Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The second video also shows Purdy taking a bunch of shots. You're making me think you only watched the first two minutes.

Brock's IAY was near identical to Jimmy's this past yr. Not sure what everyone is debating? Does he push the ball downfield? Overall not really…never did in college either. It's still a small sample size, so we will see how it goes this yr.

I think his draft overview was right on par…

"Four-year starter who was never able to improve upon a stellar sophomore campaign. Purdy is a burly pocket quarterback who needs a play-action based offense where he can rely on timing over release quickness and arm strength. He can be a confident passer when he finds his rhythm, but throwing is more of a chore than a talent thanks to a labored release. Certain areas of the field will be off limits as he moves up to take on NFL coverage talent. He's a scrappy runner but not dynamic enough to make up for his shortcomings as a passer."

IMO the offensive play calling with Jimmy to Brock doesn't change much at all. I think the one area that Brock helps this team more than Jimmy was the scrambling ability…I also think he's got to have a better internal clock and anticipation back there. I feel like that can be said for a TON of rookie QBs though.

So you trust a draft analysis more than a hall of fame quarterback breaking down his most recent play? Why would you do that? Because it matches your opinion, or because you think a draft guru knows more than a hall of fame quarterback?

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by genus49:
Brock played way better than Jimmy imo and this was the best Jimmy we've seen since 2017.

Brock as a rookie made plays we've rarely seen Jimmy make whether moving around better to avoid sacks or actually getting rid of the ball(couple in spectacular fashion) and like I said before the biggest thing to me why Brock isn't afraid of taking shots was the Seahawks game when he took the shot to Aiyuk who was singled up vs taking Deebo on the open crosser for shorter gain. Jimmy takes that crosser 100/100 times.

Now having said all that we have to see more from Brock. Not only how he looks after the serious injury but to see if he can stay ahead of some of his tendencies that other teams will look to capitalize on.

Honestly it wouldn't shock me if other teams try to replicate what Philly did and take their chances not reacting to PA and just go and attack. Jimmy was never the same in the pocket after the ACL. Can Brock be the guy we saw last year? If so then yes it's going to be hard for Trey to see the field here.

That doesn't mean Trey won't be as good or even a better QB once he gets time to develop but if Brock is showing the team he can execute at the high level we saw last season then the team will have to roll with him. Trey may end up finding his spot with another team and perhaps once the 49ers lose some talent around Brock after paying him maybe they go on to regret not holding onto Trey but we'll see.

To me I know how much impact CMC had on this offense. I want to see all the QBs get to play in this offense with him and the other weapons we have. We have to get this QB decision right. Shouldn't be handing anyone the job at this point.

I hope Trey brings it and his new work with mechanics shows big results. I hope Brock is back healthy and picking up where he left off and I even hope Darnold looks like the guy he was expected to be when the jets drafted him.

I just want a top tier QB to help us win the whole damn thing!

This right there. With CMC and Lance in the lineup, our run game would be an absolute nightmare for opposing defenses. That will obviously result in some posters here saying Kyle doesn't trust Trey to throw, but we deserve a juggernaut offense to pair with this D.

How much more juggernaut do you need than over 33 points per game? Our offense is consistently one of the top in the game.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I thought Jimmy made some similar plays in 2017. Brock is quicker for sure. IMO I thought Brock's ability to move helped in the RZ as well. Overall I do think Jimmy and Brock are fairly similar.

I want all 3 QBs to ball out end of the day. We will probably need all of them.

side note…i saw an article today saying Philly tried trading for Wilson in 2022 but he used his no-trade clause….so overall they weren't all in on Hurts either.

Yeah I posted that a few pages ago to remind people that teams don't always know what they have despite seeing the guy in their building.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
How much more juggernaut do you need than over 33 points per game? Our offense is consistently one of the top in the game.

Scored 19 vs Dallas and 7 vs Philly.

Can still improve.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
How much more juggernaut do you need than over 33 points per game? Our offense is consistently one of the top in the game.

Scored 19 vs Dallas and 7 vs Philly.

Can still improve.

You're using as counter evidence a game he didn't have an elbow ligament?

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
How much more juggernaut do you need than over 33 points per game? Our offense is consistently one of the top in the game.

Scored 19 vs Dallas and 7 vs Philly.

Can still improve.

You're using as counter evidence a game he didn't have an elbow ligament?

We all know it's unfair to evaluate the game not knowing what would've happened had he not gotten injured but I think it's also fair to say the result from that game is one we want to not see happen again aka improve from it.

Had Brock thrown earlier with anticipation to Aiyuk it's likely a huge play and he avoids injury. There are things Brock still can improve on so whether it's him improving on his rookie season or someone else…yes there is room for improvement.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
How much more juggernaut do you need than over 33 points per game? Our offense is consistently one of the top in the game.

Scored 19 vs Dallas and 7 vs Philly.

Can still improve.

You're using as counter evidence a game he didn't have an elbow ligament?

We all know it's unfair to evaluate the game not knowing what would've happened had he not gotten injured but I think it's also fair to say the result from that game is one we want to not see happen again aka improve from it.

Had Brock thrown earlier with anticipation to Aiyuk it's likely a huge play and he avoids injury. There are things Brock still can improve on so whether it's him improving on his rookie season or someone else…yes there is room for improvement.

Of course there's room for improvement. There's a difference between recognizing room for improvement and using a game he didn't have an arm as evidence of something he was lacking in putting up points for the offense. The guy had arguably the best first 8 games a rookie QB has ever had. It's okay to acknowledge how incredible that is without carving his future into stone.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by genus49:
Brock played way better than Jimmy imo and this was the best Jimmy we've seen since 2017.

Brock as a rookie made plays we've rarely seen Jimmy make whether moving around better to avoid sacks or actually getting rid of the ball(couple in spectacular fashion) and like I said before the biggest thing to me why Brock isn't afraid of taking shots was the Seahawks game when he took the shot to Aiyuk who was singled up vs taking Deebo on the open crosser for shorter gain. Jimmy takes that crosser 100/100 times.

Now having said all that we have to see more from Brock. Not only how he looks after the serious injury but to see if he can stay ahead of some of his tendencies that other teams will look to capitalize on.

Honestly it wouldn't shock me if other teams try to replicate what Philly did and take their chances not reacting to PA and just go and attack. Jimmy was never the same in the pocket after the ACL. Can Brock be the guy we saw last year? If so then yes it's going to be hard for Trey to see the field here.

That doesn't mean Trey won't be as good or even a better QB once he gets time to develop but if Brock is showing the team he can execute at the high level we saw last season then the team will have to roll with him. Trey may end up finding his spot with another team and perhaps once the 49ers lose some talent around Brock after paying him maybe they go on to regret not holding onto Trey but we'll see.

To me I know how much impact CMC had on this offense. I want to see all the QBs get to play in this offense with him and the other weapons we have. We have to get this QB decision right. Shouldn't be handing anyone the job at this point.

I hope Trey brings it and his new work with mechanics shows big results. I hope Brock is back healthy and picking up where he left off and I even hope Darnold looks like the guy he was expected to be when the jets drafted him.

I just want a top tier QB to help us win the whole damn thing!

This right there. With CMC and Lance in the lineup, our run game would be an absolute nightmare for opposing defenses. That will obviously result in some posters here saying Kyle doesn't trust Trey to throw, but we deserve a juggernaut offense to pair with this D.

How much more juggernaut do you need than over 33 points per game? Our offense is consistently one of the top in the game.

Right?!? Im guessing he thinks with Lance it could be 34+ pts/gm. So much pressure some are heaping on to a Lance led offense.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
How much more juggernaut do you need than over 33 points per game? Our offense is consistently one of the top in the game.

Scored 19 vs Dallas and 7 vs Philly.

Can still improve.

You're using as counter evidence a game he didn't have an elbow ligament?

Another

What's going on in here?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Shhh, one poor pass.

You said he has zero chance. Let's get the BP thread cooking. It's kinda lagging and dk why. He's in the driver's seat.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I thought Jimmy made some similar plays in 2017. Brock is quicker for sure. IMO I thought Brock's ability to move helped in the RZ as well. Overall I do think Jimmy and Brock are fairly similar.

I want all 3 QBs to ball out end of the day. We will probably need all of them.

side note…i saw an article today saying Philly tried trading for Wilson in 2022 but he used his no-trade clause….so overall they weren't all in on Hurts either.

Yeah I posted that a few pages ago to remind people that teams don't always know what they have despite seeing the guy in their building.

I don't think anyone thought hurts would make the jump he made. Teams routinely gave up on him, even Saban did mid championship game.

it would be one thing if we were trying to trade for someone else to take over, even I'd be confused with that and would think we needed to see more of Lance before doing that. It's just different cause the guy who will most likely be QB1 is on the team.

also, it isn't really giving up on anyone because if Brock doesn't turn out to be a lot of us are expecting, including Kyle/John, Lance is still here waiting in the wings (hopefully getting better).

i view those situations as very different. It's also hard to fault the eagles because Wilson was considered a HOF player before last season and hurts was underwhelming. I'm still a little skeptical of hurts but he has so much talent around him that I think he will continue to ball. I'm not saying I think he isn't good, he's very good, I just question the whole "elite" thing right now. I'll be following him and the eagles pretty closely next season, for many reasons. Lol

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
How much more juggernaut do you need than over 33 points per game? Our offense is consistently one of the top in the game.

Scored 19 vs Dallas and 7 vs Philly.

Can still improve.

You're using as counter evidence a game he didn't have an elbow ligament?

We all know it's unfair to evaluate the game not knowing what would've happened had he not gotten injured but I think it's also fair to say the result from that game is one we want to not see happen again aka improve from it.

Had Brock thrown earlier with anticipation to Aiyuk it's likely a huge play and he avoids injury. There are things Brock still can improve on so whether it's him improving on his rookie season or someone else…yes there is room for improvement.

He had an issue with escaping to his left when pressured and it was so evident by the playoffs that Dan Quinn exploited it during the divisional round. You can bet the farm that whoever he plays next will plan for it. D coordinators likely see more than that, so hopefully the offseason provides enough time to correct any others. Kid was phenomenal, but there really is a something to say about his lack of film last year. I want him to be our next HOF QB as much as anyone, but still feel jaded after Jimmy and the similarities between their situations. Let's see how he does this year after surgery and giving opposing Ds more to plan against, but also giving Kyle time to come up with more s**t that plays to his strengths.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by genus49:
Brock played way better than Jimmy imo and this was the best Jimmy we've seen since 2017.

Brock as a rookie made plays we've rarely seen Jimmy make whether moving around better to avoid sacks or actually getting rid of the ball(couple in spectacular fashion) and like I said before the biggest thing to me why Brock isn't afraid of taking shots was the Seahawks game when he took the shot to Aiyuk who was singled up vs taking Deebo on the open crosser for shorter gain. Jimmy takes that crosser 100/100 times.

Now having said all that we have to see more from Brock. Not only how he looks after the serious injury but to see if he can stay ahead of some of his tendencies that other teams will look to capitalize on.

Honestly it wouldn't shock me if other teams try to replicate what Philly did and take their chances not reacting to PA and just go and attack. Jimmy was never the same in the pocket after the ACL. Can Brock be the guy we saw last year? If so then yes it's going to be hard for Trey to see the field here.

That doesn't mean Trey won't be as good or even a better QB once he gets time to develop but if Brock is showing the team he can execute at the high level we saw last season then the team will have to roll with him. Trey may end up finding his spot with another team and perhaps once the 49ers lose some talent around Brock after paying him maybe they go on to regret not holding onto Trey but we'll see.

To me I know how much impact CMC had on this offense. I want to see all the QBs get to play in this offense with him and the other weapons we have. We have to get this QB decision right. Shouldn't be handing anyone the job at this point.

I hope Trey brings it and his new work with mechanics shows big results. I hope Brock is back healthy and picking up where he left off and I even hope Darnold looks like the guy he was expected to be when the jets drafted him.

I just want a top tier QB to help us win the whole damn thing!

This right there. With CMC and Lance in the lineup, our run game would be an absolute nightmare for opposing defenses. That will obviously result in some posters here saying Kyle doesn't trust Trey to throw, but we deserve a juggernaut offense to pair with this D.

How much more juggernaut do you need than over 33 points per game? Our offense is consistently one of the top in the game.

It was better after the CMC acquisition. Was that not obvious? Even Jimmy improved once he was here. I don't want to look up what he did for the O, but don't feel like I should have to. The run game in the playoffs could improve, and that's when we need it to.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. What happened to, "I don't need Kurt Warner to think for me?"

Here's part II. Great stuff.

I don't need him to think for me. Haven't even watched the video. I watched the games, he took way more shots than Jimmy did. Stats that BayArea posted showed that.

You can just admit you were wrong. It's ok

Wait. If NCommand is saying the scheme didn't let the QB take shots, then the video he just posted disproves him. Are you sure that is what NCommand is arguing, or did he just not watch the whole video? Because in this video Warner shows that Purdy was still taking shots and chances in that game even after the large lead.

That was the other Kurt Warner video. Stay with the theme. Haha.

The second video also shows Purdy taking a bunch of shots. You're making me think you only watched the first two minutes.

You've completely missed the point. Both Warner and JTO have videos showing how the lack of outlets and the scheme put the QB at risk in this system. That's a Kyle-topic. But fans in here mocked both of those and said silly things like, "I don't need Warner to think for me." LOL

Now he's being referenced here because it matches their narrative.

I just saw the irony in that. All the videos were accurate, IMHO.

As to Brock, I'm not sure where the silly dink and dunk label came from (hence why I posted the second video as well). We never even had a RB outlet under Kyle until we traded for CMC. Is Brock more aggressive? Yes. But unless his name is Alex Smith, most rookies are by nature. They tend to become more conservative and cautious over time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Shhh, one poor pass.

Lol is this what people are complaining about?

Haha. I'm expecting at least 35 pages on this video clip. LOL