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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. What happened to, "I don't need Kurt Warner to think for me?"

Here's part II. Great stuff.


I don't need him to think for me. Haven't even watched the video. I watched the games, he took way more shots than Jimmy did. Stats that BayArea posted showed that.

You can just admit you were wrong. It's ok

Wait. If NCommand is saying the scheme didn't let the QB take shots, then the video he just posted disproves him. Are you sure that is what NCommand is arguing, or did he just not watch the whole video? Because in this video Warner shows that Purdy was still taking shots and chances in that game even after the large lead.

That was the other Kurt Warner video. Stay with the theme. Haha.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. What happened to, "I don't need Kurt Warner to think for me?"

Here's part II. Great stuff.


I don't need him to think for me. Haven't even watched the video. I watched the games, he took way more shots than Jimmy did. Stats that BayArea posted showed that.

You can just admit you were wrong. It's ok

LOL. I never said otherwise.

I just think it's funny Kurt Warner is being referenced here all of a sudden.
Shhh, one poor pass.

In what it sounds like for me, the way the coaches and the front office has been talking about Trey is somewhat saying all the fancy things but really not saying anything. It's like they had had this collective agreement not to say things that will hurt the person's feelings but they all know what the real score is. But I think everyone knows Trey is going to need quite sometime to develop, probably needs more than this year plus next year or beyond. But the question is, can the 49ers afford the wait?
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. What happened to, "I don't need Kurt Warner to think for me?"

Here's part II. Great stuff.


I don't need him to think for me. Haven't even watched the video. I watched the games, he took way more shots than Jimmy did. Stats that BayArea posted showed that.

You can just admit you were wrong. It's ok

Wait. If NCommand is saying the scheme didn't let the QB take shots, then the video he just posted disproves him. Are you sure that is what NCommand is arguing, or did he just not watch the whole video? Because in this video Warner shows that Purdy was still taking shots and chances in that game even after the large lead.

That was the other Kurt Warner video. Stay with the theme. Haha.

The second video also shows Purdy taking a bunch of shots. You're making me think you only watched the first two minutes.
Originally posted by 49erF90:
In what it sounds like for me, the way the coaches and the front office has been talking about Trey is somewhat saying all the fancy things but really not saying anything. It's like they had had this collective agreement not to say things that will hurt the person's feelings but they all know what the real score is. But I think everyone knows Trey is going to need quite sometime to develop, probably needs more than this year plus next year or beyond. But the question is, can the 49ers afford the wait?

If we're playing the read between the lines game then I'd say there is a LOT more positive stuff about Trey since OTAs started and they got a look at Trey again vs what was coming out or not before OTAs.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Shhh, one poor pass.


Lol is this what people are complaining about?
Originally posted by NCommand:
Shhh, one poor pass.


It's amazing how these guys will go to one OTA practice and turn their 10 minute of footage from warm-ups into 20 different videos and 12 hours of podcasts.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The second video also shows Purdy taking a bunch of shots. You're making me think you only watched the first two minutes.

Brock's IAY was near identical to Jimmy's this past yr. Not sure what everyone is debating? Does he push the ball downfield? Overall not really…never did in college either. It's still a small sample size, so we will see how it goes this yr.

I think his draft overview was right on par…

"Four-year starter who was never able to improve upon a stellar sophomore campaign. Purdy is a burly pocket quarterback who needs a play-action based offense where he can rely on timing over release quickness and arm strength. He can be a confident passer when he finds his rhythm, but throwing is more of a chore than a talent thanks to a labored release. Certain areas of the field will be off limits as he moves up to take on NFL coverage talent. He's a scrappy runner but not dynamic enough to make up for his shortcomings as a passer."

IMO the offensive play calling with Jimmy to Brock doesn't change much at all. I think the one area that Brock helps this team more than Jimmy was the scrambling ability…I also think he's got to have a better internal clock and anticipation back there. I feel like that can be said for a TON of rookie QBs though.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Shhh, one poor pass.


It's amazing how these guys will go to one OTA practice and turn their 10 minute of footage from warm-ups into 20 different videos and 12 hours of podcasts.

Lol pretty much. Gotta get those confirmation bias takes in. I didn't pay a ton of attention to the last OTA practice (been in LV and Denver for vacation). my Twitter TL is full of the same lance haters posting a video or two of him missing a pass…acting like they've proved their point or something. It's wild how s**tty fans can be over their own players.

I asked one guy why he can't root for all 3 to be good? His response was I was a lance lover and Brock is a golden god or something…just really weird.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The second video also shows Purdy taking a bunch of shots. You're making me think you only watched the first two minutes.

Brock's IAY was near identical to Jimmy's this past yr. Not sure what everyone is debating? Does he push the ball downfield? Overall not really…never did in college either. It's still a small sample size, so we will see how it goes this yr.

I think his draft overview was right on par…

"Four-year starter who was never able to improve upon a stellar sophomore campaign. Purdy is a burly pocket quarterback who needs a play-action based offense where he can rely on timing over release quickness and arm strength. He can be a confident passer when he finds his rhythm, but throwing is more of a chore than a talent thanks to a labored release. Certain areas of the field will be off limits as he moves up to take on NFL coverage talent. He's a scrappy runner but not dynamic enough to make up for his shortcomings as a passer."

IMO the offensive play calling with Jimmy to Brock doesn't change much at all. I think the one area that Brock helps this team more than Jimmy was the scrambling ability…I also think he's got to have a better internal clock and anticipation back there. I feel like that can be said for a TON of rookie QBs though.

Brock played way better than Jimmy imo and this was the best Jimmy we've seen since 2017.

Brock as a rookie made plays we've rarely seen Jimmy make whether moving around better to avoid sacks or actually getting rid of the ball(couple in spectacular fashion) and like I said before the biggest thing to me why Brock isn't afraid of taking shots was the Seahawks game when he took the shot to Aiyuk who was singled up vs taking Deebo on the open crosser for shorter gain. Jimmy takes that crosser 100/100 times.

Now having said all that we have to see more from Brock. Not only how he looks after the serious injury but to see if he can stay ahead of some of his tendencies that other teams will look to capitalize on.

Honestly it wouldn't shock me if other teams try to replicate what Philly did and take their chances not reacting to PA and just go and attack. Jimmy was never the same in the pocket after the ACL. Can Brock be the guy we saw last year? If so then yes it's going to be hard for Trey to see the field here.

That doesn't mean Trey won't be as good or even a better QB once he gets time to develop but if Brock is showing the team he can execute at the high level we saw last season then the team will have to roll with him. Trey may end up finding his spot with another team and perhaps once the 49ers lose some talent around Brock after paying him maybe they go on to regret not holding onto Trey but we'll see.

To me I know how much impact CMC had on this offense. I want to see all the QBs get to play in this offense with him and the other weapons we have. We have to get this QB decision right. Shouldn't be handing anyone the job at this point.

I hope Trey brings it and his new work with mechanics shows big results. I hope Brock is back healthy and picking up where he left off and I even hope Darnold looks like the guy he was expected to be when the jets drafted him.

I just want a top tier QB to help us win the whole damn thing!
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Shhh, one poor pass.


So glad his mechanics have improved that much.
Originally posted by genus49:
Brock played way better than Jimmy imo and this was the best Jimmy we've seen since 2017.

Brock as a rookie made plays we've rarely seen Jimmy make whether moving around better to avoid sacks or actually getting rid of the ball(couple in spectacular fashion) and like I said before the biggest thing to me why Brock isn't afraid of taking shots was the Seahawks game when he took the shot to Aiyuk who was singled up vs taking Deebo on the open crosser for shorter gain. Jimmy takes that crosser 100/100 times.

Now having said all that we have to see more from Brock. Not only how he looks after the serious injury but to see if he can stay ahead of some of his tendencies that other teams will look to capitalize on.

Honestly it wouldn't shock me if other teams try to replicate what Philly did and take their chances not reacting to PA and just go and attack. Jimmy was never the same in the pocket after the ACL. Can Brock be the guy we saw last year? If so then yes it's going to be hard for Trey to see the field here.

That doesn't mean Trey won't be as good or even a better QB once he gets time to develop but if Brock is showing the team he can execute at the high level we saw last season then the team will have to roll with him. Trey may end up finding his spot with another team and perhaps once the 49ers lose some talent around Brock after paying him maybe they go on to regret not holding onto Trey but we'll see.

To me I know how much impact CMC had on this offense. I want to see all the QBs get to play in this offense with him and the other weapons we have. We have to get this QB decision right. Shouldn't be handing anyone the job at this point.

I hope Trey brings it and his new work with mechanics shows big results. I hope Brock is back healthy and picking up where he left off and I even hope Darnold looks like the guy he was expected to be when the jets drafted him.

I just want a top tier QB to help us win the whole damn thing!

I thought Jimmy made some similar plays in 2017. Brock is quicker for sure. IMO I thought Brock's ability to move helped in the RZ as well. Overall I do think Jimmy and Brock are fairly similar.

I want all 3 QBs to ball out end of the day. We will probably need all of them.

side note…i saw an article today saying Philly tried trading for Wilson in 2022 but he used his no-trade clause….so overall they weren't all in on Hurts either.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Jun 3, 2023 at 2:00 PM ]
Originally posted by genus49:
Brock played way better than Jimmy imo and this was the best Jimmy we've seen since 2017.

Brock as a rookie made plays we've rarely seen Jimmy make whether moving around better to avoid sacks or actually getting rid of the ball(couple in spectacular fashion) and like I said before the biggest thing to me why Brock isn't afraid of taking shots was the Seahawks game when he took the shot to Aiyuk who was singled up vs taking Deebo on the open crosser for shorter gain. Jimmy takes that crosser 100/100 times.

Now having said all that we have to see more from Brock. Not only how he looks after the serious injury but to see if he can stay ahead of some of his tendencies that other teams will look to capitalize on.

Honestly it wouldn't shock me if other teams try to replicate what Philly did and take their chances not reacting to PA and just go and attack. Jimmy was never the same in the pocket after the ACL. Can Brock be the guy we saw last year? If so then yes it's going to be hard for Trey to see the field here.

That doesn't mean Trey won't be as good or even a better QB once he gets time to develop but if Brock is showing the team he can execute at the high level we saw last season then the team will have to roll with him. Trey may end up finding his spot with another team and perhaps once the 49ers lose some talent around Brock after paying him maybe they go on to regret not holding onto Trey but we'll see.

To me I know how much impact CMC had on this offense. I want to see all the QBs get to play in this offense with him and the other weapons we have. We have to get this QB decision right. Shouldn't be handing anyone the job at this point.

I hope Trey brings it and his new work with mechanics shows big results. I hope Brock is back healthy and picking up where he left off and I even hope Darnold looks like the guy he was expected to be when the jets drafted him.

I just want a top tier QB to help us win the whole damn thing!

This right there. With CMC and Lance in the lineup, our run game would be an absolute nightmare for opposing defenses. That will obviously result in some posters here saying Kyle doesn't trust Trey to throw, but we deserve a juggernaut offense to pair with this D.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Looks like Trey still needs to get the ball down some. His throwing motion is more compact though, and it looks like they are working on footwork. Let's hope it pays off.

From what lol? The mass amounts of tape you've reviewed of him in OTAs?

I don't understand why you wanna get your panties twisted into a knot over it. I like Trey, but I'm expecting him to show improvement. I'm not one of those partisans who has chosen a player and cannot stand them catching any criticism. From the videos ive seen of Trey throwing, he is still throwing it a bit high. I don't give a f**k which guy starts at qb, as long as he is the best at the job.

First of all my panties are just fine. Second I'm actually curious what videos you're going off of, considering we've only had media access to two practices and even less video of the actual team drills.

There are several videos of him throwing, it doesn't take more than 15-20 throws to see that he is still throwing high. Sorry that that bothers you so much that you decided to get snarky about someone having an opinion. You guys who get super defensive about the least little criticism are strange. You act like any criticism is a personal attack on his character, and you're his momma rushing to defend him. Why not wait until they actually earn their place before you start going to the mat every time someone mentions that they aren't perfect, because nobody is perfect, and it would be totally unrealistic to expect it.

There are several videos of him throwing and I've seen him hit CMC high once and a ball sail over a ball boy or whoever they had out there catching. All the other throws I didn't see him having an issue throwing high.

That's why I asked. You talk about Lance getting coddled, how about just speaking honestly about someone? I don't claim to have seen every throw video of his from OTAs which is why I asked you what you've seen and snarky and sarcastic is how I post. Sorry that hurt your feelings.

There is plenty of posts in this thread painting a much worse picture of Lance that is actually out there so yeah, your take smelled of more of the same but if you have the videos you're referring to then please share them so I can apologize.

Nowhere did I say he was being coddled, I saw the videos on YouTube, I am not even sure which beat guy posted them, but they're public domain. He is still throwing the ball a bit high, it's not even a damning criticism, just pointing out that he is still not as accurate as he could be. I can never get videos to post on here anyway.
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