Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:
Is that a fact?

The team says one thing but we don't know what they actually think inside the building. Them saying it's an open competition but Brock is the leader doesn't mean Brock is QB1 no matter what happens and Darnold and Lance battle it out for the other two spots.

And even if that was true, I guarantee you they're aching to give Trey the job because it means he's shown major improvement and gives them a chance to have that pick/trade work out for them which would be huge for their careers and the team.

Competition is a good thing. Let Trey bring his best stuff, hopefully Brock is healthy enough where they can get a look at both guys side by side on the same field, with the same players. That even goes for Darnold(although I worry about Sam less in practice as I do in games where the other team can hit him and wants to)

Get the best to play and we're hopefully in good shape.

It's definitely a fact. The team has stated as much, reports from practice are in line with their statements, and it was clearly going to be the case just reading into Darnold's contract. The two guys splitting reps is just about the most definitive answer you can have if you're questioning whether there is a competition or not.

I agree with you it's a good thing. I also never stated Brock was QB1 no matter what, and that should be clear when I say I agree Trey can play his way into the job. I just understand they aren't catering to that opportunity for him like they did last season. And I also think the reality is that it is highly unlikely he will play well enough in camp/preseason to do it as he still lacks experience and polish. He has a high bar to clear, and expecting him to clear it is unrealistic.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Yes he's splitting reps with Darnold, but mini-camp clips reveal that Trey was always #1 in the QB drills pecking order, and he certainly carried himself like it was his team.

Moreover, for all the hype about Darnold's abilities, Lance throws appeared better as they had to more velocity on the intermediate and deep passes, as well as quicker delivery on short passes as a result of his improved mechanics.

I strongly doubt Darnold is going to beat him out. He was brought here because the team needs depth.

Purdy had an amazing run last year, but Shanahan said that he believed that Trey would have been successful as well if he remained healthy.

Trey getting a shot to start is the most likely scenario. The team never said or acted as if they are all in on Purdy. He's "the leader in the clubhouse," but that's subject to change as conditions of his health and Lance's offseason development applies.

I'm not going to comment on or put stock in how these guys are performing in camp, because I can't see it. Certainly not going to draw conclusions off of clips from minicamp, lol.

I can see now though that you definitely don't have a good read on this situation, especially given that you think Trey getting a shot to start is the most likely scenario. That is near baseless at this point. Time will tell.

No, I just have a different and better supported opinion that you don't like. The team hasn't committed to Purdy as the guaranteed starter.

Shanahan hasn't watched his throwing sessions which indicates that he's not hanging his entire season on his UCL recovered arm.

Lance is still in play to be the starter.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
No, I just have a different and better supported opinion that you don't like. The team hasn't committed to Purdy as the guaranteed starter.

Shanahan hasn't watched his throwing sessions which indicates that he's not hanging his entire season on his UCL recovered arm.

Lance is still in play to be the starter.

Two things:

- I'm completely indifferent to your opinion emotionally.

- I don't think a guy who draws conclusions from minicamp clips should be talking about well supported opinions.

Cool beans. Looking forward to some Lance developments now.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
No, I just have a different and better supported opinion that you don't like. The team hasn't committed to Purdy as the guaranteed starter.

Shanahan hasn't watched his throwing sessions which indicates that he's not hanging his entire season on his UCL recovered arm.

Lance is still in play to be the starter.

Two things:

- I'm completely indifferent to your opinion emotionally.

- I don't think a guy who draws conclusions from minicamp clips should be talking about well supported opinions.

You don't have a well supported opinion against Lance not starting, you just have motivated reasoning to support your bias.

Injuries give and take away opportunities, Purdy is capable of winning an SB with this team, but he got injured and it opened the door for the more physically talented but less experienced prospect, whom the team invested heavily in terms of draft picks and salary and got injured, to get a shot to regain the starting role.

People don't like it, I get it, but life isn't fair. The media piling on of Lance and the gaslighting of his performances and abilities aren't grounded in objective reality.

It was a great run last year for Purdy, but the NFL is jokingly called Not For Long for a reason.

QB1 will be determined by Lance's offseason performance and Purdy's health.

And finally, as we've seen, whoever becomes the starter week 1 won't necessarily finish the season.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

No, I just have a different and better supported opinion that you don't like. The team hasn't committed to Purdy as the guaranteed starter.

Shanahan hasn't watched his throwing sessions which indicates that he's not hanging his entire season on his UCL recovered arm.

Lance is still in play to be the starter.

Two things:

- I'm completely indifferent to your opinion emotionally.

- I don't think a guy who draws conclusions from minicamp clips should be talking about well supported opinions.

You don't have a well supported opinion against Lance not starting, you just have motivated reasoning to support your bias.

Injuries give and take away opportunities, Purdy is capable of winning an SB with this team, but he got injured and it opened the door for the more physically talented but less experienced prospect, whom the team invested heavily in terms of draft picks and salary and got injured, to get a shot to regain the starting role.

People don't like it, I get it, but life isn't fair. The media piling on of Lance and the gaslighting of his performances and abilities aren't grounded in objective reality.

It was a great run last year for Purdy, but the NFL is jokingly called Not For Long for a reason.

QB1 will be determined by Lance's offseason performance and Purdy's health.

And finally, as we've seen, whoever becomes the starter week 1 won't necessarily finish the season.

Have to break it to you, but Not For Long applies to Trey also. The guy isn't any good at this point (it's not hus fault he's never played). Odds are he never sticks as a starter anywhere. You don't go from never playing the position to superstar unless it just comes naturally, and it didn't for Trey

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
You don't have a well supported opinion against Lance not starting, you just have motivated reasoning to support your bias.

Injuries give and take away opportunities, Purdy is capable of winning an SB with this team, but he got injured and it opened the door for the more physically talented but less experienced prospect, whom the team invested heavily in terms of draft picks and salary and got injured, to get a shot to regain the starting role.

People don't like it, I get it, but life isn't fair. The media piling on of Lance and the gaslighting of his performances and abilities aren't grounded in objective reality.

It was a great run last year for Purdy, but the NFL is jokingly called Not For Long for a reason.

QB1 will be determined by Lance's offseason performance and Purdy's health.

And finally, as we've seen, whoever becomes the starter week 1 won't necessarily finish the season.

Read my posts. I acknowledge that Trey has an opportunity to play himself into the position. It's everything else you're saying that I take issue with. None of it is supported in evidence.

You make this entire post, and had another which was essentially the exact same, without mentioning Sam Darnold. That's Lance's primary competitor for his role on the team. Before Lance can earn QB1, he's going to have to earn QB2, which is in stark contrast from his position his first two seasons with the team. You dismiss Sam's signing as being purely for depth, which is not only not supported in evidence, but in direct contradiction with the available evidence.

The position that Purdy is going to be the starter of this team beyond Lance or Darnold making gigantic steps this offseason is well supported. Sam isn't just here for depth. They aren't going to delay Purdy's return to see what they have in Trey. They aren't going to play Trey based on the investment they made two years ago in the 2021 draft. You haven't supported any of these ideas, and they aren't supportable. Again, we'll see what happens!

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
You don't have a well supported opinion against Lance not starting, you just have motivated reasoning to support your bias.

Injuries give and take away opportunities, Purdy is capable of winning an SB with this team, but he got injured and it opened the door for the more physically talented but less experienced prospect, whom the team invested heavily in terms of draft picks and salary and got injured, to get a shot to regain the starting role.

People don't like it, I get it, but life isn't fair. The media piling on of Lance and the gaslighting of his performances and abilities aren't grounded in objective reality.

It was a great run last year for Purdy, but the NFL is jokingly called Not For Long for a reason.

QB1 will be determined by Lance's offseason performance and Purdy's health.

And finally, as we've seen, whoever becomes the starter week 1 won't necessarily finish the season.

Read my posts. I acknowledge that Trey has an opportunity to play himself into the position. It's everything else you're saying that I take issue with. None of it is supported in evidence.

You make this entire post, and had another which was essentially the exact same, without mentioning Sam Darnold. That's Lance's primary competitor for his role on the team. Before Lance can earn QB1, he's going to have to earn QB2, which is in stark contrast from his position his first two seasons with the team. You dismiss Sam's signing as being purely for depth, which is not only not supported in evidence, but in direct contradiction with the available evidence.

The position that Purdy is going to be the starter of this team beyond Lance or Darnold making gigantic steps this offseason is well supported. Sam isn't just here for depth. They aren't going to delay Purdy's return to see what they have in Trey. They aren't going to play Trey based on the investment they made two years ago in the 2021 draft. You haven't supported any of these ideas, and they aren't supportable. Again, we'll see what happens!

Sam Darnold is new to this offense and will have to outperform Trey by going against the #1 defense.

The guy sees ghosts as is, he's at a disadvantage.

Interpret the QB1 situation how ever you like, nothing is set in stone which was my point; Lance's play and Purdy's health will determine the outcome.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
No, I just have a different and better supported opinion that you don't like. The team hasn't committed to Purdy as the guaranteed starter.

Shanahan hasn't watched his throwing sessions which indicates that he's not hanging his entire season on his UCL recovered arm.

Lance is still in play to be the starter.

Two things:

- I'm completely indifferent to your opinion emotionally.

- I don't think a guy who draws conclusions from minicamp clips should be talking about well supported opinions.

You don't have a well supported opinion against Lance not starting, you just have motivated reasoning to support your bias.

Injuries give and take away opportunities, Purdy is capable of winning an SB with this team, but he got injured and it opened the door for the more physically talented but less experienced prospect, whom the team invested heavily in terms of draft picks and salary and got injured, to get a shot to regain the starting role.

People don't like it, I get it, but life isn't fair. The media piling on of Lance and the gaslighting of his performances and abilities aren't grounded in objective reality.

It was a great run last year for Purdy, but the NFL is jokingly called Not For Long for a reason.

QB1 will be determined by Lance's offseason performance and Purdy's health.

And finally, as we've seen, whoever becomes the starter week 1 won't necessarily finish the season.

Have to break it to you, but Not For Long applies to Trey also. The guy isn't any good at this point (it's not hus fault he's never played). Odds are he never sticks as a starter anywhere. You don't go from never playing the position to superstar unless it just comes naturally, and it didn't for Trey

Thing is while Trey hasn't played enough to say he's going to be good or he's going to be a bust but it's still been enough to get at least a glimpse of whether this game is going to be too big for him.

It's not. It remains to be seen if his improved mechanics lead to more consistent accuracy and whether he can stay healthy and develop but I think the fact that he wasn't out there straight up pissing himself is definitely an indicator of better than not things to come for the kid if he gets the opportunity.

Of course once again the opportunity may not come here and it may not be because Trey sucks, it's because Brock is healthy and playing at a high level and at some point we'll see Trey likely go to another team where his opportunity may not be guaranteed either.

But if I'm betting on the kid and I'm told whether here or on another team that he gets an opportunity to play and grow that he winds up being a quality starter in the NFL because to me his negatives are fixable and the good things he's shown tend to make good QBs.

We'll see what Trey comes into this camp with. Hopefully he's ready to show the team he was worth that draft move. And hopefully Brock is healthy and ready to show last year wasnt a fluke because if both of those things happen it will be amazing for the team.

He's a hell of a lot closer to biggest bust of all time than he is to future hofer.

Would be foolish to think anything else at this point.

Coaches have seen two years of practices with him and he only had to beat out average garapollo and 7th round rookie Brock. Plus he's gifted the leeway of huge draft capital spent on him and the sunk cost fallacy.

Sucks for him but Brock playing so good and him sitting so long he's probably done at this point. Look at what a year off lead to with Antonio brown and leveon bell. That's a hell of a lot more likely scenario that the Adrian Peterson one.

I wouldn't expect him to be markedly better or worse than darnold has been the last few years given they have performed similar in camp.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
He's a hell of a lot closer to biggest bust of all time than he is to future hofer.

Would be foolish to think anything else at this point.

Coaches have seen two years of practices with him and he only had to beat out average garapollo and 7th round rookie Brock. Plus he's gifted the leeway of huge draft capital spent on him and the sunk cost fallacy.

Sucks for him but Brock playing so good and him sitting so long he's probably done at this point. Look at what a year off lead to with Antonio brown and leveon bell. That's a hell of a lot more likely scenario that the Adrian Peterson one.

I wouldn't expect him to be markedly better or worse than darnold has been the last few years given they have performed similar in camp.

Im not a trey believer, but this is harsh. Trey has this season to prove himself before he's labeled anything. If he gets beat out or gets injured? Oof.

One thing I will.say about watching trey play qb so far. It feels.like the entire offense is run in slow motion. From his labored running plays, to his throwing motion, to the entire offense. I don't know why, but it just looks that way.

I think I read this somewhere but can't quite remember, Trey is with his private QB coach Right now? Like after mini camp and before training camp?

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
You don't have a well supported opinion against Lance not starting, you just have motivated reasoning to support your bias.

Injuries give and take away opportunities, Purdy is capable of winning an SB with this team, but he got injured and it opened the door for the more physically talented but less experienced prospect, whom the team invested heavily in terms of draft picks and salary and got injured, to get a shot to regain the starting role.

People don't like it, I get it, but life isn't fair. The media piling on of Lance and the gaslighting of his performances and abilities aren't grounded in objective reality.

It was a great run last year for Purdy, but the NFL is jokingly called Not For Long for a reason.

QB1 will be determined by Lance's offseason performance and Purdy's health.

And finally, as we've seen, whoever becomes the starter week 1 won't necessarily finish the season.

Who are you kidding EVERYTHING about Lance is almost completely subjective at this point, whatever position you choose to view it from. The "objective reality" is that he is 2-2 as a starter, has averaged a completion rate of less than 55% and has a 5-3 TD/INT ratio. His rushing numbers aren't terrible but for every highlight clip of him making a good run there is another one of him getting completely stoned short of the line of scrimmage. Lance's performance as a starter for the team lies mostly in the eye of the beholder. People will see what they want to see. One camp has had stars in their eyes ever since he got drafted, "Oh, he's going to be the best at this or the best at that", before they even had a single bit of tangible evidence as to how he might actually perform at the NFL level, and they have been trying to twist and turn their arguments ever since in order to justify their original position.

Another camp seems to have already decided that there is nothing he can do to live up to the three one's they used to get him. Which is also misguided. The third camp is somewhere in the middle, saying that while he certainly hasn't consistently displayed the qualities that might have justified taking him at number 3, he does have some potential whose development has been sidelined by the peculiar circumstances of the team's QB position the last three years and some unfortunate injuries. He still has a chance to rewrite his story. Some of it is in his control and some of it isn't. I think as fans of the team we would all like to see him reach whatever potential he may ACTUALLY possess, not what has been magically attributed to him by some people in here, which is where most of the disagreement seems to come from.

The only rewrites of stories happen in places like here... on messageboards.

As of now Lance is still on the team. Everything is fine thus far.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
The fact that Trey is competing with Sam Darnold for the backup position should be a clear indicator to you that the 49ers aren't aching to give Trey another shot because of their investment. I agree he can play his way into the job, but he's not just looking at Purdy's performance as an obstacle, and the team isn't tailoring to his opportunity.

Of course people who want Purdy to start are thinking rationally. It's an easy call given what we have in front of us at this point, and to think the team hasn't effectively broadcasted this is a bad read of the situation.

You are making valid points, all of this is crystal clear for those that want to be objective and rational about what is happening, instead of vaping TL hopeium...

Sammy was brought in to purge the dross out of TL and see what is really there, can he rise to the challenge and beat him out for QB2? so far from OTAs TL he has not distinguished himself as the clear cut winner here...

Brandon Allen was not brought in to be a camp arm, he is a put hedge in the case TL crashes and fails to beat out Sammy.... it would have been a simple matter to bring in a rookie FA QB to share the load during camp and OTAs if Shanny just wanted a 4th QB as a camp arm... instead they invest money in a competent veteran backup like Allen... so far Allen has made a solid claim for QB3 and pushing for QB2 if you believe what is reported from practices thus far... and when Sammy beats out TL it won't make any sense to keep him on the roster and that is when they fire sale him for any salvageable trade value that still remains, Danielle Hunter come on down... longer they wait for a trade at this point less they will get for TL