Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I'm all for being critical of Trey if they let him throw and he couldn't deliver. But they couldn't even do that!! He didn't get a chance. And now for another year plus we will have to hear "fans" mock Lance the player without him getting a chance to show what he can do through the air.

I've never been down on Kyle as much as I am today.

Im glad we have Jimmy and Purdy so our season isn't over. But I would have rather lost by 40 than have Lance out the full season.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Every word of this. If Kyle didn't trust Lance to throw, he shouldn't have named him the starter. As soon as Jimmy came in, we got back to a regular offense. Running your QB up the gut that much is asking for exactly what happened.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
So which game did he not air it out enough for you guys? Was it the tropical storm in Chicago? Or the 1st quarter vs Seattle?

Here's a post of yours from the day he was injured. You can see a bunch more from others starting ~ page 3120.

As far as wanting Kyle to air it out more with Lance... that's not really what I would argue was a proper solution. The bolded part of your post is.

*edited in the post you responded to then*

Dude, your parents should be real proud that you've got this much time to goof around on the Internet LOL. I have always stated on this very forum that I'm capable of changing my view based on new facts and or evidence being provided, so thank you for highlighting that. If you believe that people should hold steadfast in their position despite new facts coming to light, then the final piece of the puzzle just fell into place on my opinion of you.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Purdy's ascension last year really exposed the weaknesses in Jimmy and Trey. He hadn't taken a single first-team rep but went in against the Dolphins and did very well. Then absolutely tore it up the rest of the season. Same weapons, same OL, same coach, etc. He can run the offense the way Kyle wants, and he's able to create when the play call doesn't work. I was angry as hell when Kyle was running Trey the way he was, but it's pretty clear now that Kyle was calling the best game he could for Trey based on what he was able to do.

100 percent.

He had to call what he felt gave us the best chance to win games with Trey at QB. Letting a QB with erratic accuracy, among other things, air it out is a recipe for losing.

If he wasn't ready to execute our offense, with his ability to attack defenses with his legs as a bonus, he shouldn't have been playing.

We're not making this mistake again. That was obvious going into this offseason and why their moves have been entirely predictable.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Dude, your parents should be real proud that you've got this much time to goof around on the Internet LOL. I have always stated on this very forum that I'm capable of changing my view based on new facts and or evidence being provided, so thank you for highlighting that. If you believe that people should hold steadfast in their position despite new facts coming to light, then the final piece of the puzzle just fell into place on my opinion of you.

I know the day he got hurt. Took me 10 minutes to find your post.

You haven't presented any new evidence, or any evidence of your 'new' position period. It's just biased nonsense.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Dude, your parents should be real proud that you've got this much time to goof around on the Internet LOL. I have always stated on this very forum that I'm capable of changing my view based on new facts and or evidence being provided, so thank you for highlighting that. If you believe that people should hold steadfast in their position despite new facts coming to light, then the final piece of the puzzle just fell into place on my opinion of you.

I know the day he got hurt. Took me 10 minutes to find your post.

You haven't presented any new evidence, or any evidence of your 'new' position period. It's just biased nonsense.

Wait, what? You really think I'm required to present evidence to YOU on why I changed my view? LMAO, do I need your permission or something? GTFO
Tell you what, since you've just made it perfectly clear, you are completely opposed to anyone changing their mind, there is zero point in having any intellectual discussion with you. Ever.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Wait, what? You really think I'm required to present evidence to YOU on why I changed my view? LMAO, do I need your permission or something? GTFO

That's just how debates work. You make a claim, you support it with evidence.

Or you can just look foolish. It's transparent.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Wait, what? You really think I'm required to present evidence to YOU on why I changed my view? LMAO, do I need your permission or something? GTFO

That's just how debates work. You make a claim, you support it with evidence.

Or you can just look foolish. It's transparent.

Listen, I won't be lectured on looking foolish in a debate from someone who resorts to childish behavior and name calling when they lose them. That's what I consider foolish. If there's a rule in here, requiring said evidence, I have not seen it and really don't feel obliged to simply obey you of all people. Personally, I find it more foolish to not change one's mind when presented with fact. I had an opinion nearly a year ago in the heat of the moment, and have since changed my view. I don't need your permission, and IDGAF about your opinion.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Purdy's ascension last year really exposed the weaknesses in Jimmy and Trey. He hadn't taken a single first-team rep but went in against the Dolphins and did very well. Then absolutely tore it up the rest of the season. Same weapons, same OL, same coach, etc. He can run the offense the way Kyle wants, and he's able to create when the play call doesn't work. I was angry as hell when Kyle was running Trey the way he was, but it's pretty clear now that Kyle was calling the best game he could for Trey based on what he was able to do.

100 percent.

He had to call what he felt gave us the best chance to win games with Trey at QB. Letting a QB with erratic accuracy, among other things, air it out is a recipe for losing.

If he wasn't ready to execute our offense, with his ability to attack defenses with his legs as a bonus, he shouldn't have been playing.

We're not making this mistake again. That was obvious going into this offseason and why their moves have been entirely predictable.

I disagree that he had to call the game that way. Was it what was best to give us the best chance to win? Probably, and that's why Kyle called it the way he did. But for what we invested to get Trey, it would be nice to find out if he has it or not. Some players simply perform better in games than they do in practice, so I wish Trey had been given that chance; even if it meant a greater chance at the team losing. More than likely he wouldn't have gotten hurt, and more than likely after 4-5 games we'd be much closer to having our answer if he's a QB1.

I do agree that Kyle is not going to start Trey if he's not able to run the offense the way he wants. Assuming Purdy is healthy and Darnold is able to run it in practice.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I disagree that he had to call the game that way. Was it what was best to give us the best chance to win? Probably, and that's why Kyle called it the way he did. But for what we invested to get Trey, it would be nice to find out if he has it or not. Some players simply perform better in games than they do in practice, so I wish Trey had been given that chance; even if it meant a greater chance at the team losing. More than likely he wouldn't have gotten hurt, and more than likely after 4-5 games we'd be much closer to having our answer if he's a QB1.

I do agree that Kyle is not going to start Trey if he's not able to run the offense the way he wants. Assuming Purdy is healthy and Darnold is able to run it in practice.

I'm not sure he had to either. I'm just saying it was clear he felt that way, otherwise he wouldn't have done it. Again, Kyle did not forget how to run a good offense because Trey was his QB. There's no f'ing way the offense we saw with Trey was Kyle's ideal offensive strategy.

If it was Brock wouldn't be the 'leader in the clubhouse' and we wouldn't have signed a QB to compete with Trey for QB2 who also isn't going to run an offense that looked like what we saw with Trey.

Kyle mismanaged the QB spot big time going into last season. He seemingly hit a home run with Purdy and bailed us out of a potential disaster. Meanwhile Trey as an individual is absolutely screwed here unless he very quickly and miraculously makes a huge leap without something nearly everyone thinks he needs: real playing experience.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Listen, I won't be lectured on looking foolish in a debate from someone who resorts to childish behavior and name calling when they lose them. That's what I consider foolish. If there's a rule in here, requiring said evidence, I have not seen it and really don't feel obliged to simply obey you of all people. Personally, I find it more foolish to not change one's mind when presented with fact. I had an opinion nearly a year ago in the heat of the moment, and have since changed my view. I don't need your permission, and IDGAF about your opinion.

Posting your own words isn't childish. You talking about my parents being proud that I have the time to do just that, is.

I understand your position has changed. It's not because there's new evidence. The evidence is completely against your new position. If you had evidence, you'd likely post it. Enjoy your day!

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I disagree that he had to call the game that way. Was it what was best to give us the best chance to win? Probably, and that's why Kyle called it the way he did. But for what we invested to get Trey, it would be nice to find out if he has it or not. Some players simply perform better in games than they do in practice, so I wish Trey had been given that chance; even if it meant a greater chance at the team losing. More than likely he wouldn't have gotten hurt, and more than likely after 4-5 games we'd be much closer to having our answer if he's a QB1.

I do agree that Kyle is not going to start Trey if he's not able to run the offense the way he wants. Assuming Purdy is healthy and Darnold is able to run it in practice.

I'm not sure he had to either. I'm just saying it was clear he felt that way, otherwise he wouldn't have done it. Again, Kyle did not forget how to run a good offense because Trey was his QB. There's no f'ing way the offense we saw with Trey was Kyle's ideal offensive strategy.

If it was Brock wouldn't be the 'leader in the clubhouse' and we wouldn't have signed a QB to compete with Trey for QB2 who also isn't going to run an offense that looked like what we saw with Trey.

Kyle mismanaged the QB spot big time going into last season. He seemingly hit a home run with Purdy and bailed us out of a potential disaster. Meanwhile Trey as an individual is absolutely screwed here unless he very quickly and miraculously makes a huge leap without something nearly everyone thinks he needs: real playing experience.

Agreed with all of this. I feel bad for Trey. This was the wrong spot for him, and it was wrong for anyone to pick him that high. Expectations through the roof. We gave up too much. It is what it is at this point. Purdy absolutely bailed out Kyle and the whole franchise (as well as us fans). Let's hope he continues to be what he has been.

For Trey, it's not looking like he will get a real shot here. So whether he's traded or eventually released, I hope he goes to a team where he can start and get the experience he needs. I still think he has the tools to be a good/great QB. We just don't have the time to wait for that to happen, our window is right now.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Listen, I won't be lectured on looking foolish in a debate from someone who resorts to childish behavior and name calling when they lose them. That's what I consider foolish. If there's a rule in here, requiring said evidence, I have not seen it and really don't feel obliged to simply obey you of all people. Personally, I find it more foolish to not change one's mind when presented with fact. I had an opinion nearly a year ago in the heat of the moment, and have since changed my view. I don't need your permission, and IDGAF about your opinion.

Posting your own words isn't childish. You talking about my parents being proud that I have the time to do just that, is.

I understand your position has changed. It's not because there's new evidence. The evidence is completely against your new position. If you had evidence, you'd likely post it. Enjoy your day!

So you have a good enough memory to remember all of my posts and the exact days I posted everything, but you don't have a good enough memory to remember you are tantrum and calling me names? Guess I shoulda left your mute on.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Agreed with all of this. I feel bad for Trey. This was the wrong spot for him, and it was wrong for anyone to pick him that high. Expectations through the roof. We gave up too much.

Why the soliloquy?

No need to feel bad for a guy in his early 20's that's getting paid much more than you or I ever will.

He's got a bright future ahead of him and his career's nowhere near over from the looks of it. He'd probably disagree with you on being a system QB that's on the wrong team and/or can only be used a certain way.

Enough of that stuff,...where are the throws he's made that we can highlight and break down regarding ball movement?

Assuming we take Purdy in any conceivable scenario it wouldn't matter what other decision was made he would've made the team have to rethink things. No different then Tom Brady had to make the Pats rethink things.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
So you have a good enough memory to remember all of my posts and the exact days I posted everything, but you don't have a good enough memory to remember you are tantrum and calling me names? Guess I shoulda left your mute on.

I didn't remember your post. I went to the day he was injured in the thread to see what I could find. I definitely know how you post... so I figured I would find something useful.

You can stop lying with the rest of your post. I sarcastically called you a genius one time when you insulted my reading comprehension. Anybody who reads this back and forth can judge it for themselves. Feel free to mute me, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I'm not sure he had to either. I'm just saying it was clear he felt that way, otherwise he wouldn't have done it. Again, Kyle did not forget how to run a good offense because Trey was his QB. There's no f'ing way the offense we saw with Trey was Kyle's ideal offensive strategy.

If it was Brock wouldn't be the 'leader in the clubhouse' and we wouldn't have signed a QB to compete with Trey for QB2 who also isn't going to run an offense that looked like what we saw with Trey.

Kyle mismanaged the QB spot big time going into last season. He seemingly hit a home run with Purdy and bailed us out of a potential disaster. Meanwhile Trey as an individual is absolutely screwed here unless he very quickly and miraculously makes a huge leap without something nearly everyone thinks he needs: real playing experience.

I don't think TL is screwed, yet maybe that is because I don't think regular season reps are a necessary part of the equation. The whole KS concept was he develops from the bench for the most part, year 1.

So he has all summer to make a push, and if he needs to sit year 3, others have done that and been fine. We typically need 1-2 or more QBs to get through a campaign. I doubt he's played his last snap with SF, he'll get chances as we go forward, will he be ready and showcase his ability?