Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

This poster here made excuses in the JG thread for nearly two years. And you have the audacity to post something like this? Miss me with that b******t.

@6 5 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Sam Darnold Story

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Trey Lance Story

This poster here made excuses in the JG thread for nearly two years. And you have the audacity to post something like this? Miss me with that b******t.

@6 5 years and a Whole Lotta Excuses: the Sam Darnold Story

fair enough, I think the difference on that one, we don't wear those excuses, that was a NYJ / CAR problem, not ours
after years of excuses, you become that dreaded word, a bust, Sam has that label now
every bust has a long list of excuses, as to why it didn't work out
this is a golden opportunity for both QBs to flip the narrative this summer

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You are misinterpreting.. I am not saying Fields won, so he is better.

You asked a question of overcoming issues. In Fields case, I see he overcame the weather, that is often cited as a reason TL didn't play well that day. No Bear fan is using that weather as an excuse. He hit the open TD passes on the table to be hit. TL didn't. It's that simple.

When you mention scheme, the Bears didn't have one, infamously, Tony Gonzalez and Richard Sherman ripped CHI last season, for not having a good plan for the first 6 weeks or so.. there was this quote, after the Washington game Oct 13.. this is Sherman:

"I don't understand it. It's like Luke Getsy is like, 'Hey, I want to challenge [Fields] to overcome my play-calling.' Don't make him overcome your play-calling! Put him in easy situations," Sherman started.

"You know why the D-end had a chance to bat the pass down? Because he's in the pocket," Sherman continued. "You know why it's, 'Oh, he's late on throws?' Because he's in the pocket. It's not RPO action, it's not holding your linebackers, it's not putting him into positions he's used to succeeding in. No! You're like, 'Hey, let's make him be a pocket passer.' He runs 4.4! Make him race to the corner of the end zone. Make the defense chase."

noticeably, after this game, the Bears actually started to use JF as a run threat, almost as if they heard the above comments, and that is when the season opened up for him..

I think Fields, in order to have his breakout season, he had to navigate poor talent at WR, poor scheme to begin the season, protection not on our level, weather week 1.. so he fits the bill of your question you asked. I think he is a ways beyond Lance, right now. TL needs to overcome the injury issue, first and foremost, you can't do anything in this league, if you are not able to dress week in and out. That would be a good start, being healthy and trying to add consistency as a passer.

You keep ignoring the fact that our whole team looked unprepared for that game.

You're quick to play the "other team was dealing with rain too" and pretend it shouldn't play into the evaluation of Lance but ignore the fact that Trent Williams arguably the best LT in the game played like crap in that game, in those conditions and facing someone like a 5th round rookie who did nothing the rest of the season for the Bears.

If Trent Williams wasn't a proven stud before or after that game you would be in here saying the guy sucks and saying the field conditions are an excuse because both teams played on the same field.

Clearly OUR team didn't play as well on that same field, think maybe the Bears playing at home had some advantages for them?

You also bring up what Fields was able to do...AFTER we committed awful penalties to extend their drives. Dude basically got several mulligans and then we did him the extra favor and broke coverage and gave him wide open looks. Perhaps if Lance gets some of those mulligans and gets drives extended he's able to make a few more plays?

Oh that's right...excuses. My bad!

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You are misinterpreting.. I am not saying Fields won, so he is better.

You asked a question of overcoming issues. In Fields case, I see he overcame the weather, that is often cited as a reason TL didn't play well that day. No Bear fan is using that weather as an excuse. He hit the open TD passes on the table to be hit. TL didn't. It's that simple.

When you mention scheme, the Bears didn't have one, infamously, Tony Gonzalez and Richard Sherman ripped CHI last season, for not having a good plan for the first 6 weeks or so.. there was this quote, after the Washington game Oct 13.. this is Sherman:

"I don't understand it. It's like Luke Getsy is like, 'Hey, I want to challenge [Fields] to overcome my play-calling.' Don't make him overcome your play-calling! Put him in easy situations," Sherman started.

"You know why the D-end had a chance to bat the pass down? Because he's in the pocket," Sherman continued. "You know why it's, 'Oh, he's late on throws?' Because he's in the pocket. It's not RPO action, it's not holding your linebackers, it's not putting him into positions he's used to succeeding in. No! You're like, 'Hey, let's make him be a pocket passer.' He runs 4.4! Make him race to the corner of the end zone. Make the defense chase."

noticeably, after this game, the Bears actually started to use JF as a run threat, almost as if they heard the above comments, and that is when the season opened up for him..

I think Fields, in order to have his breakout season, he had to navigate poor talent at WR, poor scheme to begin the season, protection not on our level, weather week 1.. so he fits the bill of your question you asked. I think he is a ways beyond Lance, right now. TL needs to overcome the injury issue, first and foremost, you can't do anything in this league, if you are not able to dress week in and out. That would be a good start, being healthy and trying to add consistency as a passer.

You keep ignoring the fact that our whole team looked unprepared for that game.

You're quick to play the "other team was dealing with rain too" and pretend it shouldn't play into the evaluation of Lance but ignore the fact that Trent Williams arguably the best LT in the game played like crap in that game, in those conditions and facing someone like a 5th round rookie who did nothing the rest of the season for the Bears.

If Trent Williams wasn't a proven stud before or after that game you would be in here saying the guy sucks and saying the field conditions are an excuse because both teams played on the same field.

Clearly OUR team didn't play as well on that same field, think maybe the Bears playing at home had some advantages for them?

You also bring up what Fields was able to do...AFTER we committed awful penalties to extend their drives. Dude basically got several mulligans and then we did him the extra favor and broke coverage and gave him wide open looks. Perhaps if Lance gets some of those mulligans and gets drives extended he's able to make a few more plays?

Oh that's right...excuses. My bad!

We can agree to disagree, I am more apt to say, you make your own luck. If you look at the Pettis TD, Fields creates that TD, by eluding a sack with his athleticism, and throwing completely cross field. I don't think that play happens, but for the fact JF ran left, drew the D left, and threw faaaar right, and not a lot of QBs make that exact play, you need good athleticism, to escape the pocket

maybe we can find some common ground here, I can say I don't think one rough week 1 game, is at all a roadblock to TLs future success here, which I feel you would probably agree with. I can also say, it's too early to suggest TL can't turn a corner here, it's set up for him to do so with BP out right now, and his development is still in the cards here, he's a very young, raw QB. This is my middle ground effort here

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
fair enough, I think the difference on that one, we don't wear those excuses, that was a NYJ / CAR problem, not ours
after years of excuses, you become that dreaded word, a bust, Sam has that label now
every bust has a long list of excuses, as to why it didn't work out
this is a golden opportunity for both QBs to flip the narrative this summer

In terms of mistakes, stupid plays and lack of support the 9ers in week 1 were every bit the dumpster fire Carolina was week 17. Trey just didn't happen to play as poorly as Sam did.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You are misinterpreting.. I am not saying Fields won, so he is better.

You asked a question of overcoming issues. In Fields case, I see he overcame the weather, that is often cited as a reason TL didn't play well that day. No Bear fan is using that weather as an excuse. He hit the open TD passes on the table to be hit. TL didn't. It's that simple.

When you mention scheme, the Bears didn't have one, infamously, Tony Gonzalez and Richard Sherman ripped CHI last season, for not having a good plan for the first 6 weeks or so.. there was this quote, after the Washington game Oct 13.. this is Sherman:

"I don't understand it. It's like Luke Getsy is like, 'Hey, I want to challenge [Fields] to overcome my play-calling.' Don't make him overcome your play-calling! Put him in easy situations," Sherman started.

"You know why the D-end had a chance to bat the pass down? Because he's in the pocket," Sherman continued. "You know why it's, 'Oh, he's late on throws?' Because he's in the pocket. It's not RPO action, it's not holding your linebackers, it's not putting him into positions he's used to succeeding in. No! You're like, 'Hey, let's make him be a pocket passer.' He runs 4.4! Make him race to the corner of the end zone. Make the defense chase."

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noticeably, after this game, the Bears actually started to use JF as a run threat, almost as if they heard the above comments, and that is when the season opened up for him..

I think Fields, in order to have his breakout season, he had to navigate poor talent at WR, poor scheme to begin the season, protection not on our level, weather week 1.. so he fits the bill of your question you asked. I think he is a ways beyond Lance, right now. TL needs to overcome the injury issue, first and foremost, you can't do anything in this league, if you are not able to dress week in and out. That would be a good start, being healthy and trying to add consistency as a passer.

You keep ignoring the fact that our whole team looked unprepared for that game.

You're quick to play the "other team was dealing with rain too" and pretend it shouldn't play into the evaluation of Lance but ignore the fact that Trent Williams arguably the best LT in the game played like crap in that game, in those conditions and facing someone like a 5th round rookie who did nothing the rest of the season for the Bears.

If Trent Williams wasn't a proven stud before or after that game you would be in here saying the guy sucks and saying the field conditions are an excuse because both teams played on the same field.

Clearly OUR team didn't play as well on that same field, think maybe the Bears playing at home had some advantages for them?

You also bring up what Fields was able to do...AFTER we committed awful penalties to extend their drives. Dude basically got several mulligans and then we did him the extra favor and broke coverage and gave him wide open looks. Perhaps if Lance gets some of those mulligans and gets drives extended he's able to make a few more plays?

Oh that's right...excuses. My bad!

We can agree to disagree, I am more apt to say, you make your own luck. If you look at the Pettis TD, Fields creates that TD, by eluding a sack with his athleticism, and throwing completely cross field. I don't think that play happens, but for the fact JF ran left, drew the D left, and threw faaaar right, and not a lot of QBs make that exact play, you need good athleticism, to escape the pocket

maybe we can find some common ground here, I can say I don't think one rough week 1 game, is at all a roadblock to TLs future success here, which I feel you would probably agree with. I can also say, it's too early to suggest TL can't turn a corner here, it's set up for him to do so with BP out right now, and his development is still in the cards here, he's a very young, raw QB. This is my middle ground effort here

We can agree to disagree but you're disagreeing with things that are factual.

That's why it's hard to take you seriously. Whole team for the large part plays down to their competition week 1 and you choose to ignore all but Lance's performance - the 22 year old making his 3rd NFL start. Trent Williams a seasoned vet well considered as one of the best players in the game and top at his position and you go to "agree to disagree"

As for your attempt at middle ground, I'm not here claiming Lance is headed for the HOF. All I'm saying is you and others overplay how badly the kid played and ignore key context from his games which cannot be ignored unless you just put your hands over your eyes and claim you don't care.

Lance is an unknown. He could turn into a full on official bust or he could turn into an excellent QB for this franchise. We'll get more information soon enough hopefully.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
fair enough, I think the difference on that one, we don't wear those excuses, that was a NYJ / CAR problem, not ours
after years of excuses, you become that dreaded word, a bust, Sam has that label now
every bust has a long list of excuses, as to why it didn't work out
this is a golden opportunity for both QBs to flip the narrative this summer

In terms of mistakes, stupid plays and lack of support the 9ers in week 1 were every bit the dumpster fire Carolina was week 17. Trey just didn't happen to play as poorly as Sam did.

we were maybe the best team in football last season, now you are comping us to a CAR team that a) fired their HC in season, b) cut their QB1, c) traded out CMC for future draft picks.. sometimes you make a point and you take it too far, past the point of reason.. yeah I don't buy it

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
fair enough, I think the difference on that one, we don't wear those excuses, that was a NYJ / CAR problem, not ours
after years of excuses, you become that dreaded word, a bust, Sam has that label now
every bust has a long list of excuses, as to why it didn't work out
this is a golden opportunity for both QBs to flip the narrative this summer

In terms of mistakes, stupid plays and lack of support the 9ers in week 1 were every bit the dumpster fire Carolina was week 17. Trey just didn't happen to play as poorly as Sam did.

we were maybe the best team in football last season, now you are comping us to a CAR team that a) fired their HC in season, b) cut their QB1, c) traded out CMC for future draft picks.. sometimes you make a point and you take it too far, past the point of reason.. yeah I don't buy it

It's week 1...weird things happen. We didn't play well across the board.

You can pretty much find an instance of a great team losing week 1 to a terrible team each season. We've been on the other side of that as well looking like we were going to be a great team beating the Vikings at home week 1 with Jim Tomsula as HC. How'd that go for us?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You are misinterpreting.. I am not saying Fields won, so he is better.

You asked a question of overcoming issues. In Fields case, I see he overcame the weather, that is often cited as a reason TL didn't play well that day. No Bear fan is using that weather as an excuse. He hit the open TD passes on the table to be hit. TL didn't. It's that simple.

When you mention scheme, the Bears didn't have one, infamously, Tony Gonzalez and Richard Sherman ripped CHI last season, for not having a good plan for the first 6 weeks or so.. there was this quote, after the Washington game Oct 13.. this is Sherman:

"I don't understand it. It's like Luke Getsy is like, 'Hey, I want to challenge [Fields] to overcome my play-calling.' Don't make him overcome your play-calling! Put him in easy situations," Sherman started.

"You know why the D-end had a chance to bat the pass down? Because he's in the pocket," Sherman continued. "You know why it's, 'Oh, he's late on throws?' Because he's in the pocket. It's not RPO action, it's not holding your linebackers, it's not putting him into positions he's used to succeeding in. No! You're like, 'Hey, let's make him be a pocket passer.' He runs 4.4! Make him race to the corner of the end zone. Make the defense chase."

noticeably, after this game, the Bears actually started to use JF as a run threat, almost as if they heard the above comments, and that is when the season opened up for him..

I think Fields, in order to have his breakout season, he had to navigate poor talent at WR, poor scheme to begin the season, protection not on our level, weather week 1.. so he fits the bill of your question you asked. I think he is a ways beyond Lance, right now. TL needs to overcome the injury issue, first and foremost, you can't do anything in this league, if you are not able to dress week in and out. That would be a good start, being healthy and trying to add consistency as a passer.

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You keep ignoring the fact that our whole team looked unprepared for that game.

You're quick to play the "other team was dealing with rain too" and pretend it shouldn't play into the evaluation of Lance but ignore the fact that Trent Williams arguably the best LT in the game played like crap in that game, in those conditions and facing someone like a 5th round rookie who did nothing the rest of the season for the Bears.

If Trent Williams wasn't a proven stud before or after that game you would be in here saying the guy sucks and saying the field conditions are an excuse because both teams played on the same field.

Clearly OUR team didn't play as well on that same field, think maybe the Bears playing at home had some advantages for them?

You also bring up what Fields was able to do...AFTER we committed awful penalties to extend their drives. Dude basically got several mulligans and then we did him the extra favor and broke coverage and gave him wide open looks. Perhaps if Lance gets some of those mulligans and gets drives extended he's able to make a few more plays?

Oh that's right...excuses. My bad!

We can agree to disagree, I am more apt to say, you make your own luck. If you look at the Pettis TD, Fields creates that TD, by eluding a sack with his athleticism, and throwing completely cross field. I don't think that play happens, but for the fact JF ran left, drew the D left, and threw faaaar right, and not a lot of QBs make that exact play, you need good athleticism, to escape the pocket

maybe we can find some common ground here, I can say I don't think one rough week 1 game, is at all a roadblock to TLs future success here, which I feel you would probably agree with. I can also say, it's too early to suggest TL can't turn a corner here, it's set up for him to do so with BP out right now, and his development is still in the cards here, he's a very young, raw QB. This is my middle ground effort here

We can agree to disagree but you're disagreeing with things that are factual.

That's why it's hard to take you seriously. Whole team for the large part plays down to their competition week 1 and you choose to ignore all but Lance's performance - the 22 year old making his 3rd NFL start. Trent Williams a seasoned vet well considered as one of the best players in the game and top at his position and you go to "agree to disagree"

As for your attempt at middle ground, I'm not here claiming Lance is headed for the HOF. All I'm saying is you and others overplay how badly the kid played and ignore key context from his games which cannot be ignored unless you just put your hands over your eyes and claim you don't care.

Lance is an unknown. He could turn into a full on official bust or he could turn into an excellent QB for this franchise. We'll get more information soon enough hopefully.

In the spirit of agreement I'm just gonna bold this last line, which I agree with, yessir

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we were maybe the best team in football last season, now you are comping us to a CAR team that a) fired their HC in season, b) cut their QB1, c) traded out CMC for future draft picks.. sometimes you make a point and you take it too far, past the point of reason.. yeah I don't buy it

Yes week 1 we were as bad as those other teams were in terms of stupid plays, penalties, mistakes, missed opportunities. Absolutely.

Like Genus said even our best player got beat by a rookie nobody.

You do this all the time. I clearly state i'm speaking of a specific game and you do a comparison of the entire season when that isn't at all relevant.

Reality is you just have different standard you hold Trey to in comparison to any other 9er qb.

If somehow Darnold starts week 1 in Pittsburgh and plays like Trey did there is ZERO chance you are hard on him. ZERO.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we were maybe the best team in football last season, now you are comping us to a CAR team that a) fired their HC in season, b) cut their QB1, c) traded out CMC for future draft picks.. sometimes you make a point and you take it too far, past the point of reason.. yeah I don't buy it

Yes week 1 we were as bad as those other teams were in terms of stupid plays, penalties, mistakes, missed opportunities. Absolutely.

Like Genus said even our best player got beat by a rookie nobody.

You do this all the time. I clearly state i'm speaking of a specific game and you do a comparison of the entire season when that isn't at all relevant.

Reality is you just have different standard you hold Trey to in comparison to any other 9er qb.

If somehow Darnold starts week 1 in Pittsburgh and plays like Trey did there is ZERO chance you are hard on him. ZERO.

yeah that game with KS, and our guys, we were >>>>> a zombie team, I am speaking to that one game, and the one CAR game you cherry picked, out of many others you could have picked.. do you care to elaborate why you picked that game, or do we already know why

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we were maybe the best team in football last season, now you are comping us to a CAR team that a) fired their HC in season, b) cut their QB1, c) traded out CMC for future draft picks.. sometimes you make a point and you take it too far, past the point of reason.. yeah I don't buy it

Yes week 1 we were as bad as those other teams were in terms of stupid plays, penalties, mistakes, missed opportunities. Absolutely.

Like Genus said even our best player got beat by a rookie nobody.

You do this all the time. I clearly state i'm speaking of a specific game and you do a comparison of the entire season when that isn't at all relevant.

Reality is you just have different standard you hold Trey to in comparison to any other 9er qb.

If somehow Darnold starts week 1 in Pittsburgh and plays like Trey did there is ZERO chance you are hard on him. ZERO.

yeah that game with KS, and our guys, we were >>>>> a zombie team, I am speaking to that one game, and the one CAR game you cherry picked, out of many others you could have picked.. do you care to elaborate why you picked that game, or do we already know why

Isn't that just the most recent full game either guy has played?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we were maybe the best team in football last season, now you are comping us to a CAR team that a) fired their HC in season, b) cut their QB1, c) traded out CMC for future draft picks.. sometimes you make a point and you take it too far, past the point of reason.. yeah I don't buy it

Yes week 1 we were as bad as those other teams were in terms of stupid plays, penalties, mistakes, missed opportunities. Absolutely.

Like Genus said even our best player got beat by a rookie nobody.

You do this all the time. I clearly state i'm speaking of a specific game and you do a comparison of the entire season when that isn't at all relevant.

Reality is you just have different standard you hold Trey to in comparison to any other 9er qb.

If somehow Darnold starts week 1 in Pittsburgh and plays like Trey did there is ZERO chance you are hard on him. ZERO.

yeah that game with KS, and our guys, we were >>>>> a zombie team, I am speaking to that one game, and the one CAR game you cherry picked, out of many others you could have picked.. do you care to elaborate why you picked that game, or do we already know why

Guess what we were a much better team week 17 than we were week 1.
So was Carolina.

They weren't a SB contender but the fact that they won their game while Darnold went 5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT and 2 fumbles says at least that week they did something right.

Oh and crazy thing...if the 49ers D gave up the 7 points Carolina D did in that game, Trey Lance would've had a win and you'd be here claiming the team won in spite of him.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we were maybe the best team in football last season, now you are comping us to a CAR team that a) fired their HC in season, b) cut their QB1, c) traded out CMC for future draft picks.. sometimes you make a point and you take it too far, past the point of reason.. yeah I don't buy it

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Yes week 1 we were as bad as those other teams were in terms of stupid plays, penalties, mistakes, missed opportunities. Absolutely.

Like Genus said even our best player got beat by a rookie nobody.

You do this all the time. I clearly state i'm speaking of a specific game and you do a comparison of the entire season when that isn't at all relevant.

Reality is you just have different standard you hold Trey to in comparison to any other 9er qb.

If somehow Darnold starts week 1 in Pittsburgh and plays like Trey did there is ZERO chance you are hard on him. ZERO.

yeah that game with KS, and our guys, we were >>>>> a zombie team, I am speaking to that one game, and the one CAR game you cherry picked, out of many others you could have picked.. do you care to elaborate why you picked that game, or do we already know why

Isn't that just the most recent full game either guy has played?

he said this: every bit the dumpster fire Carolina was week 17

week 17 was not the most recent, that either QB has played, it's just some random week
in any event, we are getting in the weeds here, but I don't think we are on the right track if we are looking at SF in 2022 (any game) and CAR in 2022 (any game) and saying we had it as bad as them, that's nonsense, to me.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Isn't that just the most recent full game either guy has played?

Yes it is