Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
lol your mischaracterizations.. Sam I've said he's a bust, but he's not our bust, we didn't whiff on him in the draft. The Sam deal is low risk, potential high reward. The TL deal was extreme high risk, high reward. Sam's deal isn't setting us back as a franchise, if he fails to produce. Notice the difference.

2 NFC title game appearances suggest the Trey move hasn't set us back at all.

You spend all day talking about how he can be an elite QB for us with nothing to back it up. But someone dare suggest Trey is a good kid who could make something for himself and it upsets you. NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
why does it bother me that we spent 3 ones on so far zero production to the team, and this is year 3? is that really a question? how could it not bother me.. as a fan of the team? I want positive additions to the club, and to see a 6th SB championship. Does the whole Buck/Kinlaw saga not bother fans as well? Ppl gonna be bothered by this TL move, until we get positive contributions on the field consistently. trumpeting that he's not a bust in year 3, that's not what we were hoping for on draft day, we were hoping for a lil more. It's past time we start getting results, production here. a good offseason would be blowing away Sam, and making KS think twice about playing Brock. you don't raise banners for welp he ain't Zach Wilson, gonna take more than that folks, to justify the investment

If Brock is an elite QB it doesn't matter all that much. We got the guy. I wish we didn't spend the picks but it is what it is.

Now if we were paying Trey Jalen Hurts money and because of that we had to let Bosa go that would make me furious. Thats why people should be upset about Buckner.

BP or no BP, we want this pick to pan out. It would mean a lot for our franchise. TL has to get his rear in gear. I think regardless of how BP is doing, TL can force a decision to KS. That's the goal here. He's got to show enough this offseason that KS can't afford to sit him on the bench.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
lol your mischaracterizations.. Sam I've said he's a bust, but he's not our bust, we didn't whiff on him in the draft. The Sam deal is low risk, potential high reward. The TL deal was extreme high risk, high reward. Sam's deal isn't setting us back as a franchise, if he fails to produce. Notice the difference.

2 NFC title game appearances suggest the Trey move hasn't set us back at all.

You spend all day talking about how he can be an elite QB for us with nothing to back it up. But someone dare suggest Trey is a good kid who could make something for himself and it upsets you. NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE

yeah i disagree, 2 NFC champ games, with TL producing next to nothing, it's not hard to imagine flexing those picks for more production, and having #6 in the bag, or #7 even. the TL pick may have already cost us a ring, depending on how else we utilized those picks. i'm not upset at all, certainly not about TL being a 'good kid' frankly who cares about a good kid, Solomon Thomas was a good kid by all measures, we are talking about production here, and realizing return on investment

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
BP or no BP, we want this pick to pan out. It would mean a lot for our franchise. TL has to get his rear in gear. I think regardless of how BP is doing, TL can force a decision to KS. That's the goal here. He's got to show enough this offseason that KS can't afford to sit him on the bench.

Picks don't pan out. We traded Ray Lewis for JJ Stokes for crying out loud. Yet we had TO to make up for it. Once TO was great I stopped lamenting about Stokes not being the guy. As long as the 9ers have an elite QB I really don't care how they get it.

What can't happen going forward is whoever the QB is can't be given 40 mil a year and then not play to an elite standard.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
2 NFC title game appearances suggest the Trey move hasn't set us back at all.

You spend all day talking about how he can be an elite QB for us with nothing to back it up. But someone dare suggest Trey is a good kid who could make something for himself and it upsets you. NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE

Lance hasn't even had a chance to bust lol. He's the complete opposite of Sam there.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
BP or no BP, we want this pick to pan out. It would mean a lot for our franchise. TL has to get his rear in gear. I think regardless of how BP is doing, TL can force a decision to KS. That's the goal here. He's got to show enough this offseason that KS can't afford to sit him on the bench.

Picks don't pan out. We traded Ray Lewis for JJ Stokes for crying out loud. Yet we had TO to make up for it. Once TO was great I stopped lamenting about Stokes not being the guy. As long as the 9ers have an elite QB I really don't care how they get it.

What can't happen going forward is whoever the QB is can't be given 40 mil a year and then not play to an elite standard.

we cross that bridge when we get there.. frankly it's probably good we do pay a QB 40 mil a year, as that means he either won the SB or is playing like a complete stud

not sure the long term gameplan ppl have in mind, with the QB on a rook deal, eventually you gotta pay said QB, right? or else the guy is a bust.. but that's hardly ideal.. can't just be on the rook QB contract forever..

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Picks don't pan out. We traded Ray Lewis for JJ Stokes for crying out loud. Yet we had TO to make up for it. Once TO was great I stopped lamenting about Stokes not being the guy. As long as the 9ers have an elite QB I really don't care how they get it.

What can't happen going forward is whoever the QB is can't be given 40 mil a year and then not play to an elite standard.

The what ifs lol. They could have taken Caleb Farley for all we know.

all I've ever said is I'd like Lance to at least have a chance to fail. Not 30 passing attempts then all of a sudden he stinks. Some posters/fans love to flip flop without much information. Very premature and instant gratification like.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
yeah i disagree, 2 NFC champ games, with TL producing next to nothing, it's not hard to imagine flexing those picks for more production, and having #6 in the bag, or #7 even. the TL pick may have already cost us a ring, depending on how else we utilized those picks. i'm not upset at all, certainly not about TL being a 'good kid' frankly who cares about a good kid, Solomon Thomas was a good kid by all measures, we are talking about production here, and realizing return on investment

So now Trey cost us a ring? Good Lord

The only way that cost us a ring is if those picks could've been moved for Stafford instead.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we cross that bridge when we get there.. frankly it's probably good we do pay a QB 40 mil a year, as that means he either won the SB or is playing like a complete stud

not sure the long term gameplan ppl have in mind, with the QB on a rook deal, eventually you gotta pay said QB, right? or else the guy is a bust.. but that's hardly ideal.. can't just be on the rook QB contract forever..

But if they dont play up to the 40 mil a year price tag then we lose players (like Buckner) and it negatively affects our ability to win. It's extremely difficult to maintain an elite roster at every position.

They need to pay the right QB the money. Can't miss again.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we cross that bridge when we get there.. frankly it's probably good we do pay a QB 40 mil a year, as that means he either won the SB or is playing like a complete stud

not sure the long term gameplan ppl have in mind, with the QB on a rook deal, eventually you gotta pay said QB, right? or else the guy is a bust.. but that's hardly ideal.. can't just be on the rook QB contract forever..

Only it's not bust or he's great. There's soooo much avg QB play that gets paid way too much. Teams get stuck overpaying for QBs all the time

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Only it's not bust or he's great. There's soooo much avg QB play that gets paid way too much. Teams get stuck overpaying for QBs all the time

Including the 9ers. Can't afford to have it happen again and maintain a competitive team.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
yeah i disagree, 2 NFC champ games, with TL producing next to nothing, it's not hard to imagine flexing those picks for more production, and having #6 in the bag, or #7 even. the TL pick may have already cost us a ring, depending on how else we utilized those picks. i'm not upset at all, certainly not about TL being a 'good kid' frankly who cares about a good kid, Solomon Thomas was a good kid by all measures, we are talking about production here, and realizing return on investment

So now Trey cost us a ring? Good Lord

The only way that cost us a ring is if those picks could've been moved for Stafford instead.

Not Trey, he's at no fault really, but the TL pick, yes I view it that way. Look how MIA flexed their draft picks, they got T Hill and you can listen to the Mike McD convo about getting Hill, it is a pretty funny story, and a good listen. That's how they chose to flex their picks, and they probably added a handful of wins, and made postseason because of it. I'm not saying add T Hill necessarily, but there were a bunch of players we could have added, via draft or trade, and any added production, may have gotten us over the line both years, we were that close. This isn't hindsight, as I had this view prior to moving up, I didn't want to move up tbh.

It's kinda all in the rear view now, but TL needs to blow away Sam like right now, force the issue, get the QB comp to vs BP, not vs Sam.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
lol your mischaracterizations.. Sam I've said he's a bust, but he's not our bust, we didn't whiff on him in the draft. The Sam deal is low risk, potential high reward. The TL deal was extreme high risk, high reward. Sam's deal isn't setting us back as a franchise, if he fails to produce. Notice the difference.

2 NFC title game appearances suggest the Trey move hasn't set us back at all.

You spend all day talking about how he can be an elite QB for us with nothing to back it up. But someone dare suggest Trey is a good kid who could make something for himself and it upsets you. NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE

Are you really comparing a $3.5M free agent acquisition to a draft pick that took three 1sts to obtain? His point is spot on, it was high risk to take Trey and give all of that up. Who knows where we'd be if we had stayed where we were at and taken BPA at each of those slots. It was a bad trade and so far a bad pick. He could still turn it around.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Not Trey, he's at no fault really, but the TL pick, yes I view it that way. Look how MIA flexed their draft picks, they got T Hill and you can listen to the Mike McD convo about getting Hill, it is a pretty funny story, and a good listen. That's how they chose to flex their picks, and they probably added a handful of wins, and made postseason because of it. I'm not saying add T Hill necessarily, but there were a bunch of players we could have added, via draft or trade, and any added production, may have gotten us over the line both years, we were that close. This isn't hindsight, as I had this view prior to moving up, I didn't want to move up tbh.

It's kinda all in the rear view now, but TL needs to blow away Sam like right now, force the issue, get the QB comp to vs BP, not vs Sam.

Only way the 9ers win a ring in 2021 with those picked flexed is if they would've gotten an elite QB somehow. Or somehow we got Brock a year early.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Are you really comparing a $3.5M free agent acquisition to a draft pick that took three 1sts to obtain? His point is spot on, it was high risk to take Trey and give all of that up. Who knows where we'd be if we had stayed where we were at and taken BPA at each of those slots. It was a bad trade and so far a bad pick. He could still turn it around.

No i'm comparing his attitudes between the two guys. Nothing wrong with the contract on Darnold. But he's sold on the guy being a legit contender to win the QB position based on no production whatsoever. I have no idea what Trey can be. Have a pretty good idea on Darnold.