Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

"The Catch"

"The Drive"

"The Catch II"

"The Monsoon Game" is now part of 49ers mythology (at least among Treystans)

Originally posted by Koldo:
"The Catch"

"The Drive"

"The Catch II"

"The Monsoon Game" is now part of 49ers mythology (at least among Treystans)

how well he did in said game, it was everyone else effing up

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:


how well he did in said game, it was everyone else effing up

Wasn't a sub 3 QB rating tho

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:


how well he did in said game, it was everyone else effing up

Wasn't a sub 3 QB rating tho

2point8_4eva

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2point8_4eva

More relevant than Treys game.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:


how well he did in said game, it was everyone else effing up

I agree with you on it not being a monsoon until 4th quarter. I agree that Trey didn't play great. However, in terms of W/L the rest of the team at worse deserve equal blame.

12 penalties for 99 yards what seems like really ill-timed penalties. Though I believe I did a recap earlier in the season and the penalties only cost us 7 points but still.

Then Deebo's fumble. 2 blown coverages for TDs.

The Loss was on the whole team not just Trey. I am with you on the monsoon talk though

Originally posted by genus49:
Enough ppl...cuz you don't want to look stupid with you head in the sand?

Lance took the heat like a proper leader should. You know who always played the "we didn't play well enough" card vs using the "I didn't play well enough"? Jimmy G.

You can play the Chicago sucks and Fields beat us with scrubs take as much as you want here are the facts though

Every TD throw Fields had was to a wide open WR and broken coverage.
Every TD throw Fields had in that game came after 49ers committed stupid penalties to extend Chicago drives which would've been punts
49ers had way more penalties in this game
49ers didn't look prepared to play on that field the same level as Chicago did
We had 3 new starters on the OL with 3 combined starts in the NFL between them
Trent Williams got called out by the Bears 5th round rookie who had 1.5 sacks and 2 QB hits in that game then 0 sacks and 0 QB hits in the next 16 games combined.

Those are facts.

It wasn't a great game but you and others love to ignore all the facts that went into that game and how poorly the rest of the team played when the whole talking point with Trey was the team would have his back.

I agree with the Martz take, you got a NFL Head Coach, who broke it all down from this game. You don't complain about the weather, is what Martz said, NFL QBs, you are expected to play and perform in that stuff. I think Fields walking off with a dub, and lobbing a couple scores, look I have ppl on this board who tell me that dude is a running back, he can't throw, they say. What's his excuse? I guarantee you no CHI Bear fan or forum is talking about the monsoon today, we are..

and to clarify for the folks on here, I can say that was a poor game, and also say there's no reason he can't have a great offseason, gain consistency and play well, Martz said that also, some guys just need more development, TL imo is that kinda guy, very raw.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

age, experience, time, rain, injuries, scheme, coaching, expectations, fundamentals, fan support... these seem to be at the top of the list sure

yet other players overcome these issues and excel

running out of excuses for TL

Give me one other example similar to Lance who overcame those issues and exceled?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

age, experience, time, rain, injuries, scheme, coaching, expectations, fundamentals, fan support... these seem to be at the top of the list sure

yet other players overcome these issues and excel

running out of excuses for TL

Give me one other example similar to Lance who overcame those issues and exceled?

they are only issues, if you aren't doing well
if a guy is doing well it's a non issue, for example Fields, the weather that same game, was a non issue, Bear fans don't care about it or notice it, they certainly aren't talking about it today

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Enough ppl...cuz you don't want to look stupid with you head in the sand?

Lance took the heat like a proper leader should. You know who always played the "we didn't play well enough" card vs using the "I didn't play well enough"? Jimmy G.

You can play the Chicago sucks and Fields beat us with scrubs take as much as you want here are the facts though

Every TD throw Fields had was to a wide open WR and broken coverage.
Every TD throw Fields had in that game came after 49ers committed stupid penalties to extend Chicago drives which would've been punts
49ers had way more penalties in this game
49ers didn't look prepared to play on that field the same level as Chicago did
We had 3 new starters on the OL with 3 combined starts in the NFL between them
Trent Williams got called out by the Bears 5th round rookie who had 1.5 sacks and 2 QB hits in that game then 0 sacks and 0 QB hits in the next 16 games combined.

Those are facts.

It wasn't a great game but you and others love to ignore all the facts that went into that game and how poorly the rest of the team played when the whole talking point with Trey was the team would have his back.

I agree with the Martz take, you got a NFL Head Coach, who broke it all down from this game. You don't complain about the weather, is what Martz said, NFL QBs, you are expected to play and perform in that stuff. I think Fields walking off with a dub, and lobbing a couple scores, look I have ppl on this board who tell me that dude is a running back, he can't throw, they say. What's his excuse? I guarantee you no CHI Bear fan or forum is talking about the monsoon today, we are..

and to clarify for the folks on here, I can say that was a poor game, and also say there's no reason he can't have a great offseason, gain consistency and play well, Martz said that also, some guys just need more development, TL imo is that kinda guy, very raw.

You're clinging to Mike Martz' comments as if he hasn't been proven to be a terrible talent evaluator many times before.

His two claims to fame were Kurt Warner - QB he didn't want and was forced into by Vermeil and Marc Bulger, a QB drafted by the Saints.

Lance didn't complain about the weather but you sure love to ignore everything I said that was actually FACTS and move to generalities by someone who was bashing both QBs and has a track record of bashing black QBs.

Fields walked off with a dub, good for him. It's a team sport. You seem to pick and choose when the blame is spread around to others and when it's strictly on the QB.

Garoppolo walking out of the endzone for a safety so the pick 6 he threw didn't count - someone else's fault.
Garoppolo fumbling a snap and not being able to recover it even though it's right in front of him - someone else's fault
Garoppolo throwing into triple coverage to have a potential game winning drive end - ignored because Jeff Wilson fumbled on the final drive cuz that was the drive Jimmy was going to win it all

Keep your points consistent and you'd be surprised by what can happen.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Koldo:
"The Catch"

"The Drive"

"The Catch II"

"The Monsoon Game" is now part of 49ers mythology (at least among Treystans)

how well he did in said game, it was everyone else effing up

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

+ Show all quotes
age, experience, time, rain, injuries, scheme, coaching, expectations, fundamentals, fan support... these seem to be at the top of the list sure

yet other players overcome these issues and excel

running out of excuses for TL

Give me one other example similar to Lance who overcame those issues and exceled?

they are only issues, if you aren't doing well
if a guy is doing well it's a non issue, for example Fields, the weather that same game, was a non issue, Bear fans don't care about it or notice it, they certainly aren't talking about it today

lol are you for real? 8/17 121 yards 2 TD 1 INT 28 rushing yards

He was terrible save 3 plays. Both TDs were to wide open players, Pettis was historically open. None of those TDs happen if our defenders don't make bone headed penalties to extend each of those drives. The 2 TDs account for 69 of those 121 yards.

Lance made much better throws in that game and the bulk of his incompletions happened when the rain turned into a downpour. The dumbest analysis is to just look at the "he won so he was better"

What happens if Deebo doesn't fumble in the redzone?
What happens if Jennings doesn't run out of bounds?

The plays Lance made in that game translate much more to continued success than the plays Fields made.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Enough ppl...cuz you don't want to look stupid with you head in the sand?

Lance took the heat like a proper leader should. You know who always played the "we didn't play well enough" card vs using the "I didn't play well enough"? Jimmy G.

You can play the Chicago sucks and Fields beat us with scrubs take as much as you want here are the facts though

Every TD throw Fields had was to a wide open WR and broken coverage.
Every TD throw Fields had in that game came after 49ers committed stupid penalties to extend Chicago drives which would've been punts
49ers had way more penalties in this game
49ers didn't look prepared to play on that field the same level as Chicago did
We had 3 new starters on the OL with 3 combined starts in the NFL between them
Trent Williams got called out by the Bears 5th round rookie who had 1.5 sacks and 2 QB hits in that game then 0 sacks and 0 QB hits in the next 16 games combined.

Those are facts.

It wasn't a great game but you and others love to ignore all the facts that went into that game and how poorly the rest of the team played when the whole talking point with Trey was the team would have his back.

I agree with the Martz take, you got a NFL Head Coach, who broke it all down from this game. You don't complain about the weather, is what Martz said, NFL QBs, you are expected to play and perform in that stuff. I think Fields walking off with a dub, and lobbing a couple scores, look I have ppl on this board who tell me that dude is a running back, he can't throw, they say. What's his excuse? I guarantee you no CHI Bear fan or forum is talking about the monsoon today, we are..

and to clarify for the folks on here, I can say that was a poor game, and also say there's no reason he can't have a great offseason, gain consistency and play well, Martz said that also, some guys just need more development, TL imo is that kinda guy, very raw.

You're clinging to Mike Martz' comments as if he hasn't been proven to be a terrible talent evaluator many times before.

His two claims to fame were Kurt Warner - QB he didn't want and was forced into by Vermeil and Marc Bulger, a QB drafted by the Saints.

Lance didn't complain about the weather but you sure love to ignore everything I said that was actually FACTS and move to generalities by someone who was bashing both QBs and has a track record of bashing black QBs.

Fields walked off with a dub, good for him. It's a team sport. You seem to pick and choose when the blame is spread around to others and when it's strictly on the QB.

Garoppolo walking out of the endzone for a safety so the pick 6 he threw didn't count - someone else's fault.
Garoppolo fumbling a snap and not being able to recover it even though it's right in front of him - someone else's fault
Garoppolo throwing into triple coverage to have a potential game winning drive end - ignored because Jeff Wilson fumbled on the final drive cuz that was the drive Jimmy was going to win it all

Keep your points consistent and you'd be surprised by what can happen.

Martz knows the game, he has a win percent as a HC better than Kyle, so acting like he doesn't know the game of football is silly, you can disagree with his take, but let's not say he doesn't know the game, and doesn't understand what is going on out there while watching

I never said Lance complained about the weather, I said we do, 49er fans do, 8-9 months after the fact, still complaining about weather that both teams have to play in.

I commented on that safety over and over, never put it on anyone other than where it belonged, I put both safeties on JG I actually was debating ppl who wanted to say the other safety was a protection issue, I was the guy saying, no as QB, you can't hold the ball in your own endzone, so you are fabricating claims on the end of your post here..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Martz knows the game, he has a win percent as a HC better than Kyle, so acting like he doesn't know the game of football is silly, you can disagree with his take, but let's not say he doesn't know the game, and doesn't understand what is going on out there while watching

I never said Lance complained about the weather, I said we do, 49er fans do, 8-9 months after the fact, still complaining about weather that both teams have to play in.

I commented on that safety over and over, never put it on anyone other than where it belonged, I put both safeties on JG I actually was debating ppl who wanted to say the other safety was a protection issue, I was the guy saying, no as QB, you can't hold the ball in your own endzone, so you are fabricating claims on the end of your post here..

I didn't say he doesn't know the game, he was a friggin coach in the NFL I'm not that stupid.

I said he's a terrible talent evaluator at QB and gets way more credit for QBs that someone else found. His real claim to fame is drafting Fitzpatrick and we all know he went all around the league and didn't turn into anything special til he was far away from Martz.

The reason fans bring up the weather in that game is to show evaluating a kid from that game - it was the only full start he had this season has to be taken with a grain of salt and understanding what happened in that game that had nothing to do with him.

Overall it was clear the Bears were more ready to play in that game and on that field than we were. You can bring up the fact that Lance had the more talented team but fact is we played down and the Bears played up.

I've brought up their 5th round rookie having his best game of the year a few times and you guys conveniently ignore it because you realize it shows that we played down to our competition as a TEAM.

A 5th round rookie DE shouldn't have his best game of his rookie season vs Trent Williams or even Mike McGlinchey.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

age, experience, time, rain, injuries, scheme, coaching, expectations, fundamentals, fan support... these seem to be at the top of the list sure

yet other players overcome these issues and excel

running out of excuses for TL

+ Show all quotes
Give me one other example similar to Lance who overcame those issues and exceled?

they are only issues, if you aren't doing well
if a guy is doing well it's a non issue, for example Fields, the weather that same game, was a non issue, Bear fans don't care about it or notice it, they certainly aren't talking about it today

lol are you for real? 8/17 121 yards 2 TD 1 INT 28 rushing yards

He was terrible save 3 plays. Both TDs were to wide open players, Pettis was historically open. None of those TDs happen if our defenders don't make bone headed penalties to extend each of those drives. The 2 TDs account for 69 of those 121 yards.

Lance made much better throws in that game and the bulk of his incompletions happened when the rain turned into a downpour. The dumbest analysis is to just look at the "he won so he was better"

What happens if Deebo doesn't fumble in the redzone?
What happens if Jennings doesn't run out of bounds?

The plays Lance made in that game translate much more to continued success than the plays Fields made.

You are misinterpreting.. I am not saying Fields won, so he is better.

You asked a question of overcoming issues. In Fields case, I see he overcame the weather, that is often cited as a reason TL didn't play well that day. No Bear fan is using that weather as an excuse. He hit the open TD passes on the table to be hit. TL didn't. It's that simple.

When you mention scheme, the Bears didn't have one, infamously, Tony Gonzalez and Richard Sherman ripped CHI last season, for not having a good plan for the first 6 weeks or so.. there was this quote, after the Washington game Oct 13.. this is Sherman:

"I don't understand it. It's like Luke Getsy is like, 'Hey, I want to challenge [Fields] to overcome my play-calling.' Don't make him overcome your play-calling! Put him in easy situations," Sherman started.

"You know why the D-end had a chance to bat the pass down? Because he's in the pocket," Sherman continued. "You know why it's, 'Oh, he's late on throws?' Because he's in the pocket. It's not RPO action, it's not holding your linebackers, it's not putting him into positions he's used to succeeding in. No! You're like, 'Hey, let's make him be a pocket passer.' He runs 4.4! Make him race to the corner of the end zone. Make the defense chase."

noticeably, after this game, the Bears actually started to use JF as a run threat, almost as if they heard the above comments, and that is when the season opened up for him..

I think Fields, in order to have his breakout season, he had to navigate poor talent at WR, poor scheme to begin the season, protection not on our level, weather week 1.. so he fits the bill of your question you asked. I think he is a ways beyond Lance, right now. TL needs to overcome the injury issue, first and foremost, you can't do anything in this league, if you are not able to dress week in and out. That would be a good start, being healthy and trying to add consistency as a passer.