Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Eagles were not as invested in Hurts as we are in Trey. That story still isn't written yet either. They might've known what they had and Hurts screwed them with a fluke season. He won't always have the best Oline and all those weapons, so we'll see how it goes for them

Going into year 3, anything less than "Trey is the starter" means he has not lived up to expectations. The last pick in the draft (with a f**ked up elbow) should not take his place if he's meeting expectations behind the scenes (we know he's not on the field). I'd have more hope if they didn't bring Darnold in, but that gives you an idea of where Trey is at. They did not load up with a bust because they might need him for a SB run lol. The plan is to trade Trey and have Sam as the backup

If I read you correct your post implies, Eagles 'knew what they had' in Hurts, and it wasn't good. They put him out there as QB1 anyway. He has a 'fluke' season screwing Philly all the way to the SB. Eagles, who again don't really believe him, pay him record money.

something about the above feels off, maybe all of it

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They have no choice now. They have a loaded roster, they can't just let him go and say "sorry guys" to the rest of their players.

Last year was a fluke year in my mind and I think he screwed them long term. Easy schedule and even easier playoffs for them. They'll be contenders as long as they are loaded, but Hurts isn't all that and you could tell the Eagles know this. They got screwed though

He was an MVP candidate……

Wonder if TL will screw us next by setting NFL records and a trip to the SB

I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Eagles were not as invested in Hurts as we are in Trey. That story still isn't written yet either. They might've known what they had and Hurts screwed them with a fluke season. He won't always have the best Oline and all those weapons, so we'll see how it goes for them

Going into year 3, anything less than "Trey is the starter" means he has not lived up to expectations. The last pick in the draft (with a f**ked up elbow) should not take his place if he's meeting expectations behind the scenes (we know he's not on the field). I'd have more hope if they didn't bring Darnold in, but that gives you an idea of where Trey is at. They did not load up with a bust because they might need him for a SB run lol. The plan is to trade Trey and have Sam as the backup

If I read you correct your post implies, Eagles 'knew what they had' in Hurts, and it wasn't good. They put him out there as QB1 anyway. He has a 'fluke' season screwing Philly all the way to the SB. Eagles, who again don't really believe him, pay him record money.

something about the above feels off, maybe all of it

They have no choice now. They have a loaded roster, they can't just let him go and say "sorry guys" to the rest of their players.

Last year was a fluke year in my mind and I think he screwed them long term. Easy schedule and even easier playoffs for them. They'll be contenders as long as they are loaded, but Hurts isn't all that and you could tell the Eagles know this. They got screwed though

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He was an MVP candidate……

Wonder if TL will screw us next by setting NFL records and a trip to the SB

I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.

Cam Newton went to a SB and won an MVP. Would you tie your franchise to him? I wouldn't

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Eagles were not as invested in Hurts as we are in Trey. That story still isn't written yet either. They might've known what they had and Hurts screwed them with a fluke season. He won't always have the best Oline and all those weapons, so we'll see how it goes for them

Going into year 3, anything less than "Trey is the starter" means he has not lived up to expectations. The last pick in the draft (with a f**ked up elbow) should not take his place if he's meeting expectations behind the scenes (we know he's not on the field). I'd have more hope if they didn't bring Darnold in, but that gives you an idea of where Trey is at. They did not load up with a bust because they might need him for a SB run lol. The plan is to trade Trey and have Sam as the backup

If I read you correct your post implies, Eagles 'knew what they had' in Hurts, and it wasn't good. They put him out there as QB1 anyway. He has a 'fluke' season screwing Philly all the way to the SB. Eagles, who again don't really believe him, pay him record money.

something about the above feels off, maybe all of it

They have no choice now. They have a loaded roster, they can't just let him go and say "sorry guys" to the rest of their players.

Last year was a fluke year in my mind and I think he screwed them long term. Easy schedule and even easier playoffs for them. They'll be contenders as long as they are loaded, but Hurts isn't all that and you could tell the Eagles know this. They got screwed though

He was an MVP candidate……

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Wonder if TL will screw us next by setting NFL records and a trip to the SB

I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.

Cam Newton went to a SB and won an MVP. Would you tie your franchise to him? I wouldn't

During the first 7 years of his career? I absolutely would have.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Eagles were not as invested in Hurts as we are in Trey. That story still isn't written yet either. They might've known what they had and Hurts screwed them with a fluke season. He won't always have the best Oline and all those weapons, so we'll see how it goes for them

Going into year 3, anything less than "Trey is the starter" means he has not lived up to expectations. The last pick in the draft (with a f**ked up elbow) should not take his place if he's meeting expectations behind the scenes (we know he's not on the field). I'd have more hope if they didn't bring Darnold in, but that gives you an idea of where Trey is at. They did not load up with a bust because they might need him for a SB run lol. The plan is to trade Trey and have Sam as the backup

If I read you correct your post implies, Eagles 'knew what they had' in Hurts, and it wasn't good. They put him out there as QB1 anyway. He has a 'fluke' season screwing Philly all the way to the SB. Eagles, who again don't really believe him, pay him record money.

something about the above feels off, maybe all of it

They have no choice now. They have a loaded roster, they can't just let him go and say "sorry guys" to the rest of their players.

Last year was a fluke year in my mind and I think he screwed them long term. Easy schedule and even easier playoffs for them. They'll be contenders as long as they are loaded, but Hurts isn't all that and you could tell the Eagles know this. They got screwed though

He was an MVP candidate……

Wonder if TL will screw us next by setting NFL records and a trip to the SB

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I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.

Cam Newton went to a SB and won an MVP. Would you tie your franchise to him? I wouldn't

During the first 7 years of his career? I absolutely would have.

He was more intriguing than Hurts but with the hindsight of knowing he never developed into a passer he's an easy pass for me

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Eagles were not as invested in Hurts as we are in Trey. That story still isn't written yet either. They might've known what they had and Hurts screwed them with a fluke season. He won't always have the best Oline and all those weapons, so we'll see how it goes for them

Going into year 3, anything less than "Trey is the starter" means he has not lived up to expectations. The last pick in the draft (with a f**ked up elbow) should not take his place if he's meeting expectations behind the scenes (we know he's not on the field). I'd have more hope if they didn't bring Darnold in, but that gives you an idea of where Trey is at. They did not load up with a bust because they might need him for a SB run lol. The plan is to trade Trey and have Sam as the backup

If I read you correct your post implies, Eagles 'knew what they had' in Hurts, and it wasn't good. They put him out there as QB1 anyway. He has a 'fluke' season screwing Philly all the way to the SB. Eagles, who again don't really believe him, pay him record money.

something about the above feels off, maybe all of it

They have no choice now. They have a loaded roster, they can't just let him go and say "sorry guys" to the rest of their players.

Last year was a fluke year in my mind and I think he screwed them long term. Easy schedule and even easier playoffs for them. They'll be contenders as long as they are loaded, but Hurts isn't all that and you could tell the Eagles know this. They got screwed though

He was an MVP candidate……

Wonder if TL will screw us next by setting NFL records and a trip to the SB

I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.

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Cam Newton went to a SB and won an MVP. Would you tie your franchise to him? I wouldn't

During the first 7 years of his career? I absolutely would have.

He was more intriguing than Hurts but with the hindsight of knowing he never developed into a passer he's an easy pass for me

We have 1 4k passing season as a franchise in like 80 years. Newton checked that off the list, year 1. He had 35 TD passes his MVP season. Imagine TL throwing for 4k, and 35 pass TDs, and how thrilled we would be.. you may be underselling Newton here.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
He's a hell of a lot closer to biggest bust of all time than he is to future hofer.

Would be foolish to think anything else at this point.

Coaches have seen two years of practices with him and he only had to beat out average garapollo and 7th round rookie Brock. Plus he's gifted the leeway of huge draft capital spent on him and the sunk cost fallacy.

Sucks for him but Brock playing so good and him sitting so long he's probably done at this point. Look at what a year off lead to with Antonio brown and leveon bell. That's a hell of a lot more likely scenario that the Adrian Peterson one.

I wouldn't expect him to be markedly better or worse than darnold has been the last few years given they have performed similar in camp.

What's foolish is thinking there isn't a huge gap between biggest bust of all time and future HOFer or putting Trey into either extreme after 4 starts and before he turns 23 years old.

Eagles coaches saw 2 years worth of Jalen Hurts and a lot more attempts both in college and NFL and wanted to move on from him before this last season…almost like teams don't always know what they have? Nah couldn't be…

And the ridiculous year off comparison for Brown and Bell is way out there. Both guys switched teams they were on. One guy plays a position which sees players hit the wall suddenly all the time and the other was a headcase who kept getting suspended.

There is simply not enough information on Trey right now to make a judgment on him now. Simple as that. Anyone making statements about the kid like he's a proven bust or proven stud is just talking out their ass.

If you had to put your house on it right now, which way would you lean? That he's going to be a hall of fame QB or he's going to flame out?

Having to pick I'm definitely leaning towards the latter.

Reading between the starts and the lines if he was a superstar they would not have brought darnold in. He would have beat out Jimmy year one. He would be destroying darnold in camp right now.

It's a lot more uphill for him than downhill

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
He's a hell of a lot closer to biggest bust of all time than he is to future hofer.

Would be foolish to think anything else at this point.

Coaches have seen two years of practices with him and he only had to beat out average garapollo and 7th round rookie Brock. Plus he's gifted the leeway of huge draft capital spent on him and the sunk cost fallacy.

Sucks for him but Brock playing so good and him sitting so long he's probably done at this point. Look at what a year off lead to with Antonio brown and leveon bell. That's a hell of a lot more likely scenario that the Adrian Peterson one.

I wouldn't expect him to be markedly better or worse than darnold has been the last few years given they have performed similar in camp.

What's foolish is thinking there isn't a huge gap between biggest bust of all time and future HOFer or putting Trey into either extreme after 4 starts and before he turns 23 years old.

Eagles coaches saw 2 years worth of Jalen Hurts and a lot more attempts both in college and NFL and wanted to move on from him before this last season…almost like teams don't always know what they have? Nah couldn't be…

And the ridiculous year off comparison for Brown and Bell is way out there. Both guys switched teams they were on. One guy plays a position which sees players hit the wall suddenly all the time and the other was a headcase who kept getting suspended.

There is simply not enough information on Trey right now to make a judgment on him now. Simple as that. Anyone making statements about the kid like he's a proven bust or proven stud is just talking out their ass.

If you had to put your house on it right now, which way would you lean? That he's going to be a hall of fame QB or he's going to flame out?

Having to pick I'm definitely leaning towards the latter.

Reading between the starts and the lines if he was a superstar they would not have brought darnold in. He would have beat out Jimmy year one. He would be destroying darnold in camp right now.

It's a lot more uphill for him than downhill

I wouldn't lean towards any prospect becoming a future hall of famer. It is significantly more likely than not that there are no hall of fame QBs currently on this roster. The rest of your post could apply to a lot of different QBs that ultimately did go on to become superstars and/or Hall of Famers.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I wouldn't lean towards any prospect becoming a future hall of famer. It is significantly more likely than not that there are no hall of fame QBs currently on this roster. The rest of your post could apply to a lot of different QBs that ultimately did go on to become superstars and/or Hall of Famers.

There are quite a bit of draft picks that are closer to sure things even before the draft or flashing shortly after being drafted. Manning, luck, elway, bosa, mahomes.

Most of the time when you spend 3 first round picks you have huge expectations.

It's year 3 and he's fighting darnold to not get traded. Obviously none of that is a positive given what was given up for him.

Without purdy we would literally be debating if shanahan or lynch should be fired right now( and rightfully so). Given what was given up and product produced.

Contrary to belief lance if not that cheap. He was drafted so high he actually makes decent money. Now it's not 50 mill a year but it's still a chunk of change.

He should be crushing darnold in camp with a drastically different throwing motion and basically getting rave reviews at this point.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.

You'd be wrong, of course. The reason Lance is doubted, or questioned, is because there hasn't been a return on the investment to this point (for a multitude of reasons). If he had played well, or showed real promise to the people you're talking about, they'd be excited. There isn't a resume, even a small one, of success people are rejecting here at this point.

On the other hand there are a small minority of fans who are willing to reject or doubt the success Purdy has had, and are willing to turn away from it because of their preconceived ideas about Lance. You see it here. You see it on twitter and other social media venues.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Eagles were not as invested in Hurts as we are in Trey. That story still isn't written yet either. They might've known what they had and Hurts screwed them with a fluke season. He won't always have the best Oline and all those weapons, so we'll see how it goes for them

Going into year 3, anything less than "Trey is the starter" means he has not lived up to expectations. The last pick in the draft (with a f**ked up elbow) should not take his place if he's meeting expectations behind the scenes (we know he's not on the field). I'd have more hope if they didn't bring Darnold in, but that gives you an idea of where Trey is at. They did not load up with a bust because they might need him for a SB run lol. The plan is to trade Trey and have Sam as the backup

If I read you correct your post implies, Eagles 'knew what they had' in Hurts, and it wasn't good. They put him out there as QB1 anyway. He has a 'fluke' season screwing Philly all the way to the SB. Eagles, who again don't really believe him, pay him record money.

something about the above feels off, maybe all of it

They have no choice now. They have a loaded roster, they can't just let him go and say "sorry guys" to the rest of their players.

Last year was a fluke year in my mind and I think he screwed them long term. Easy schedule and even easier playoffs for them. They'll be contenders as long as they are loaded, but Hurts isn't all that and you could tell the Eagles know this. They got screwed though

He was an MVP candidate……

Wonder if TL will screw us next by setting NFL records and a trip to the SB

I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.

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Cam Newton went to a SB and won an MVP. Would you tie your franchise to him? I wouldn't

During the first 7 years of his career? I absolutely would have.

He was more intriguing than Hurts but with the hindsight of knowing he never developed into a passer he's an easy pass for me

So you think it's best to have the largest sample size possible before reaching any conclusions on how well or bad a player might be? I share that feeling.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
So you think it's best to have the largest sample size possible before reaching any conclusions on how well or bad a player might be? I share that feeling.

Well that's not reality. Players don't generally get a half career's worth of playing time before teams make a decision to commit to them or move on.

Obviously, a team's situation is going to be a major factor in what kind of opportunity a young QB will/can get. Cam Newton was drafted to one of the worst teams in football, and produced well right off the bat. The Eagles began playing Hurts when they were in a transition period. He may have never got his opportunity if Wentz hadn't bombed out. Hurts struggled in the pass game, but was a dynamic running threat right from the start.

The 49ers aren't in a comparable position to these teams, and Lance's situation is very different. Not only has he not shown well in his limited time, but there's another young guy who did, and the team was wildly successful with him.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Eagles were not as invested in Hurts as we are in Trey. That story still isn't written yet either. They might've known what they had and Hurts screwed them with a fluke season. He won't always have the best Oline and all those weapons, so we'll see how it goes for them

Going into year 3, anything less than "Trey is the starter" means he has not lived up to expectations. The last pick in the draft (with a f**ked up elbow) should not take his place if he's meeting expectations behind the scenes (we know he's not on the field). I'd have more hope if they didn't bring Darnold in, but that gives you an idea of where Trey is at. They did not load up with a bust because they might need him for a SB run lol. The plan is to trade Trey and have Sam as the backup

If I read you correct your post implies, Eagles 'knew what they had' in Hurts, and it wasn't good. They put him out there as QB1 anyway. He has a 'fluke' season screwing Philly all the way to the SB. Eagles, who again don't really believe him, pay him record money.

something about the above feels off, maybe all of it

They have no choice now. They have a loaded roster, they can't just let him go and say "sorry guys" to the rest of their players.

Last year was a fluke year in my mind and I think he screwed them long term. Easy schedule and even easier playoffs for them. They'll be contenders as long as they are loaded, but Hurts isn't all that and you could tell the Eagles know this. They got screwed though

He was an MVP candidate……

Wonder if TL will screw us next by setting NFL records and a trip to the SB

I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.

Cam Newton went to a SB and won an MVP. Would you tie your franchise to him? I wouldn't

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During the first 7 years of his career? I absolutely would have.

He was more intriguing than Hurts but with the hindsight of knowing he never developed into a passer he's an easy pass for me

We have 1 4k passing season as a franchise in like 80 years. Newton checked that off the list, year 1. He had 35 TD passes his MVP season. Imagine TL throwing for 4k, and 35 pass TDs, and how thrilled we would be.. you may be underselling Newton here.

He was really good, not saying he wasn't. I don't wanna tie my franchise to really good

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Eagles were not as invested in Hurts as we are in Trey. That story still isn't written yet either. They might've known what they had and Hurts screwed them with a fluke season. He won't always have the best Oline and all those weapons, so we'll see how it goes for them

Going into year 3, anything less than "Trey is the starter" means he has not lived up to expectations. The last pick in the draft (with a f**ked up elbow) should not take his place if he's meeting expectations behind the scenes (we know he's not on the field). I'd have more hope if they didn't bring Darnold in, but that gives you an idea of where Trey is at. They did not load up with a bust because they might need him for a SB run lol. The plan is to trade Trey and have Sam as the backup

If I read you correct your post implies, Eagles 'knew what they had' in Hurts, and it wasn't good. They put him out there as QB1 anyway. He has a 'fluke' season screwing Philly all the way to the SB. Eagles, who again don't really believe him, pay him record money.

something about the above feels off, maybe all of it

They have no choice now. They have a loaded roster, they can't just let him go and say "sorry guys" to the rest of their players.

Last year was a fluke year in my mind and I think he screwed them long term. Easy schedule and even easier playoffs for them. They'll be contenders as long as they are loaded, but Hurts isn't all that and you could tell the Eagles know this. They got screwed though

He was an MVP candidate……

Wonder if TL will screw us next by setting NFL records and a trip to the SB

I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.

Cam Newton went to a SB and won an MVP. Would you tie your franchise to him? I wouldn't

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During the first 7 years of his career? I absolutely would have.

He was more intriguing than Hurts but with the hindsight of knowing he never developed into a passer he's an easy pass for me

So you think it's best to have the largest sample size possible before reaching any conclusions on how well or bad a player might be? I share that feeling.

I said with hindsight I can make the easy decision. In real time I would have kept rolling with him and probably got f**ked over

Unless I got lucky and ran into a Purdy/Trey type situation where his backup came in and played way better and saved me from him

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Eagles were not as invested in Hurts as we are in Trey. That story still isn't written yet either. They might've known what they had and Hurts screwed them with a fluke season. He won't always have the best Oline and all those weapons, so we'll see how it goes for them

Going into year 3, anything less than "Trey is the starter" means he has not lived up to expectations. The last pick in the draft (with a f**ked up elbow) should not take his place if he's meeting expectations behind the scenes (we know he's not on the field). I'd have more hope if they didn't bring Darnold in, but that gives you an idea of where Trey is at. They did not load up with a bust because they might need him for a SB run lol. The plan is to trade Trey and have Sam as the backup

If I read you correct your post implies, Eagles 'knew what they had' in Hurts, and it wasn't good. They put him out there as QB1 anyway. He has a 'fluke' season screwing Philly all the way to the SB. Eagles, who again don't really believe him, pay him record money.

something about the above feels off, maybe all of it

They have no choice now. They have a loaded roster, they can't just let him go and say "sorry guys" to the rest of their players.

Last year was a fluke year in my mind and I think he screwed them long term. Easy schedule and even easier playoffs for them. They'll be contenders as long as they are loaded, but Hurts isn't all that and you could tell the Eagles know this. They got screwed though

He was an MVP candidate……

Wonder if TL will screw us next by setting NFL records and a trip to the SB

I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.

Cam Newton went to a SB and won an MVP. Would you tie your franchise to him? I wouldn't

During the first 7 years of his career? I absolutely would have.

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He was more intriguing than Hurts but with the hindsight of knowing he never developed into a passer he's an easy pass for me

We have 1 4k passing season as a franchise in like 80 years. Newton checked that off the list, year 1. He had 35 TD passes his MVP season. Imagine TL throwing for 4k, and 35 pass TDs, and how thrilled we would be.. you may be underselling Newton here.

He was really good, not saying he wasn't. I don't wanna tie my franchise to really good

Fantasy: I don't want really good I want elite HOF the next Brady/Mahomes
Reality: Sam Darnold is taking QB1 reps

we are tied to three question marks

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Fantasy: I don't want really good I want elite HOF the next Brady/Mahomes
Reality: Sam Darnold is taking QB1 reps

we are tied to three question marks

Yep, finding one isn't easy. Had Brock finished the year healthy, our QB situation would look a lot more traditional.