Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Answering my question? LMFAO, that's rich. You jumped into a discussion I was having with someone else, dug up a post of mine from a year ago when I had a different opinion, then demanded evidence on why I changed said opinion. Grow up man.

This is a public message board where people freely jump into conversations. We had already had one back and forth before I cited your own words as a mirror image of my answer to your question.

You guys are absolutely ridiculous.

You are NOT free to demand evidence from anyone on why they change their opinion. I actually come here because there are so many posters who bring a ton of information that I wouldn't get elsewhere, and yes, sometimes when debating with those who know more it causes me to change my mind. The fact that you are so riled up over such a thought leaves no reason to discuss anything with you. You have no intention of ever changing your position, so you must be here simply for confrontational purposes. That makes you superfluous. Like a 3rd nipple.

SLC, agree or not with Smokey, he keeps it pretty even keel, and on football. The posts he shared on are Lance, which is the topic. You aren't even pretending to mention Lance anymore, it's just pure emotion, and nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you want to communicate with him directly I would say take it PM, but I don't wish that upon Smokey. I suggest, just ignore him and move on if you can't reply to him about football or Lance without getting into a diatribe. I mean you have multiple posts explaining to him at this point, that you are done talking to him, so be it, and move on, for the rest of our sakes please, so it can get back to football.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Answering my question? LMFAO, that's rich. You jumped into a discussion I was having with someone else, dug up a post of mine from a year ago when I had a different opinion, then demanded evidence on why I changed said opinion. Grow up man.

This is a public message board where people freely jump into conversations. We had already had one back and forth before I cited your own words as a mirror image of my answer to your question.

You guys are absolutely ridiculous.

You are NOT free to demand evidence from anyone on why they change their opinion. I actually come here because there are so many posters who bring a ton of information that I wouldn't get elsewhere, and yes, sometimes when debating with those who know more it causes me to change my mind. The fact that you are so riled up over such a thought leaves no reason to discuss anything with you. You have no intention of ever changing your position, so you must be here simply for confrontational purposes. That makes you superfluous. Like a 3rd nipple.

SLC, agree or not with Smokey, he keeps it pretty even keel, and on football. The posts he shared on are Lance, which is the topic. You aren't even pretending to mention Lance anymore, it's just pure emotion, and nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you want to communicate with him directly I would say take it PM, but I don't wish that upon Smokey. I suggest, just ignore him and move on if you can't reply to him about football or Lance without getting into a diatribe. I mean you have multiple posts explaining to him at this point, that you are done talking to him, so be it, and move on, for the rest of our sakes please, so it can get back to football.

I'm good man. I think Kyle called designed runs for Trey because for the first time since Washington he had a QB capable of running. You, he and a few others feel he called these runs because he didn't think Trey could throw a football well enough. I won't ask any of you to provide evidence on why you thought that because, not only am I NOT a raging dick with an inferiority complex, it doesn't exist. I don't believe Kyle would name Trey the starting QB, who's main job description is to throw the football mind you, would name a guy the starter if he didn't have confidence in his ability to throw the ball. So while our OPINIONS on this matter differ, our approach to discussing it differs even more. I'm not here to argue or catch someone in whatever a gotcha thing is. So hopefully July gets here sooner than expected and we'll all see how Kyle attacks the schedule, rather than speculating and looking to put others down.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Agreed with all of this. I feel bad for Trey. This was the wrong spot for him, and it was wrong for anyone to pick him that high. Expectations through the roof. We gave up too much.

Why the soliloquy?

No need to feel bad for a guy in his early 20's that's getting paid much more than you or I ever will.

He's got a bright future ahead of him and his career's nowhere near over from the looks of it. He'd probably disagree with you on being a system QB that's on the wrong team and/or can only be used a certain way.

Enough of that stuff,...where are the throws he's made that we can highlight and break down regarding ball movement?

I don't think you know what a soliloquy is lol.

And I'm not saying I feel bad for him as a human being living on this earth. This is a football message board and we're in the team forum, so it's about football. From that standpoint, he's had a rough go of it so far. To only have been able to play a handful of games/snaps sucks for him. It also sucks that he was drafted too high, and it sucks for us and him that we had to give up so much to get him (because it added unnecessary pressure). He seems like a good kid and has a lot of talent, so I hope for him he's able to get to a better situation for him. I suppose it's possible that he has a miraculous turnaround this season and is able to do that with us, but it seems like a long shot at this point.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Answering my question? LMFAO, that's rich. You jumped into a discussion I was having with someone else, dug up a post of mine from a year ago when I had a different opinion, then demanded evidence on why I changed said opinion. Grow up man.

This is a public message board where people freely jump into conversations. We had already had one back and forth before I cited your own words as a mirror image of my answer to your question.

You guys are absolutely ridiculous.

You are NOT free to demand evidence from anyone on why they change their opinion. I actually come here because there are so many posters who bring a ton of information that I wouldn't get elsewhere, and yes, sometimes when debating with those who know more it causes me to change my mind. The fact that you are so riled up over such a thought leaves no reason to discuss anything with you. You have no intention of ever changing your position, so you must be here simply for confrontational purposes. That makes you superfluous. Like a 3rd nipple.

SLC, agree or not with Smokey, he keeps it pretty even keel, and on football. The posts he shared on are Lance, which is the topic. You aren't even pretending to mention Lance anymore, it's just pure emotion, and nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you want to communicate with him directly I would say take it PM, but I don't wish that upon Smokey. I suggest, just ignore him and move on if you can't reply to him about football or Lance without getting into a diatribe. I mean you have multiple posts explaining to him at this point, that you are done talking to him, so be it, and move on, for the rest of our sakes please, so it can get back to football.

I'm good man. I think Kyle called designed runs for Trey because for the first time since Washington he had a QB capable of running. You, he and a few others feel he called these runs because he didn't think Trey could throw a football well enough. I won't ask any of you to provide evidence on why you thought that because, not only am I not a raging dick, I'm fairly sure it doesn't exist. I don't believe Kyle would name Trey the starting QB, who's main job description is to throw the football mind you, would name a guy the starter if he didn't have confidence in his ability to throw the ball. So while our OPINIONS on this matter differ, our approach to discussing it differs even more. I'm not here to argue or catch someone in whatever a gotcha thing is. So hopefully July gets her sooner than expected and we'll all see how Kyle attacks the schedule, rather than speculating and looking to put others down.

Kyle didn't want the running QB in Washington though. He wanted the one that couldn't run.

He didn't want Fields at all, but considered Mac Jones.

You can believe what you want, but the evidence definitely does not suggest Kyle is giddy to implement the QB run game. At least not as much as he did with Trey

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Kyle didn't want the running QB in Washington though. He wanted the one that couldn't run.

He didn't want Fields at all, but considered Mac Jones.

You can believe what you want, but the evidence definitely does not suggest Kyle is giddy to implement the QB run game. At least not as much as he did with Trey

The play selection/mix was also different.

RG3 averaged 8 rushes a game his rookie season in Washington and Trey has averaged 12 in his 3 *full* starts here. That's a 50 percent increase for Trey in the limited sample. In spite of Trey getting blasted on a lot of those runs.

The Washington offense in '12 was a lot more dynamic than what we've seen with Trey to this point. They didn't have better players around RG3 either. Kyle was using the read option and giving RG3 half field reads to ease him into NFL football… and he was obviously extremely successful until the injury and subsequent issues that followed.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Agreed with all of this. I feel bad for Trey. This was the wrong spot for him, and it was wrong for anyone to pick him that high. Expectations through the roof. We gave up too much.

Why the soliloquy?

No need to feel bad for a guy in his early 20's that's getting paid much more than you or I ever will.

He's got a bright future ahead of him and his career's nowhere near over from the looks of it. He'd probably disagree with you on being a system QB that's on the wrong team and/or can only be used a certain way.

Enough of that stuff,...where are the throws he's made that we can highlight and break down regarding ball movement?

I don't think you know what a soliloquy is lol.

And I'm not saying I feel bad for him as a human being living on this earth. This is a football message board and we're in the team forum, so it's about football. From that standpoint, he's had a rough go of it so far. To only have been able to play a handful of games/snaps sucks for him. It also sucks that he was drafted too high, and it sucks for us and him that we had to give up so much to get him (because it added unnecessary pressure). He seems like a good kid and has a lot of talent, so I hope for him he's able to get to a better situation for him. I suppose it's possible that he has a miraculous turnaround this season and is able to do that with us, but it seems like a long shot at this point.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Answering my question? LMFAO, that's rich. You jumped into a discussion I was having with someone else, dug up a post of mine from a year ago when I had a different opinion, then demanded evidence on why I changed said opinion. Grow up man.

This is a public message board where people freely jump into conversations. We had already had one back and forth before I cited your own words as a mirror image of my answer to your question.

You guys are absolutely ridiculous.

You are NOT free to demand evidence from anyone on why they change their opinion. I actually come here because there are so many posters who bring a ton of information that I wouldn't get elsewhere, and yes, sometimes when debating with those who know more it causes me to change my mind. The fact that you are so riled up over such a thought leaves no reason to discuss anything with you. You have no intention of ever changing your position, so you must be here simply for confrontational purposes. That makes you superfluous. Like a 3rd nipple.

SLC, agree or not with Smokey, he keeps it pretty even keel, and on football. The posts he shared on are Lance, which is the topic. You aren't even pretending to mention Lance anymore, it's just pure emotion, and nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you want to communicate with him directly I would say take it PM, but I don't wish that upon Smokey. I suggest, just ignore him and move on if you can't reply to him about football or Lance without getting into a diatribe. I mean you have multiple posts explaining to him at this point, that you are done talking to him, so be it, and move on, for the rest of our sakes please, so it can get back to football.

I'm good man. I think Kyle called designed runs for Trey because for the first time since Washington he had a QB capable of running. You, he and a few others feel he called these runs because he didn't think Trey could throw a football well enough. I won't ask any of you to provide evidence on why you thought that because, not only am I not a raging dick, I'm fairly sure it doesn't exist. I don't believe Kyle would name Trey the starting QB, who's main job description is to throw the football mind you, would name a guy the starter if he didn't have confidence in his ability to throw the ball. So while our OPINIONS on this matter differ, our approach to discussing it differs even more. I'm not here to argue or catch someone in whatever a gotcha thing is. So hopefully July gets her sooner than expected and we'll all see how Kyle attacks the schedule, rather than speculating and looking to put others down.

Kyle didn't want the running QB in Washington though. He wanted the one that couldn't run.

He didn't want Fields at all, but considered Mac Jones.

You can believe what you want, but the evidence definitely does not suggest Kyle is giddy to implement the QB run game. At least not as much as he did with Trey

Normally I would not ask for evidence, but since you brought it up, can you please provide it? I never said Kyle wanted a running QB, a mobile QB, or whatever. In fact, I said that he had a QB who was capable of running for the first time since Washington, but double check with Smokey, he memorizes all of my posts for free.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Answering my question? LMFAO, that's rich. You jumped into a discussion I was having with someone else, dug up a post of mine from a year ago when I had a different opinion, then demanded evidence on why I changed said opinion. Grow up man.

This is a public message board where people freely jump into conversations. We had already had one back and forth before I cited your own words as a mirror image of my answer to your question.

You guys are absolutely ridiculous.

You are NOT free to demand evidence from anyone on why they change their opinion. I actually come here because there are so many posters who bring a ton of information that I wouldn't get elsewhere, and yes, sometimes when debating with those who know more it causes me to change my mind. The fact that you are so riled up over such a thought leaves no reason to discuss anything with you. You have no intention of ever changing your position, so you must be here simply for confrontational purposes. That makes you superfluous. Like a 3rd nipple.

SLC, agree or not with Smokey, he keeps it pretty even keel, and on football. The posts he shared on are Lance, which is the topic. You aren't even pretending to mention Lance anymore, it's just pure emotion, and nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you want to communicate with him directly I would say take it PM, but I don't wish that upon Smokey. I suggest, just ignore him and move on if you can't reply to him about football or Lance without getting into a diatribe. I mean you have multiple posts explaining to him at this point, that you are done talking to him, so be it, and move on, for the rest of our sakes please, so it can get back to football.

I'm good man. I think Kyle called designed runs for Trey because for the first time since Washington he had a QB capable of running. You, he and a few others feel he called these runs because he didn't think Trey could throw a football well enough. I won't ask any of you to provide evidence on why you thought that because, not only am I not a raging dick, I'm fairly sure it doesn't exist. I don't believe Kyle would name Trey the starting QB, who's main job description is to throw the football mind you, would name a guy the starter if he didn't have confidence in his ability to throw the ball. So while our OPINIONS on this matter differ, our approach to discussing it differs even more. I'm not here to argue or catch someone in whatever a gotcha thing is. So hopefully July gets her sooner than expected and we'll all see how Kyle attacks the schedule, rather than speculating and looking to put others down.

Kyle didn't want the running QB in Washington though. He wanted the one that couldn't run.

He didn't want Fields at all, but considered Mac Jones.

You can believe what you want, but the evidence definitely does not suggest Kyle is giddy to implement the QB run game. At least not as much as he did with Trey

I never said Kyle wanted a running QB, a mobile QB, or whatever. In fact, I said that he had a QB who was capable of running for the first time since Washington, but double check with Smokey, he memorizes all of my posts for free.

All evidence suggests Kyle views QBs running as superfluous. Why would he lean on it with Trey like he never had before, if Trey could do what he really likes - quick processing/accurate passing

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Normally I would not ask for evidence, but since you brought it up, can you please provide it? I never said Kyle wanted a running QB, a mobile QB, or whatever. In fact, I said that he had a QB who was capable of running for the first time since Washington, but double check with Smokey, he memorizes all of my posts for free.

-Brock Purdy is the presumed starter, with Lance on our roster.
-Sam Darnold was the veteran insurance policy we signed in free agency to compete with Lance.
-Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, and Deshaun Watson, were linked to us in trade rumors.
-We passed on the clear best runner in the 21 draft in Justin Fields.

Kyle, like any other NFL coach, would like a QB who can win from the pocket and attack a defense with his legs, but the pocket part is first priority. We're not looking to be the Ravens or to a lesser degree the Eagles.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I kept saying it. - Trey didn't look good last off season and the team wasn't confident in him. Just check out this article.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/06/07/george-kittles-praise-for-trey-lance-confirms-his-past-struggles/

You have to be a homer to not have recognized that. It's all fine too. It's the past and he's progressing, that's all that matters. I just don't understand why people refuse to admit he hasn't looked very good. It blows my mind. Lol there are a handful of people in here that refuses to believe the guy hasn't been spectacular. Lol

Yeah it seems like some forgot that Lance looked pretty bad in his last preseason game against the Texans.All everyone talks about is his game vs the Bears, but that last preseason game had fans nervous for the season. Missing easy reads. Throwing passes off target. Offense looked off.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Yeah it seems like some forgot that Lance looked pretty bad in his last preseason game against the Texans.All everyone talks about is his game vs the Bears, but that last preseason game had fans nervous for the season. Missing easy reads. Throwing passes off target. Offense looked off.

They restructured a guy who should have had no leverage to one of the most lucrative backup deals of all time, and called a meeting with vets to make sure they were on board with the plan (and the looming bumps in the road).

It wasn't a secret. I'm sure Kittle's comments in this context will get buried along with the confirmation of the arm fatigue reports.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Wait, what? You really think I'm required to present evidence to YOU on why I changed my view? LMAO, do I need your permission or something? GTFO

That's just how debates work. You make a claim, you support it with evidence.

Or you can just look foolish. It's transparent.

Listen, I won't be lectured on looking foolish in a debate from someone who resorts to childish behavior and name calling when they lose them. That's what I consider foolish.

Same person that posted this

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Dude, your parents should be real proud that you've got this much time to goof around on the Internet LOL.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Answering my question? LMFAO, that's rich. You jumped into a discussion I was having with someone else, dug up a post of mine from a year ago when I had a different opinion, then demanded evidence on why I changed said opinion. Grow up man.

This is a public message board where people freely jump into conversations. We had already had one back and forth before I cited your own words as a mirror image of my answer to your question.

You guys are absolutely ridiculous.

You are NOT free to demand evidence from anyone on why they change their opinion. I actually come here because there are so many posters who bring a ton of information that I wouldn't get elsewhere, and yes, sometimes when debating with those who know more it causes me to change my mind. The fact that you are so riled up over such a thought leaves no reason to discuss anything with you. You have no intention of ever changing your position, so you must be here simply for confrontational purposes. That makes you superfluous. Like a 3rd nipple.

SLC, agree or not with Smokey, he keeps it pretty even keel, and on football. The posts he shared on are Lance, which is the topic. You aren't even pretending to mention Lance anymore, it's just pure emotion, and nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you want to communicate with him directly I would say take it PM, but I don't wish that upon Smokey. I suggest, just ignore him and move on if you can't reply to him about football or Lance without getting into a diatribe. I mean you have multiple posts explaining to him at this point, that you are done talking to him, so be it, and move on, for the rest of our sakes please, so it can get back to football.

I'm good man. I think Kyle called designed runs for Trey because for the first time since Washington he had a QB capable of running. You, he and a few others feel he called these runs because he didn't think Trey could throw a football well enough. I won't ask any of you to provide evidence on why you thought that because, not only am I not a raging dick, I'm fairly sure it doesn't exist. I don't believe Kyle would name Trey the starting QB, who's main job description is to throw the football mind you, would name a guy the starter if he didn't have confidence in his ability to throw the ball. So while our OPINIONS on this matter differ, our approach to discussing it differs even more. I'm not here to argue or catch someone in whatever a gotcha thing is. So hopefully July gets her sooner than expected and we'll all see how Kyle attacks the schedule, rather than speculating and looking to put others down.

Kyle didn't want the running QB in Washington though. He wanted the one that couldn't run.

He didn't want Fields at all, but considered Mac Jones.

You can believe what you want, but the evidence definitely does not suggest Kyle is giddy to implement the QB run game. At least not as much as he did with Trey

I never said Kyle wanted a running QB, a mobile QB, or whatever. In fact, I said that he had a QB who was capable of running for the first time since Washington, but double check with Smokey, he memorizes all of my posts for free.

All evidence suggests Kyle views QBs running as superfluous. Why would he lean on it with Trey like he never had before, if Trey could do what he really likes - quick processing/accurate passing

All of the evidence, except the most recent with him trading multiple first round picks to draft, a mobile quarterback, you mean right?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Guy, you can provide evidence for your position and maybe you can change my mind. That's it. Very simple.

I have the same thought now as you had when Lance got injured and in my opinion the new evidence doesn't do anything but reinforce that position.

I'm not demanding a thing from you. But again, this is how points are successfully made. Make a claim… support it. If you don't want to that's fine. You're just not providing a convincing argument without doing so.

I'm telling you now, just as I told Jeepzilla, I did not bring up your post to embarrass you. I brought it up to answer your question. You asked which games I wanted Lance to air it out more, and I argued that airing it out more was not the solution if Kyle didn't think he could, and that instead he shouldn't have been playing. I used your post in conjunction with that idea. I made other posts in response to other posters that followed with the exact same theme.

I'm moving on. Block me if you need to.

You're 100% right in this exchange. Don't let them get to you.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Answering my question? LMFAO, that's rich. You jumped into a discussion I was having with someone else, dug up a post of mine from a year ago when I had a different opinion, then demanded evidence on why I changed said opinion. Grow up man.

This is a public message board where people freely jump into conversations. We had already had one back and forth before I cited your own words as a mirror image of my answer to your question.

You guys are absolutely ridiculous.

You are NOT free to demand evidence from anyone on why they change their opinion. I actually come here because there are so many posters who bring a ton of information that I wouldn't get elsewhere, and yes, sometimes when debating with those who know more it causes me to change my mind. The fact that you are so riled up over such a thought leaves no reason to discuss anything with you. You have no intention of ever changing your position, so you must be here simply for confrontational purposes. That makes you superfluous. Like a 3rd nipple.

SLC, agree or not with Smokey, he keeps it pretty even keel, and on football. The posts he shared on are Lance, which is the topic. You aren't even pretending to mention Lance anymore, it's just pure emotion, and nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you want to communicate with him directly I would say take it PM, but I don't wish that upon Smokey. I suggest, just ignore him and move on if you can't reply to him about football or Lance without getting into a diatribe. I mean you have multiple posts explaining to him at this point, that you are done talking to him, so be it, and move on, for the rest of our sakes please, so it can get back to football.

I'm good man. I think Kyle called designed runs for Trey because for the first time since Washington he had a QB capable of running. You, he and a few others feel he called these runs because he didn't think Trey could throw a football well enough. I won't ask any of you to provide evidence on why you thought that because, not only am I not a raging dick, I'm fairly sure it doesn't exist. I don't believe Kyle would name Trey the starting QB, who's main job description is to throw the football mind you, would name a guy the starter if he didn't have confidence in his ability to throw the ball. So while our OPINIONS on this matter differ, our approach to discussing it differs even more. I'm not here to argue or catch someone in whatever a gotcha thing is. So hopefully July gets her sooner than expected and we'll all see how Kyle attacks the schedule, rather than speculating and looking to put others down.

Kyle didn't want the running QB in Washington though. He wanted the one that couldn't run.

He didn't want Fields at all, but considered Mac Jones.

You can believe what you want, but the evidence definitely does not suggest Kyle is giddy to implement the QB run game. At least not as much as he did with Trey

I never said Kyle wanted a running QB, a mobile QB, or whatever. In fact, I said that he had a QB who was capable of running for the first time since Washington, but double check with Smokey, he memorizes all of my posts for free.

All evidence suggests Kyle views QBs running as superfluous. Why would he lean on it with Trey like he never had before, if Trey could do what he really likes - quick processing/accurate passing

All of the evidence, except the most recent with him trading multiple first round picks to draft, a mobile quarterback, you mean right?

Pocket passing/mobility is ideal, but the mobility is the superfluous trait. He would take a Tom Brady over a player like Hurts or Lamar