Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
No, I believe Kyle is conservative. There's a whole podcast on it with Crocker from yesterday. I believe he coaches up his QB's to take the higher % shots and that's evident over time. I believe he likes to be in control of when the deeper shots are taken hence how JD has highlighted those being set up from earlier designs.
He's had 7 years to construct a team exactly how he wants it. Golden and 9ers4eva believe Aiyuk is our consistent deep threat (which is fine but I don't see the objective evidence for that). We've changed QB's. We still have no consistent deep threat, IMHO. What's the one constant? Kyle. He runs this b***h.
QB's change, spray chart stays the same. In fact, the only change we ever saw was with Trey when he became a FB dive specialist where the spray charts actually flipped.
So no, I'm going to focus on the 95% grounded in history and expect the exact same thing this year. A couple calculated set-up deep shots per game by Kyle using different personnel, mixed in with an off schedule shot once in a while by the QB/conditions but living in Kyle's designs under 20 yards the rest of the time.
Literally the only thing those spray charts show is kyle calling plays that their QBs can make. Do you think Jimmy is gonna head to the Raiders and start pushing it downfield a ton? Do you think if Brock got tossed in a Arians offense that he would all of a sudden be leading the league in air yards? Not a chance. That chart shows that those QBs have similar skill sets. That's all.
was kyle calling in breaking routes and screens when RG3 was the QB? Nah. Dude is forming his scheme around the QBs skill set. It's why he couldn't toggle between Jimmy and Lance his rookie yr. Different skill sets require different play calling.
Acting like how he constructed his offense is proof to them not wanting to push the ball downfield is ridiculous. BA is absolutely a deep threat. Go look at Deebo when lance was throwing, PA deep ball TDs. Danny gray deep threat. Even Pettis was regarded as a full field WR. Not just a possession WR. He clearly couldn't do what he was doing in college here all said and done.
Reports are they wanted DK and Deebo. He DRAFTED Lance for what? His ability to throw a two yard slant or a screen pass? f**k no.
Not a chance kyle plays "conservative" if he's got Allen/burrow/Herbert/Mahomes. Talent matters with play calling.
Jimmy? Jimmy has the 3rd highest air yards ever behind Otto Graham and one other per GP. Also per Greg Panelli, this is certainly a bottom tier passing game here; even with Brock, in volume and design and priority.
https://castbox.fm/x/33gtE
Yes, Kyle would change the whole offense for Trey but clearly, he's not into that anymore. He loves his Cousins, Garoppolo and Brock-style QB's > Griffin and Lance.
And since he runs this b***h, there's no doubt this is how HE rolls after 7 years.
As to Jimmy back in a spread offense, I actually expect him to become more of a check down QB in that system. Here? We had no check downs options here for his career, nor deep threats so he and Kyle lived in the 7 to 15 yard range, live or die. That's why he's #3 all time in that stat.
What does Danny Gray prove to you? He'll be lucky to steal 100 snaps from Aiyuk at the X. Kyle likes versatility and different skill sets for scheming. Nothing more. None of the guys you listed are consistent deep threats here. Not even close.
Kyle is conservative by nature esp. as a HC where he's responsible for an entire team, not just a YOLO OC trying to get a HCing job. Here are additional examples of that:
https://castbox.fm/x/33TOq
You need to get your head out of the clouds and focus more on who Kyle is here after 7 years. This is his team. His system. His philosophy. And his personnel. He's the one constant in a consistent theme despite the players changing.
Um excuse me for doubting your source, but how does it make sense for Jimmy to have the "3rd highest air yards ever" when he's ranked in the late 20s and 30s or worse his entire career at total completed air yards except for 2019 and 2021 (when he was 17th), and the same in completed air yards per pass attempt except for 2019 (16th) and 2021 (7th, his best year by far).
It's not my source but I expanded upon what he said on the podcast a page back.
I found this too but not sure how this stacks up with other career numbers...or if it's PFF, NextGen, etc. or the specific article.
8.28 yards per air yard attempt:
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/jimmy-garoppolo-air-yards-per-attempt-career
No short game. No deep game. But when you ride or die in that MOF 7 to 15 yards, that certainly elevates this average stat.
That's not air yards, that's yards per attempt. If Jimmy had 8.28 yards in the air per attempt he'd be about twice the all time record. 14289 career yards divided by 1726 career attempts = 8.279 yards per attempt.
His career air yards per attempt is 5385 air yards divided by
EDIT (air yards only goes back to 2018 on PFR, so instead of 1726, this should be 1454) 1454 attempts which is: 3.70 air yards per attempt. This is fairly average or lower. However in 2021 he broke his own trend and had a super high 4.2 air yards per pass attempt, which was 7th best in the NFL.
For comparison, Josh Allen's career completed air yards per attempt is 4.26.
Edited because air yards on pfr only goes back to 2018.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Jun 8, 2023 at 9:22 AM ]
