Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I think he just needs one or two more years tops. Most of his growth will come from playing. One more year on a winning team while spending another off-season with Christensen will probably do him wonders.

I'll say this though: if it's a tossup between Trey and Sam for the number 2 spot, I'm giving it to Trey so I can use him in spot gimmick situations where we can threaten a QB power play. Not sure on the new QB rules though, but if I have to have one and they're even, I'm going with the guy comfortable of doing what Jalen Hurts does in Philly.

lol.. and who would that be?

Clearly Trey. Trey has been used as a bulldozer his entire life at QB, including in the NFL, and it worked in the NFL. His injury was a freak accident. Much like Jimmy's.

lord help you if you are watching Jalen Hurts and you are watching Trey Lance and you think they are on the same level, running the football
I am just floored by this thread on a daily basis

He gives Trey the credit for runs that have nothing to do with him, so it might not be about being on Hurts level as an individual. Somebody posted a run play on Reddit that he gave Trey the credit for, and not one person in the comments mentions Trey lol

Here it is:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/140jve0/highlight_deebo_samuel_turns_a_loss_into_a_51/

No, that's you once again failing to acknowledge that two linebackers bit in the middle because of the QB power threat. Had they not, that's a ten yard run. You already thoroughly lost this argument. The threat of the QB run up the middle affects defenses. 5 yard runs. That's right. 5 yard runs affect defenses. Because you can march right down the field.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I think he just needs one or two more years tops. Most of his growth will come from playing. One more year on a winning team while spending another off-season with Christensen will probably do him wonders.

I'll say this though: if it's a tossup between Trey and Sam for the number 2 spot, I'm giving it to Trey so I can use him in spot gimmick situations where we can threaten a QB power play. Not sure on the new QB rules though, but if I have to have one and they're even, I'm going with the guy comfortable of doing what Jalen Hurts does in Philly.

lol.. and who would that be?

Clearly Trey. Trey has been used as a bulldozer his entire life at QB, including in the NFL, and it worked in the NFL. His injury was a freak accident. Much like Jimmy's.

lord help you if you are watching Jalen Hurts and you are watching Trey Lance and you think they are on the same level, running the football
I am just floored by this thread on a daily basis

Right.

Attempts per broken tackle:
Hurts: 20.4
Trey: 8.0
(Lower is better; Lamar Jackson was also 8.0 last year. Jimmy had 46 in 2019. Josh Allen was 10.2 in 2021 and 24.2 last year).

Yards after contact per attempt (each year of their career):
Hurts: 1.1, 1.0, 0.8
Trey: 1.4, 1.1

Trey runs through contact more.
.
.

I know it's hard to set aside your intuition and opinion and actually look at observable reality, but you may want to try it at some point. Trey is solid at QB power and draws straight up the gut. It's what he's good at as a runner.

This right here:



Not this:

Are you seeing this guys? He's actually arguing TL > Hurts as a runner.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Aiyuk wins routes all over the field, including deep.

Too bad he's a 4th option though. Maybe Kyle should let his QB's know he should be the primary deep much more after 7 years.

Dude do you seriously believe that he's forcing his QBs to look low to high? You seriously think he's forcing his QBs to throw into the middle of the field in the 10-19 yard range among all the traffic all game?

totally disagree. There was shots to be had in that Raiders game that weren't short/intermediate plays that kyle said Brock missed.

If you truly believe that. Then kyle would have destroyed Allen and Mahomes careers and thank god we didn't draft them. Why in the world would he have wanted Stafford and Lance if that was the case? Why draft gray? Why sniff around at Watson before the off field stuff? He clearly wasn't a fit for his normal kubiak offense if you watched him last yr.

imo he's calling plays to his QB's strengths nothing more nothing less. He has his staple plays but he tailors the offense to his guys.

it's funny when you bring up Deebo and such as why it's all his short YAC plays…in that draft it was reported they also wanted DK but he got scooped up before we could draft him.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I think he just needs one or two more years tops. Most of his growth will come from playing. One more year on a winning team while spending another off-season with Christensen will probably do him wonders.

I'll say this though: if it's a tossup between Trey and Sam for the number 2 spot, I'm giving it to Trey so I can use him in spot gimmick situations where we can threaten a QB power play. Not sure on the new QB rules though, but if I have to have one and they're even, I'm going with the guy comfortable of doing what Jalen Hurts does in Philly.

lol.. and who would that be?

Clearly Trey. Trey has been used as a bulldozer his entire life at QB, including in the NFL, and it worked in the NFL. His injury was a freak accident. Much like Jimmy's.

lord help you if you are watching Jalen Hurts and you are watching Trey Lance and you think they are on the same level, running the football
I am just floored by this thread on a daily basis

Right.

Attempts per broken tackle:
Hurts: 20.4
Trey: 8.0
(Lower is better; Lamar Jackson was also 8.0 last year. Jimmy had 46 in 2019. Josh Allen was 10.2 in 2021 and 24.2 last year).

Yards after contact per attempt (each year of their career):
Hurts: 1.1, 1.0, 0.8
Trey: 1.4, 1.1

Trey runs through contact more.
.
.

I know it's hard to set aside your intuition and opinion and actually look at observable reality, but you may want to try it at some point. Trey is solid at QB power and draws straight up the gut. It's what he's good at as a runner.

This right here:

Not this:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I think he just needs one or two more years tops. Most of his growth will come from playing. One more year on a winning team while spending another off-season with Christensen will probably do him wonders.

I'll say this though: if it's a tossup between Trey and Sam for the number 2 spot, I'm giving it to Trey so I can use him in spot gimmick situations where we can threaten a QB power play. Not sure on the new QB rules though, but if I have to have one and they're even, I'm going with the guy comfortable of doing what Jalen Hurts does in Philly.

lol.. and who would that be?

Clearly Trey. Trey has been used as a bulldozer his entire life at QB, including in the NFL, and it worked in the NFL. His injury was a freak accident. Much like Jimmy's.

lord help you if you are watching Jalen Hurts and you are watching Trey Lance and you think they are on the same level, running the football
I am just floored by this thread on a daily basis

Right.

Attempts per broken tackle:
Hurts: 20.4
Trey: 8.0
(Lower is better; Lamar Jackson was also 8.0 last year. Jimmy had 46 in 2019. Josh Allen was 10.2 in 2021 and 24.2 last year).

Yards after contact per attempt (each year of their career):
Hurts: 1.1, 1.0, 0.8
Trey: 1.4, 1.1

Trey runs through contact more.
.
.

I know it's hard to set aside your intuition and opinion and actually look at observable reality, but you may want to try it at some point. Trey is solid at QB power and draws straight up the gut. It's what he's good at as a runner.

This right here:



Not this:

Are you seeing this guys? He's actually arguing TL > Hurts as a runner.

Are you seeing this guy? He's literally creating a straw man argument and thinking by shooting down an argument I never made that he's somehow won.

Yeah no. I said, "Comfortable doing the same things," and then pointed out he breaks more tackles per run than Hurts. That doesn't mean he's a "better runner." It means he's good at runs up the gut for a QB. It could also indicate that he doesn't have as good blocking as Hurts. Regardless, he IS comfortable DOING THE SAME THINGS, which is what I said, which you astoundingly interpreted as, "as good a runner as Jalen Hurts." Is it your reading [deleted for site decorum], or is something else going on? Drugs or alcohol? I don't understand. Why did you insert things that are not there in what I said? If I say, "Brock Purdy is comfortable doing some of the same things as Mahomes with his feet not set in the 12 yard window," is that me saying he's as good as Mahomes?

Why is it so difficult to read what someone said and address what they said, and not a ludicrous straw man? I did not say nor did I imply Lance was a better runner than Hurts. I didn't even say he was overall as good. I said he can COMFORTABLY RUN THE SAME PLAYS, more than Darnold. That is what I said. And for some reason you must have thought it was a tensor equation because the information just floated off into the aether and you replaced it with something else entirely.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I think he just needs one or two more years tops. Most of his growth will come from playing. One more year on a winning team while spending another off-season with Christensen will probably do him wonders.

I'll say this though: if it's a tossup between Trey and Sam for the number 2 spot, I'm giving it to Trey so I can use him in spot gimmick situations where we can threaten a QB power play. Not sure on the new QB rules though, but if I have to have one and they're even, I'm going with the guy comfortable of doing what Jalen Hurts does in Philly.

lol.. and who would that be?

Clearly Trey. Trey has been used as a bulldozer his entire life at QB, including in the NFL, and it worked in the NFL. His injury was a freak accident. Much like Jimmy's.

lord help you if you are watching Jalen Hurts and you are watching Trey Lance and you think they are on the same level, running the football
I am just floored by this thread on a daily basis

Where did he say they were on the same level? Come on faithful.

I literally didn't. This guy made up a straw man.

I did later point out that Trey breaks more tackles per run and has more yards per contact per attempt. But that information is with a small sample size and may only mean a little. Regardless, it IS a fact that Lance is pretty good doing those QB runs up the middle, and he's CERTAINLY comfortable doing it. Which is what I originally said, which for some asinine reason, Faithful claimed I said he was a better runner than Hurts.

I feel like I'm talking to a zoo exhibit sometimes here. Why is it so hard to actually read a post?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Are you seeing this guys? He's actually arguing TL > Hurts as a runner.

One team has a compete offense based around hurts and the RPO/read option. The other had a half ass attempt to toss it in every once in a while.

Fun fact, Philly tried trading for Russ last off season but he used his no-trade clause and put the kibosh on the trade. Philly wasn't even sold on Hurts lol.

he developed and they called plays to his strengths and now he's one of the highest paid players in the NFL. Shocking how that can work.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Are you seeing this guys? He's actually arguing TL > Hurts as a runner.

One team has a compete offense based around hurts and the RPO/read option. The other had a half ass attempt to toss it in every once in a while.

Fun fact, Philly tried trading for Russ last off season but he used his no-trade clause and put the kibosh on the trade. Philly wasn't even sold on Hurts lol.

he developed and they called plays to his strengths and now he's one of the highest paid players in the NFL. Shocking how that can work.

I literally didn't say what he claims I said. I'm a bit astounded. This guy's pulling a politician here and straight up lying thinking everyone will pretend that he's not lying (I won't mention a politician by name, but I think you know of whom I speak).

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I literally didn't. This guy made up a straw man.

I did later point out that Trey breaks more tackles per run and has more yards per contact per attempt. But that information is with a small sample size and may only mean a little. Regardless, it IS a fact that Lance is pretty good doing those QB runs up the middle, and he's CERTAINLY comfortable doing it. Which is what I originally said, which for some asinine reason, Faithful claimed I said he was a better runner than Hurts.

I feel like I'm talking to a zoo exhibit sometimes here. Why is it so hard to actually read a post?

That's what he does….

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Are you seeing this guys? He's actually arguing TL > Hurts as a runner.

One team has a compete offense based around hurts and the RPO/read option. The other had a half ass attempt to toss it in every once in a while.

Fun fact, Philly tried trading for Russ last off season but he used his no-trade clause and put the kibosh on the trade. Philly wasn't even sold on Hurts lol.

he developed and they called plays to his strengths and now he's one of the highest paid players in the NFL. Shocking how that can work.

I literally didn't say what he claims I said. I'm a bit astounded. This guy's pulling a politician here and straight up lying thinking everyone will pretend that he's not lying (I won't mention a politician by name, but I think you know of whom I speak).

I never said you did and I know you didn't.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I literally didn't. This guy made up a straw man.

I did later point out that Trey breaks more tackles per run and has more yards per contact per attempt. But that information is with a small sample size and may only mean a little. Regardless, it IS a fact that Lance is pretty good doing those QB runs up the middle, and he's CERTAINLY comfortable doing it. Which is what I originally said, which for some asinine reason, Faithful claimed I said he was a better runner than Hurts.

I feel like I'm talking to a zoo exhibit sometimes here. Why is it so hard to actually read a post?

That's what he does….

So you're saying Faithful is a dirty deceiver?

EDIT: don't answer that. Site rules.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Are you seeing this guys? He's actually arguing TL > Hurts as a runner.

One team has a compete offense based around hurts and the RPO/read option. The other had a half ass attempt to toss it in every once in a while.

Fun fact, Philly tried trading for Russ last off season but he used his no-trade clause and put the kibosh on the trade. Philly wasn't even sold on Hurts lol.

he developed and they called plays to his strengths and now he's one of the highest paid players in the NFL. Shocking how that can work.

I literally didn't say what he claims I said. I'm a bit astounded. This guy's pulling a politician here and straight up lying thinking everyone will pretend that he's not lying (I won't mention a politician by name, but I think you know of whom I speak).

I never said you did and I know you didn't.

I know. I'm just whining to you about it.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I know. I'm just whining to you about it.

I'm use to it. Can't have a legit convo with him about it.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I think he just needs one or two more years tops. Most of his growth will come from playing. One more year on a winning team while spending another off-season with Christensen will probably do him wonders.

I'll say this though: if it's a tossup between Trey and Sam for the number 2 spot, I'm giving it to Trey so I can use him in spot gimmick situations where we can threaten a QB power play. Not sure on the new QB rules though, but if I have to have one and they're even, I'm going with the guy comfortable of doing what Jalen Hurts does in Philly.

lol.. and who would that be?

Clearly Trey. Trey has been used as a bulldozer his entire life at QB, including in the NFL, and it worked in the NFL. His injury was a freak accident. Much like Jimmy's.

lord help you if you are watching Jalen Hurts and you are watching Trey Lance and you think they are on the same level, running the football
I am just floored by this thread on a daily basis

Right.

Attempts per broken tackle:
Hurts: 20.4
Trey: 8.0
(Lower is better; Lamar Jackson was also 8.0 last year. Jimmy had 46 in 2019. Josh Allen was 10.2 in 2021 and 24.2 last year).

Yards after contact per attempt (each year of their career):
Hurts: 1.1, 1.0, 0.8
Trey: 1.4, 1.1

Trey runs through contact more.
.
.

I know it's hard to set aside your intuition and opinion and actually look at observable reality, but you may want to try it at some point. Trey is solid at QB power and draws straight up the gut. It's what he's good at as a runner.

This right here:

Not this:

Out of curiosity I noticed you did every year of their career for their YAC but not for Broken tackles. Is it because it didn't fit your argument?

Trey's career attempts/ BT is 27 by far more than Jalen's 17 attempts/BT

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Are you seeing this guys? He's actually arguing TL > Hurts as a runner.