppl

the way you explained this sounds like person who didn't watch the game

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Trey is 23 unlike me and a lotta you. I think he will be just fine given his skillset, his attitude and his work ethic

There's been hall of fame QBs that took time to develop. Jim Plunkett being one of them. In-game reps are what Trey needs to improve. You can only do so much in practice. The competion between Trey and Lance is going to make both QBs better in the long run. I really think Trey (with Brocks help) is going to tear it up this preseason.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

You say 'excuses'. I say facts.

lol if I have to read about the 'monsoon' 1 more time in here
a monsoon where btw, a QB otb while we were otc, walked off the field with a W and 2 TD passes including to a guy we legit cut from roster
what about those facts, if that was a game where weather didn't allow TD passes, why did a guy this board think can't throw have 2 of them in the conditions?
at a certain point, you gotta say it wasn't a great game and move on, you know who said that, Trey Lance, many months ago
yet this thread every page, we gotta use the M word, monsoon.. enough ppl

the way you explained this sounds like person who didn't watch the game

the old it was only raining hard when TL had the ball.. gimme a break man, maybe if he hits the open Kroft, we're not down 2 scores late, and he doesn't have to throw when it got crazy.. where is that context.. why are we still talking about rain 9 months ago, LilLeeroy brought it up, I didn't, but trust me I will tell it how it was

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

No, he got injured in the beginning of his fourth start.
1. Arizona - scored 10
2. Texans - 23? I think. We scored less against the Texans than only like 2-3 teams that year. One being the urban Meyer jags and another was the horrible Colts. So not a good look.
3. Bears - there was a monsoon but it didn't start until the fourth. It was raining but it wasn't bad until the fourth. Still only managed 10 points in 3 quarters of rough weather. Bears scored in that weather before it came pouring down, so I don't look at it as an excuse. It was a poorly executed game on offense overall.
4. Seahawks - injured in the beginning. One red zone trip and came away with 3. I believe he got injured in the second trip to the redzone, if I remember.

fact is, in 12 full quarters of play, he's only scored a touchdown in 1.5 of them. Scoring touchdowns is something Lance has to get better et if he wants to become the starter. The rest of his touchdowns came on trick packages when he wasn't the starter. Lance managed 2 passing TDs in three games (both against Houston) and 0 rushing touchdowns.

gaining yards is worthless if you can't score, you'll never beat any good team that way, or compete for a chip. Lance has to get on or near Brock's ability to score. He tied the all time record for most connective starts to a career with 2+ passing TDs. That's the stuff that is important.

Bruh he literally was already playing with an injured finger against Arizona and injured his knee diving for the end zone on a 4th down in Arizona with 4:52 remaining in the 1st quarter. This is the injury that kept him out of uniform against the Colts the next game.

Doesn't matter what the excuse is. He still hasn't done it. Yes, I'm sure being injured hurt his play, doesn't change the fact he couldn't score. He was able to score in trick packages with that finger? Why couldn't he score as the starter?

in sports, all that matters is if you do or you don't. Fact he, he struggles to lead the offense to touchdowns when he is the starter. He has to figure that out if he wants any chance of taking the starting job. I'm not attacking him, it's a simple fact.

Brock was in so much pain they weren't sure if he could play or throw, he still had an awesome game on the road against a division rival for the division title. Either you can do it or you can't. Trey hasn't yet, I hope him being healthy and improved changes that.

The one game he had Kittle in they scored 23 points and also had a rushing TD called back due to a holding call and a missed PI call at the end of the first half where Aiyuk would've had a TD if the DB didn't pin his arm back.

Almost like missing your best players somehow impacts performance on the field? Or playing in rain games without those guys.

But that's right to you these are all excuses. And it only becomes context when it fits your narrative right?

How many drops happened in Arizona and Chicago? How many poorly timed penalties? etc..

Putting low scoring all on the QB and then comparing another QB who didn't have the same situation accomplishes nothing. The sample size for both is too small and too different in circumstances around them to make a concrete statement either way.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

You say 'excuses'. I say facts.

lol if I have to read about the 'monsoon' 1 more time in here
a monsoon where btw, a QB otb while we were otc, walked off the field with a W and 2 TD passes including to a guy we legit cut from roster
what about those facts, if that was a game where weather didn't allow TD passes, why did a guy this board think can't throw have 2 of them in the conditions?
at a certain point, you gotta say it wasn't a great game and move on, you know who said that, Trey Lance, many months ago
yet this thread every page, we gotta use the M word, monsoon.. enough ppl

Enough ppl...cuz you don't want to look stupid with you head in the sand?

Lance took the heat like a proper leader should. You know who always played the "we didn't play well enough" card vs using the "I didn't play well enough"? Jimmy G.

You can play the Chicago sucks and Fields beat us with scrubs take as much as you want here are the facts though

Every TD throw Fields had was to a wide open WR and broken coverage.
Every TD throw Fields had in that game came after 49ers committed stupid penalties to extend Chicago drives which would've been punts
49ers had way more penalties in this game
49ers didn't look prepared to play on that field the same level as Chicago did
We had 3 new starters on the OL with 3 combined starts in the NFL between them
Trent Williams got called out by the Bears 5th round rookie who had 1.5 sacks and 2 QB hits in that game then 0 sacks and 0 QB hits in the next 16 games combined.

Those are facts.

It wasn't a great game but you and others love to ignore all the facts that went into that game and how poorly the rest of the team played when the whole talking point with Trey was the team would have his back.

Sad that the word monsoon triggers people.

I take zero, good or bad, from that game.

He could've run out the back of the endzone so there's always a bright spot

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Sad that the word monsoon triggers people.

I take zero, good or bad, from that game.

He could've run out the back of the endzone so there's always a bright spot

I love the people who try to downplay the rain. Had someone act like it didn't really rain until the 4th quarter

Meanwhile this was before opening kickoff...


We may not have a lot of proof about what Trey Lance is or isn't, but we have enough of a sample size of how QBs overall are impacted by rain conditions of this level.

It's rarely pretty, regardless of who the QB is.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

This poster here made excuses in the JG thread for nearly two years. And you have the audacity to post something like this? Miss me with that b******t.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Don't need to score huh? Lance needs to step up his ability to score touchdowns as the starter before we can even talk winning the division. His 14 PPG in his three starts are the issue. Idk why everyone is so mesmerized with yards, they're 1000% irrelevant if you aren't scoring or you're kicking field goals. Lol

im hoping his improved throwing motion & mechanics makes this happen.

His three starts, one in a monsoon and another he got injured on the second drive of the game.

2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

You say 'excuses'. I say facts.

lol if I have to read about the 'monsoon' 1 more time in here
a monsoon where btw, a QB otb while we were otc, walked off the field with a W and 2 TD passes including to a guy we legit cut from roster
what about those facts, if that was a game where weather didn't allow TD passes, why did a guy this board think can't throw have 2 of them in the conditions?
at a certain point, you gotta say it wasn't a great game and move on, you know who said that, Trey Lance, many months ago
yet this thread every page, we gotta use the M word, monsoon.. enough ppl

Enough ppl...cuz you don't want to look stupid with you head in the sand?

Lance took the heat like a proper leader should. You know who always played the "we didn't play well enough" card vs using the "I didn't play well enough"? Jimmy G.

You can play the Chicago sucks and Fields beat us with scrubs take as much as you want here are the facts though

Every TD throw Fields had was to a wide open WR and broken coverage.
Every TD throw Fields had in that game came after 49ers committed stupid penalties to extend Chicago drives which would've been punts
49ers had way more penalties in this game
49ers didn't look prepared to play on that field the same level as Chicago did
We had 3 new starters on the OL with 3 combined starts in the NFL between them
Trent Williams got called out by the Bears 5th round rookie who had 1.5 sacks and 2 QB hits in that game then 0 sacks and 0 QB hits in the next 16 games combined.

Those are facts.

It wasn't a great game but you and others love to ignore all the facts that went into that game and how poorly the rest of the team played when the whole talking point with Trey was the team would have his back.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

age, experience, time, rain, injuries, scheme, coaching, expectations, fundamentals, fan support... these seem to be at the top of the list sure

yet other players overcome these issues and excel

running out of excuses for TL