Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
yeah i disagree, 2 NFC champ games, with TL producing next to nothing, it's not hard to imagine flexing those picks for more production, and having #6 in the bag, or #7 even. the TL pick may have already cost us a ring, depending on how else we utilized those picks. i'm not upset at all, certainly not about TL being a 'good kid' frankly who cares about a good kid, Solomon Thomas was a good kid by all measures, we are talking about production here, and realizing return on investment

So now Trey cost us a ring? Good Lord

The only way that cost us a ring is if those picks could've been moved for Stafford instead.

Not Trey, he's at no fault really, but the TL pick, yes I view it that way.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
trust me I'm all good, I enjoy debate, I didn't see a HOU pass D is good debate on my schedule today, but this thread lol..
did you see my post on how on a per play basis, they were next to dead last? in pass D?

Who said 14th overall pass D was "good"? Nowhere was I saying that. I gave context using a resource that most have labeled in here as reliable/fair.You know unbiased. You got your panties in a bunch because it didn't fit your narrative.

You were talking like while they are not top 10 they are way better than most fans think.. it's blowing smoke NY, that team and pass D were a clown show. They burned almost as much draft capital on DBs as we did on TL, their next draft..

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol wild that our QB2, fighting for QB2/3, is currently the fifth highest cap hit on the team.

im not saying this as a knock. I'm just reviewing the salary cap for the next couple years and noticed that. Lol I think I saw it before but I forgot.

ahhh they did the same thing last yr. Jimmy was the highest paid backup in the league.

He was the highest paid, for sure. I did think he was worth it though. I think he was hands down the highest paid backup though.

damn, I guess with Jimmie's playtime - he was our second highest paid player in the team last year because of incentives. I didn't realize that. Nearly our highest paid. Sometimes I forget he started 11 games. Lol didn't feel like it.

we just love paying our backups I guess. Hahaha

Originally posted by tankle104:
He was the highest paid, for sure. I did think he was worth it though. I think he was hands down the highest paid backup though.

damn, I guess with Jimmie's playtime - he was our second highest paid player in the team last year because of incentives. I didn't realize that. Nearly our highest paid. Sometimes I forget he started 11 games. Lol didn't feel like it.

we just love paying our backups I guess. Hahaha

This will hopefully be the last season where a high value backup, or potentially even two is needed.

Brock plays great this season and stays healthy, we have an answer at the position and go with a more traditional depth structure. Same if the light bulb goes off for Trey.

As much as it would be a luxury to devote the money we are spending on backups elsewhere, at least the total figure at the position is still on the lower end. We just need to be able to take full advantage of it for at least one season.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

It was pure crap NY, their pass D was total crap.. why do you think they burned a #1 pick and a #2 pick on pass D, immediately after that season? You know the season they were 31st in total D, and bleep canned their HC?

Sam has had a full shot or 2 to show what he's got, though.

If he suddenly turns into Aaron Rodgers out there, then great.

I guess your whole point (regarding the Texans game) is that Trey Lance isint a proven starter in this league?

I dont think many here would argue that.

Beyond this,... do you have a thesis statement hidden in there somewhere that I'm simply missing?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Lol. Isn't it nearly completely irrelevant to a discussion about play on the field?

I can't think of a QB we had on our roster under Shanahan that didn't at least outwardly appear to be a good human being. Our team is seemingly filled with them, and Trey is no exception.

It's much better to make lame jokes about him being no different than a tight end.

For the rest of us innocuous comments aren't much of a bother.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
It's much better to make lame jokes about him being no different than a tight end.

For the rest of us innocuous comments aren't much of a bother.

They seem to bother you, unless you think a lame joke (which Hoov didn't make IIRC) is something beyond innocuous.

I'm going to step out of the arguing about posters conversation now. Think it'd be awesome if you did the same.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
This will hopefully be the last season where a high value backup, or potentially even two is needed.

Brock plays great this season and stays healthy, we have an answer at the position and go with a more traditional depth structure. Same if the light bulb goes off for Trey.

As much as it would be a luxury to devote the money we are spending on backups elsewhere, at least the total figure at the position is still on the lower end. We just need to be able to take full advantage of it for at least one season.

Do you have a magic crystal ball or something? I mean everyone hopes for good health for everyone.

But beyond that, unless we go from tackle to 2-hand touch, i dont get why ur discussing this as if we can really "plan" to only need one or even 2 QBs.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
They seem to bother you, unless you think a lame joke (which Hoov didn't make IIRC) is something beyond innocuous.

I'm going to step out of the arguing about posters conversation now. Think it'd be awesome if you did the same.

Think it'd be awesome if you don't try to tell posters what to post.

Originally posted by random49er:
Do you have a magic crystal ball or something? I mean everyone hopes for good health for everyone.

But beyond that, unless we go from tackle to 2-hand touch, i dont get why ur discussing this as if we can really "plan" to only need one or even 2 QBs.

Take a look around the league. Most teams with established QB1s arent paying a lot of money for backups. The guiding factor isn't injury, it's ability. We have two more seasons at most where our presumed starter isn't going to be paid a fortune. Hopefully we can take advantage.

Your crystal ball reference is clearly misplaced as I'm not sure what is going to happen and my post doesn't remotely imply that I am.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Think it'd be awesome if you don't try to tell posters what to post.

I suggested it. Not a big fan of your schtick, but do you. Sheesh, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I suggested it. Not a big fan of your schtick, but do you. Sheesh, lol.

Block feature is readily available.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
He was the highest paid, for sure. I did think he was worth it though. I think he was hands down the highest paid backup though.

damn, I guess with Jimmie's playtime - he was our second highest paid player in the team last year because of incentives. I didn't realize that. Nearly our highest paid. Sometimes I forget he started 11 games. Lol didn't feel like it.

we just love paying our backups I guess. Hahaha

This will hopefully be the last season where a high value backup, or potentially even two is needed.

Brock plays great this season and stays healthy, we have an answer at the position and go with a more traditional depth structure. Same if the light bulb goes off for Trey.

As much as it would be a luxury to devote the money we are spending on backups elsewhere, at least the total figure at the position is still on the lower end. We just need to be able to take full advantage of it for at least one season.

Let's hope!

yeah, ultimately jimmy last season and Trey/Darnold this year is still relatively cheap. $12M for jimmy last year? Steal. If Trey/darnold has to play this year, and they play well, that's a steal. So I have no issue with it. It just surprised me (I didn't realize Jimmy was #2
last year until a few minutes ago).

at the end of the day, it's all still a bargain. Like you said, hopefully this is the last year we take this kind approach and go more traditional. If Trey is moved this year, we will be going into next season with only Purdy under contract.. which isn't a great situation.

like I said, it doesn't bother me, I just didn't realize that.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Let's hope!

yeah, ultimately jimmy last season and Trey/Darnold this year is still relatively cheap. $12M for jimmy last year? Steal. If Trey/darnold has to play this year, and they play well, that's a steal. So I have no issue with it. It just surprised me (I didn't realize Jimmy was #2
last year until a few minutes ago).

at the end of the day, it's all still a bargain. Like you said, hopefully this is the last year we take this kind approach and go more traditional. If Trey is moved this year, we will be going into next season with only Purdy under contract.. which isn't a great situation.

like I said, it doesn't bother me, I just didn't realize that.

If Trey improves we at least have a starter and backup for 11 million next season, and no reason to spend any kind of real money on a 3rd option like we're doing now. 5 ish million isn't a ton of savings, but it's a quality player elsewhere.

It's contingent on Brock or Trey being successful though. If they aren't, we could be spending big money next year. Even in the unlikely event Sam becomes the starter and we want to keep him, he'll be getting a significant contract.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Let's hope!

yeah, ultimately jimmy last season and Trey/Darnold this year is still relatively cheap. $12M for jimmy last year? Steal. If Trey/darnold has to play this year, and they play well, that's a steal. So I have no issue with it. It just surprised me (I didn't realize Jimmy was #2
last year until a few minutes ago).

at the end of the day, it's all still a bargain. Like you said, hopefully this is the last year we take this kind approach and go more traditional. If Trey is moved this year, we will be going into next season with only Purdy under contract.. which isn't a great situation.

like I said, it doesn't bother me, I just didn't realize that.

If Trey improves we at least have a starter and backup for 11 million next season, and no reason to spend any kind of real money on a 3rd option like we're doing now. 5 ish million isn't a ton of savings, but it's a quality player elsewhere.

It's contingent on Brock or Trey being successful though. If they aren't, we could be spending big money next year. Even in the unlikely event Sam becomes the starter and we want to keep him, he'll be getting a significant contract.

$5M is important to us right now because all of our contracts are bloating. A lot of guys are getting paid so that $5M could be 2-3 vets to bolster depth.

yeah, ideally Brock crushes it and solves this whole issue. I'm not too concerned because whatever option we go with won't be cap crushing. We are in good shape when it comes to QB salaries, an enviable spot for most teams.